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PostPosted: Apr 29, 2010 2:58 pm    Post subject: Did I get screwed or am I just confused? Reply with quote

Bullet Lines Spectra Core Wakeboard Rope and Handle

I bought this. I thought it was supposed to be 100% dyneema core and be a "non stretch rope". I tied this thing up to a tree and started tugging and it stretches more than the freaking $30 piece of sh*t I bought at Walmart.

Is there something I'm misunderstanding here? Or did I get screwed?

Thanks guys.
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PostPosted: Apr 29, 2010 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.bulletlines.com/spectra-core-wakeboard-mainline-p/275.htm

is the one you got? there gunna stretch some when you first get them but once they get stretched out a little then its fine it wont stretch anymore it just stretches some at first then there good..
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PostPosted: Apr 29, 2010 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We bought it from this guy off ebay.

Let me know if you cant view this. Check it out.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320516108352&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

It says Spectra Core in the description. And on the rope itself it has the little rubber gaurds that Say "Bullet Ski Lines" "Section Power Cord Mainline"

What ya think?
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PostPosted: Apr 29, 2010 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.bulletlines.com/Wakeboard-Core-Rope-p/2.htm

so its this one right? thats directly off of the bulletlines site...
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PostPosted: Apr 29, 2010 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes sir! That's the one. It just stretches a HELL of a lot compared to the $30 I got at Walmart. He did say in the description that he only used it a few times so you think the more I use it the more it will strech out and stay?
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PostPosted: Apr 29, 2010 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was always told they will stretch a little at first but once they get stretched out then there good to go.. i mean i dont think the bulletline company would lie about there product and say it doesnt stretch then it does.. only ones i know that actually stretch are ur poly e mainline tune ropes i mean i just bought the chamois package
http://www.boardstop.com/product_info.php?products_id=4359&ref=35 and as long as its a dyneema which it is u shud be good. but maybe someone else will give some input to..
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PostPosted: Apr 29, 2010 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say this so many times I think I might autohotkey this so I don't have to type it so often but I'm going to say it again because it gets me every time. Every time I see the phrase "no stretch" I freak out.

A "no-stretch" rope does not exist. Nor will it ever. Every element and compound in this world stretches - at least some. Even steel. The reason spectra / dyneema / any other UHMWPE are so great for wakeboarding applications is because they stretch a *very small amount*.

If you ever see a product and it says "no stretch" laugh at them, ridicule them, and if possible punch them in the face.

That being said, I have no idea what's going on with your line. Sounds like bridges heard that's normal for that line at first. I would also wait to hear other peoples responses first OR call the manufacturer (bullet lines) and simply inquire about it. They'll probably give you an answer 10x faster than anyone on this forum can.

Also it says the guy used that line for a season. If that's true you'd think it would be stretched out by now. Perhaps he accidentally sold you the tubing line Wink

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PostPosted: Apr 29, 2010 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

haha +1 for the punch em!

but true give them a call there located in texas... i called them the other day to talk to them about a package of rope and handle which i actually bought... but i sold it couple days ago.. but i had the black rope and black handle with cheater grip.. i really wanted the chamois handle so i just sold it and got it and im glad i did its SWEET! but im pretty sure its gunna be fine. just give them a call and let us know what they say about it, cuz id like to know also..
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PostPosted: Apr 29, 2010 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wakeboarder3780, what kind of rope and handle do you use?

I see that bridges got the Chamois handle, but I just thought I would see what you got. And I think I will give them a call tomorrow afternoon and i'll post back on here telling yall what they said.

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PostPosted: Apr 29, 2010 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wakeboarder3780, got a liquid force handle. not sure which one it was though.. he said something about it on a previous topic that i saw... u thinking about turning around and sellin that rope? and buyin a whole new package?
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PostPosted: Apr 29, 2010 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is my understanding with jacketed ropes:
Spectra core does not stretch (or very little, to avoid face punch)
Dyneema jacket does stretch.

