Very Strict Boat Guidelines on my Lake

Butcher · Newbie Joined: 11 May 2010 Posts: 27 City: St. Louis

I am new to this site and am in need of help. I just moved into a community called Lake St. Louis in Missouri and I am ready to get more serious about wakeboarding. The link is below. Please review the list of approved boats and let me know which direction I should go in.

http://www.lslca.com/resources_managed.php?pageNum=16

Currently, I am presenting the community board with the info on a 2000 Sanger V210 to see if they will approve it, but I cannot find documentation that states the length of the boat 20'8" is from the bow-stern or bow-swim platform. Length requirements are 20'9". And is the hull approve by the awsa and usaws. Like I said before very strict guidelines. If they do not approve this boat I will be crushed but I need a full proof back up plan for a good wake boat. Budget around $15-20

vette74 · Posted: May 13, 2010 3:54 am Post subject:

http://www.sangerboats.com/boats-V210.html

Here you go.

Butcher · Newbie Joined: 11 May 2010 Posts: 27 City: St. Louis

I have looked at info and it doesn't specify which 2 point the length this calculated by. Is 20'8" from the front to back of boat body or from front to back of swim platform. I am not sure why it make a big difference but it is stated that no boat shall exceed 20'9" from front to back of swim platform. I have been trying to call a Sanger dealer as well as Sanger themselves but I have not had any luck yet. Thanks for the input.

vette74 · Posted: May 13, 2010 5:40 am Post subject:

I can measure my boat (Sanger v210) if you want would that help?

smokinheels10 · Outlaw Joined: 10 Apr 2010 Posts: 100

How big is the lake? The only reason I ask is because one of the guidelines is this: Boats with wedges or boats with water ballast tanks designed to increase wakes will not be allowed. Are they worried about larger wakes messing up the shore or docks or something?

dirtysparks · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 07 Jul 2004 Posts: 2428

Boat hulls are measured without removable swim platform. So your 20'8" is from bow to stern, no platform.

mala1967 · Outlaw Joined: 04 Aug 2009 Posts: 155 City: Pepper Pike

You are screwed I read the boat regulations the size is not the problem because they give a 12 inch variance but it says in the approved boats that

" Boats with wedges or boats with water ballast tanks designed to increase wakes will not be allowed."

vette74 · Posted: May 13, 2010 6:32 am Post subject:

Most Sangers in 2000 did not come with ballast. So get your boat inspected and load it up with lead it doesn't say anything about it.

mala1967 · Outlaw Joined: 04 Aug 2009 Posts: 155 City: Pepper Pike

LOL Great point.

Enygma · Soul Rider Joined: 26 Jul 2009 Posts: 356

not really, it says boats with ballast systems designed to increase the wake. It doesn't saying anything about water, sand bags or lead. I assume this means any means of increasing your wake are prohibited. The must be a HUGE private area and they fight for all these garbage rules, yet they probably also just run out to the middle of the lake, do a few big circles and head back in.

Butcher · Newbie Joined: 11 May 2010 Posts: 27 City: St. Louis

Lovin the feedback!! The Lake is 550 Acres and there are a guys I know who are riding behind runabouts loaded up with sacs. After the initial certification your goalen the water patrol never comes out except for major holidays when the lake is packed. Couple of old retired dudes. They recently have allowed 07 and newer Mastercraft x1 & Supra Lunch boats onto the lake, which are the same length as the Sanger but is the Sangers hull approved by the awsa?

Butcher · Newbie Joined: 11 May 2010 Posts: 27 City: St. Louis

vette please measure your boat thanks

Hollywood · Posted: May 13, 2010 8:44 am Post subject:

Here's the link but it's down. USA waterski sucks sometimes

http://www.usawaterski.org/pages/divisions/3event/ApprovedHistory83-09.pdf

Butcher · Newbie Joined: 11 May 2010 Posts: 27 City: St. Louis

I found out that the Sanger v210 is not approved by awsa or usaws or whatever they call themselves, which means that boat will not pass my lakes rules and I am going to break something.... On the brighter side I did find out they have included the 06-08 mastercraft X1 for approved boats. Now the X1 is out of my price range but from older posts I've read the X1 & 205V is the same hull. Is this info correct? If so They have to approve the 205V. I hear the 205V is a great wake boat. Looking at 2000 - 2002 looks like they hold there value some are pricey for there age.

brichter14 · Addict Joined: 27 Apr 2008 Posts: 705

Maybe you should just go to a lake thats not so lame.

kartman · Posted: May 13, 2010 7:07 pm Post subject:

brichter14, that is what i was thinking.

