cop punches lady in face... on camera, of course

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1287067/U-S-police-officer-filmed-punching-girl-17-face--crossing-road-properly.html

Believe it or not, I think he was justified in punching the woman. He should be sent back to the academy for taking two and a half minutes to arrest the original woman though. Seems an example of poor police skills contributing to what could have been a much worse incident.

JV · Posted: Jun 16, 2010 3:42 pm Post subject:

It's NEVER right to hit a women, and dude should have shown better anger management, and punishment is inevitable

.........buuuut I still laughed Laughing

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

I dunno on this one...

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Craig-R · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 19 Dec 2008 Posts: 1676

easiest rule in the book: don't push a police offer. seriously you are asking for trouble if you are treating a cop like that no matter who is right or wrong

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

Zach M · Posted: Jun 16, 2010 4:29 pm Post subject:

I can't see the video posted because they block youtube at work, but I saw the video on the local news here. I believe he was completely justified. If you look around, the officer is alone, surrounded by multiple people who are just standing around, but seem to be acquainted with the girl being arrested, and both are resisting and pushing him.

There is a former police chief who is an expert on use of police force (testified against cops in Rodney King beating) who said that he thought the officer used a lot of restraint and could have potentially used more force. When he addressed the videographer who was getting in his face with the camera, he did not show anger and continued to use "sir" when addressing him (correct police protocol).

While there are a lot of police abuses due to race, an officer should not be strung up for using correct police procedure just because the girl was black. The local police chief said he's actually glad there was video because it makes this an open/shut case. No questions asked that he was justified in his actions.

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

I am awaiting JT09's unbiased and rational opinion on this one.

Jester · Posted: Jun 16, 2010 4:45 pm Post subject:

While I generally disagree with hitting a woman, this is a situation where I don't feel bad for her. I still think a punch to the face was excessive, but admit I don't know what I would've done instead.

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

way I see it, there was no riot, the woman was not seriously injured.

But I don't know what the proper protocol for cops in this case is.

Sinkoumn · Posted: Jun 16, 2010 5:46 pm Post subject:

"mess with the bull (aka the cop in this case), you get the...

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bjeremi · Soul Rider Joined: 30 Jan 2006 Posts: 433 City: Owasso

"a case that echoes the rodney king beating" Seriously?

ridininmd · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Posts: 1231

wow that article was seriously awful, "The case echoes the case of Rodney King, whose brutal beating by police prompted the Los Angeles race riots in 1992." LOL seriously, a girl getting hit once and not even hard enough to knock her down is being compared to a guy who was nearly beat to death?

As far as the video, he seemed cautious to use force while he was outnumbered so greatly. It looks to me like he was trying hard to control the situation without escalating it. If anything he was too cautious and let it get too far out of control, you can see the crowd growing the whole time. I wonder if he was stalling for back up to arrive before taking action?

Bottom line, if you fight with a cop don't be surprised when you get hit, or zapped

Tbonez · Posted: Jun 16, 2010 7:49 pm Post subject:

If this was two guys fighting a cop and the cop hit one of them it probably wouldnt even make the news...Equal rights mean an equal butt whipping as well.

nmballa · Posted: Jun 16, 2010 8:11 pm Post subject:

You all do realize this was all over jaywalking. She should go to jail for resisting and he should loose his job for letting JAYWALKING escalte into that.

eich82 · Addict Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 860 City: MTP

If I understand correctly, he was attempting to stop a male (not either of these two girls) for jaywalking (which he may have just been planning on warning him or issuing him a citation who knows) and then these two ignorant hoodlums decided to get involved to the point where they began assaulting him and then resisting arrest. It's sickening to think that anyone could defend the actions of these two girls, and even worse to think that people are trying to spin this is being racially motivated. The journalist in this article and the other articles I've seen should be ashamed. They clearly have a motive and agenda in their writings.

Comparing this to the Rodney King incident??? Rolling Eyes

This happened not because of anyone's skin color but because two people who have no respect for authority and don't want to live by the laws that govern our society. Quite frankly they'll be lucky if they avoid jail time, although they probably will get off without anything and probably sue and get a settlement, justifying their actions and perpetuating this type of behavior.

eich82 · Addict Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 860 City: MTP

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lawdog2131 · Posted: Jun 16, 2010 9:53 pm Post subject:

Nooga678 · Posted: Jun 17, 2010 3:21 am Post subject:

I would think the police are trained in better techniques than punching someone in the face. You punch someone in the face you either hit them so hard you knock the down, or you really piss them off. I think the situtation warranted the use of force, but I don't see how punching someone in the face is the correct force. Of course the whole situations could be avoided if our society wasn't filled with so many victimless crimes laws that cops have to enforce.

lawdog2131, this is the perfect reason why people should be filming the cops. If the cop is doing his job correctly it will only help his case, if he is not, he should be exposed for the scum he is. Cameras are people's only defense against police. Once in the court, the system is stacked against you with the judge on the side of the police. Why would a cop, or anyone for that matter, that is doing their job honestly and corretly care if they are being filmed.