When they produce the rope the core is slightly longer than the jacket. It takes a few rides to stretch the jacket to match the length of the core, once that is done then there is no more stretchy feeling and you have your non-stretch tow rope.

If they produced the core and jacket in the same length then the jacket would end up becoming baggy as the line ages.

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PostPosted: Apr 29, 2010 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bridges, I didnt plan on it, but I just may man because this rope is stretching a good bit, and i dont understand it... Maybe the guy only used it a couple of times, idk. Just it stretches alot..
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PostPosted: Apr 29, 2010 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

do u have a handle hooked up to it and the rope around the tree? u sure its not just slipping around the tree or something? i mean its gunna stretch some like wakeboarder said but i honestly think it will be ok. i bet you wont even notice it when riding other than it will be in ur head.. get on the lake and try it and if you dont like it turn around and sell it..

but if your just pullin on it buy hand it cud just be slipping a little threw ur hand making u think its stretching?
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PostPosted: Apr 30, 2010 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whunt11 wrote:
Wakeboarder3780, what kind of rope and handle do you use?


For the last 4 years I've been using a straight line eva grip handle. It isn't laced with spectra or anything - just the crappy rope, but I did some calculations on how much it would stretch and it was ridiculously low at that length so I don't care what a handle is laced with.

How do I feel about the handle? I thought it was alright. The grip is going to hell now and I need to buy another handle but then again I didn't pay a fortune for it and it lasted a good 3 or 4 seasons.

What did I buy just now? A LF plush handle with a LF 80ft spectra mainline. That purchase is quite the story and I'll be posting it up here in a few days so people can decide if they want to buy from the company I bought from.

I haven't rode this new handle or line yet, but I've been cautioned already by another forum go-er that the handles have snapped on him. I'm not doing ridiculous tricks so I doubt it will happen to me but I'll keep the receipt anyway in case LF asks for it (if you're up on posts here you'll know why I'm keeping the receipt).

Hope this helps, at a minimum I wouldn't get rid of the handle you've got, but perhaps buy a new mainline if you're really worried about it. What I would *not* do is I would *not* buy another mainline until you've ridden a good 10 long sets on that mainline. If the jackets is designed as aforementioned it will take a while to settle.

Do you have any huge friends? Get them wakeboarding. The pull on a 250 lb man who knows how to cuts is ridiculously tremendous.

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PostPosted: Apr 30, 2010 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol, now that you mention it I do have some huge friends, but the problem with that is they cant ever get up on it at all. Still though I'm 185 so I guess I'll just try it out for a month or so and if i dont like it I will try to buy another mainline.

Any suggestions on a REALLY nice mainline?
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PostPosted: Apr 30, 2010 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

accurate a-line (80 foot) accurte x-line(75 foot) nothing different about them other than 5 foot. there expensive though but I picked that chamois package up for 100 bucks even and the rope it's self is usually 80 bucks or so..
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PostPosted: Apr 30, 2010 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xlines are 70. the combo is 75 total. The LF plush combo is prolly one of the best buys on the market, same with the xline combo.

As for lf handles breaking, that was the old carbon ones when they were made by hardline. LF now owns straight line, and they make a darn good rope and handle

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PostPosted: Apr 30, 2010 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pretty sure x lines are more than 70 bucks. unless u find a good deal.. that chamois package goes for 119.00 usually but i can get you the same package i got for a 100 also.. you cant find the combo for less than 90-100

here is the xline..

http://www.evogear.com/ropes/accurate-70ft-x-line-cable-mainline-2008.aspx?utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_campaign=googlebase

here is a good accurate combo. its the chamois package with a line...
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-HYPERLITE-ACCURATE-CHAMOIS-HANDLE-A-LINE-/320524288383?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aa0bc817f
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PostPosted: Apr 30, 2010 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry I also forgot to specify earlier that I meant my HANDLE ONLY I don't care if it's strung with spectra / dyneema. I always ride a spectra or dyneema core mainline these days. (That calculation came out to be worth it) Wink
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