Butcher · Newbie Joined: 11 May 2010 Posts: 27 City: St. Louis

I was waiting to hear that from someone. I have a waterfront home so you understand my situation. To easy to walk 30 steps to my dock vs. towing and launching and exiting and towing. Another problem is that St. Louis does not have many large lakes. The only other option is the river & I am not a big river lover. Too many logs floating and gar. I wish there was a better Lake b/c I would be living on it. Brichter where is Lake Shelbyville? My parents live on Lake Sara in Effingham where I ride behind my brothers 08 X30. Shelbyville rings a bell are you close to Effingham?

Ralph · Posted: May 13, 2010 11:57 pm Post subject:

This is the correct link:
https://www.usawaterski.org/pages/divisions/3event/AWSAApprovedTowboatHistory83-10.pdf

Hollywood · Posted: May 14, 2010 4:48 am Post subject:

metalic_era · Criminal Joined: 05 Aug 2008 Posts: 80

Butcher I boat on Shelbyville also it is about 30 minutes North of Effingham. I work in Effingham and live 5 minutes away and I don't boat there it's small, dirty, and they made everyone install seawalls which looks nice but the waves just bounce off and come back rolling. i've only been on that lake a couple times and it's was rough. I mostly go to Shelbyville but we also go to Vandalia which is small but you can get some smooth water. Vandalia kinda has the same thing aslake St. Louis on rules. If you want to read something that makes no sense look them up. I looked at an older Supra last year in St. Louis and the owner had a new MC and was telling me about Lake St. Louis and the river was his only choice and he goes to Lake of the Ozarks because of it.

vette74 · Posted: May 14, 2010 5:40 am Post subject:

In that case I would get an SN 2001. Paint it neon pink and with green lettering put "LSLCA Change your stupid boat rules and I'll get a new boat" on the side.

brichter14 · Addict Joined: 27 Apr 2008 Posts: 705

Yah shelbyville is about 30 minutes northwest of effingham. Its great on the weekdays horrible on the weekends

Butcher · Newbie Joined: 11 May 2010 Posts: 27 City: St. Louis

Yes you are right about the water being rough on Lake Sara. My bro and I get up at the butt crack of daylight ride for a few hours and hit it again late afternoon. The weekdays are not bad though b/c 85% of the registered boaters are vacation home owners. The lake is primarliy a fishersman lake. I am a teacher and during the summers I will spend a week or so in the Ham and the water is calm all week till Friday afternoon. I will have to take a trip this summer up to Shelbyville it sounds great.

rc5695 · Criminal Joined: 08 Feb 2010 Posts: 94 City: Greenville

vette74, LOL!

Too bad about all these stupid rules... Good luck with it all.

Butcher · Newbie Joined: 11 May 2010 Posts: 27 City: St. Louis

Yes!! Great Idea but I am sure they would find a way to restrict the color. I am accually thinking of joining the Lakes and Parks Committee to change some of these rules. The rules were desinged by a bunch of old ball and are extemely outdated. O LD BALLS AND LOOSE SKIN!!!

metalic_era · Criminal Joined: 05 Aug 2008 Posts: 80

Let me know when your in town

Butcher · Newbie Joined: 11 May 2010 Posts: 27 City: St. Louis

Will do Metalic

Suprahunter · Soul Rider Joined: 28 Apr 2008 Posts: 486 City: Lowell

Get the boat you want and find a different lake. I wouldn't waste time on such a restrictive lake.

cloead · Newbie Joined: 04 Jul 2006 Posts: 27 City: cleveland

Butcher · Newbie Joined: 11 May 2010 Posts: 27 City: St. Louis

Living on the lake makes it hard to justify buying a boat I can't use on it. Also there are no other lake close enough to live on for my commute to work. I love people, but I hate neighbors. Living on the lake limits them

882001 · Posted: May 21, 2010 3:56 am Post subject:

a 2001 would fit the bill and be less than your budget 20'1' with platform

Butcher · Newbie Joined: 11 May 2010 Posts: 27 City: St. Louis

882001, a 2001 what? Mastercraft I'm quessing? Let me know Im interested

dirtysparks · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 07 Jul 2004 Posts: 2428

Ski Nautique 2001. They made them from 82-89. 2001 is the model name.

Butcher · Newbie Joined: 11 May 2010 Posts: 27 City: St. Louis

dirtysparks, I have seen those while searching. DD I think with the same hull as the san. Correct me if I'm wrong. I am going to research & see what I can find out.

b33nine · Soul Rider Joined: 04 Sep 2008 Posts: 311 City: Salem-ish

if they've approved X-1's are they approving other v-drives in the same class? Seems like a question you need to ask whoever is in charge. X-1's are longer than 20'1" to the best of my knowledge, so you might want to come up with a list of boats within your price range and take it to them to see what they would and would not approve.

If the X-1's are getting approval obviously there is some wiggle room in their rules and all it might take is asking whoever has the final say to get the boat you want approved.