I like the guy asking the cop why he hit her with a closed fist, because we all know it is acceptable to hit girls with an open hand. You got to keep your pimp hand strong.

lawdog2131 · Posted: Jun 17, 2010 5:17 am Post subject:

J_DOGG · Posted: Jun 17, 2010 5:26 am Post subject:

This is what happens when people (young punks and women in general) who routinely do what ever the F they feel like doing run into a cop.

She is acting the same exact way anyone of the wakeboarder.com uppities would act when a cop comes into their world and tells them what to do - how to do it and threatens them with arrest if not done. like a spoiled brat! People have issues with authority heck I have issues with authority but knowing when to obey authority separates most of us from the thugs.

Their is a study out there I saw a few years ago that proved with out a doubt officers have more issues arresting woman than men..
Surprisingly the study found that woman do NOT like being told what to do and resort to violence much faster than males.

Punch to the face??? bit excessive IMO.. he has a radio - he has a team of cops on the streets - all he had to do was keep talking to them until back up showed up. easy for me to say I know but IMO he is the professional in the situation and needs to do a better job.

How many other people have those two girls run over in their lives to think they are going to run over a cop as well??
You think this is the first time for these girls? NO Fn way - I bet they do this on a daily basis to - parents - teachers and other kids.
They finally crossed paths with someone in a position to push back and run over them.
I like it when people who think they are tha stuff actually meet "tha stuff" - it's like their entire lives turn upside down.

My only question is where was his taser?????? LOL...

STPHNSN23 · Guest

j_dogg said what i wasn't going to take the time to say.

churchy · Posted: Jun 17, 2010 6:43 am Post subject:

They were talking about this on Ellis. Apparently there was a lot going on that couldn't be seen on the camera. A cop from there called in and said there were several other angry peeps around. Someone even said something along the lines of let's cut or stab him.

It sound like he was well within his rights to deck her. You don't want a beat down, then don't push a cop.

JV · Posted: Jun 17, 2010 6:45 am Post subject:

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GnarShredd · Posted: Jun 17, 2010 9:01 am Post subject:

Zach M · Posted: Jun 17, 2010 11:03 am Post subject:

*SHOCKER* This is not the first time this girl has gotten into trouble with the law for assaulting a police officer

ontrider · Ladies Man Joined: 30 Jul 2003 Posts: 16491 City: Russia

That's the other funny part, everyone comments how "oh, it's just jaywalking..." Yeah, it is... but we had the same problem at my school where cars would be going down the road 5 mins from the school @ 50mph and kids would be running across 4 lane traffic all day, realistically endangering themselves and drivers.

J_DOGG · Posted: Jun 17, 2010 11:31 am Post subject:

Apparently my analysis was spot on.

Wakeboarder3780 · Posted: Jun 18, 2010 6:53 pm Post subject:

IMO that sh*t was totally justified. If you push / shove / do anything physical to a cop, they should be able to respond with any amount of non lethal physical means to get them in cuffs (lethal if challenged with other lethal means). Grown adults should NOT be screwing around wrestling with cops. Obey the law and he wouldn't have had to use force on her. He needs to protect himself so anytime anyone starts getting physical they need to drop them fast. Calling for backup was probably already done - he needed to protect himself now, before that crap snowballed. They already had 2 people bishin and that dumb camera guy sounded like he had problems with it too.

If I were him I would have socked her in the face and then body slammed her a$$ to the pavement. That camera man was a total dipsh*t too constantly saying "are you serious". It IS right to hit a woman sometimes. I'm sure cops do it all the time and I'm totally OK with it. There is no one above the law and they need to be treated as such. You don't just get to run your mouth and get physical with a cop because you're a woman. Equal rights remember?

Obey the law and don't F with cops and they don't have to force you to behave. Same rules as when you were a kid. Apparently some adults still need to have "parents" (read 'cops') spank them when they're being bad.

The sickening part of that video (to me) were ALL the stupid people with arms outstretched taking video. Maybe if someone would have talked some sense during that entire video telling them to calm down and just stop resisting arrest it would have went more smoothly. I feel like the entire crowd egged on her response to continue resisting arrest.

Personally I would have wanted to hop in and drop her to the pavement. People seem to struggle a little less when their face is smashed on the concrete with a knee in their neck.

My $.02

Wakeboarder3780 · Posted: Jun 18, 2010 7:09 pm Post subject:

Wakeboarder3780 · Posted: Jun 18, 2010 7:21 pm Post subject:

Oh and I totally disagree with us not being able to tape record cops. We should be able to. I think it's a great thing. For me it lets me understand what they have to deal with every day and why they need to use force like this.

But when you see comments in response to this video basically saying the cop was in the wrong can you blame them for not wanting people to record? I still don't think it's right to not allow us to tape them, but I'm starting to understand at least *why* they're pushing for it...

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