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By JULIET WILLIAMS (AP) – 17 minutes ago
SACRAMENTO, Calif. — A Republican state lawmaker from Southern California has resigned after he was caught on tape bragging about having sex with a female lobbyist and another woman.
Assemblyman Mike Duvall of Yorba Linda said Wednesday in a statement that his comments were inappropriate and have become "a major distraction" from the work lawmakers are trying to finish during the final week of their session.
Duvall says it would not be fair to his family, constituents or friends to remain in office.
The 54-year-old lawmaker, whose is married with two adult children, made the comments to another lawmaker during a break in a committee hearing at the Capitol over the summer.
THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — A Republican state lawmaker from Southern California was ousted Wednesday from two legislative committees after he was caught on tape bragging about having sex with female lobbyists.
Assemblyman Mike Duvall of Yorba Linda made the comments to another man during a break in a committee meeting at the Capitol over the summer, and they were caught on a microphone at his desk.
In a recording of the hearing broadcast by KCAL-TV in Los Angeles, the 54-year-old lawmaker talks about a recent sexual escapade with a woman he says is 18 years younger than him.
"I like spanking her," he is heard to say on the videotape. "She goes, 'I know you like spanking me.' I said, 'Yeah, that's cause you're such a bad girl.'"
He then brags about an affair he is having with another lobbyist.
Duvall apologized Wednesday for the comments on his campaign Web site.
"I made a mistake and I sincerely apologize," he said in the brief statement. "I deeply regret the comments I made in what I believed to be a private conversation. This is a private matter and I ask that everyone respect the privacy of all involved."
Duvall's spokeswoman, Carolyn Ginno, did not immediately respond to a call from The Associated Press.
Duvall, a father of two, received a 100 percent rating from Capitol Resource Institute, a conservative advocacy group, for his votes on legislation considered pro-family during the 2007-08 legislative session.
Assembly Speaker Karen Bass, D-Los Angeles, asked the Assembly Ethics Committee to investigate. She also removed Duvall from the Assembly Utilities and Commerce Committee, which considers utility regulations, and the Assembly Rules Committee.
"I am saddened and disappointed in the recent comments made by Assemblymember Mike Duvall," Bass said in a statement. "There is no question his comments were inappropriate."
Assembly Minority Leader Sam Blakeslee, R-San Luis Obispo, said he also asked Duvall to step down as a member of the Republican caucus leadership.
"The statements he made were inappropriate and unacceptable," Blakeslee said.
Duvall was elected in 2006 to represent an Orange County district that includes Fullerton, Anaheim, Placentia, Orange, Brea and Yorba Linda. Before that, he served six years on the Yorba Linda City Council.
He also owns an insurance agency.
The lawmaker was vice chairman of the utilities committee, which had been considering one of the more hotly contested bills in the current legislative session. The bill, which is still be debated, would require utilities to generate 33 percent of their power from renewable sources by 2020.
Many utilities oppose it.
On July 6, Duvall was one of five Republicans to vote against the legislation, which is sponsored by Sen. Joe Simitian, D-Palo Alto.
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Blue22V, yes it would be.
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What part of this do you find ironic?
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So had he not been Conservative and promoted family values, you wouldn't find it ironic?
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| Okie Boarder wrote: | | So had he not been Conservative and promoted family values, you wouldn't find it ironic? |
Certainly not as ironic. When those who promote a particular principal are found to be caught behaving in a manner directly contrantrary to those principals it is quite funny.
Particularly in the arena of "family values".
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Okie Boarder, pretty much what JR said. The hypocrisy is staggering.
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I thought the ironic part was that he was doing it with a woman and not living out repressed homosexual tendencies.
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Yup, it's tough to believe in a certain set of principles and publicly "disobey" the very principles you stood for. Mistakes aren't easily forgotten. It's much easier to live by lower principles or not stand up for any at all in today's day and age. It's hard to look like a hypocrite when you change with the wind.
I guess it's probably better for conservatives to start adopting less "firm" beliefs and start living by ideals that they can allow to ebb and flow with the rest of society. I mean, as long as it isn't hurting anyone, why should there be such rigid ideals and beliefs, right?
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| Okie Boarder wrote: | Yup, it's tough to believe in a certain set of principles and publicly "disobey" the very principles you stood for. Mistakes aren't easily forgotten. It's much easier to live by lower principles or not stand up for any at all in today's day and age. It's hard to look like a hypocrite when you change with the wind.
I guess it's probably better for conservatives to start adopting less "firm" beliefs and start living by ideals that they can allow to ebb and flow with the rest of society. I mean, as long as it isn't hurting anyone, why should there be such rigid ideals and beliefs, right?
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So many LULZ in this post. It's epic.
So as long as I have a "stance" on an issue I'm free to do whatever I want and still be good? So long as I'm a conservative right? You take partisanship to a whole new level sometimes Okie.
Really? By denying that this situation is ironic, you are making the claim that you expect all your politicians to be total hypocrites and be cheating on their wives and mistresses even when they stress family values. Which is fair enough, but if you believe that then I don't get your whole lame attempt to justify his actions.
| Quote: | | I mean, as long as it isn't hurting anyone, why should there be such rigid ideals and beliefs, right? |
That sir, is the essence of classical liberalism. Should the government be ramming it's ideals down my throat? So you think the government can do nothing right, as refrenced by your posting history, but they should be telling us how to live?
What specific issues do you have in mind that "ebb and flow?" You're absolutely out of your mind if you don't think both partys are equally "guilty" of this.
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| Posted: Sep 09, 2009 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| DRAGON88 wrote: | | So many LULZ in this post. It's epic. |
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DRAGON88, I think you are totally missing my points.
I'm not being partisan or saying that a person can make a stance and then just do whatever they want without any critisism. On the other hand, who or we to criticize, but that's a whole other argument.
Let me ask this question...
Was this same sort of thread on this forum when Bill Clinton violated his "family values"? What about John Edwards?
I think that every person in the spotlight is likely to have issues in their lives that they will make mistakes about. Why is it that we slam so hard on a conservative but not a liberal? Is it because conservatives take a stronger stance on "family values" but liberals just try to play the game and put up a image like they believe in those ideals, so we don't hold them accountable? Or, do you hold them accountable equally? Again, I go back to my first couple questions. Can you show me a thread on here that persecuted Clinton or Edwards? If so, I'll retract what I said.
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That sir, is the essence of classical liberalism. Should the government be ramming it's ideals down my throat? So you think the government can do nothing right, as refrenced by your posting history, but they should be telling us how to live?
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No, I don't think the government should ram ideals down our throat or tell us how to live. I don't think the people should either. So if a leader stand by a certain ideal or supports it and makes a mistake, should he be ridiculed? Is that what YOU believe?
I personally, do not. When Clinton comitted adultery and the conservatives made a big deal about it, my stance was "Who cares". "He made a bad decision...let's move on". I feel the same about this situation. But, this thread tries to make a spectacle of that. Did the author of this thread make the same sort of spectacle about Clinton? If no, why not?
Oh, and don't call me sir...makes me feel old 
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What specific issues do you have in mind that "ebb and flow?" You're absolutely out of your mind if you don't think both partys are equally "guilty" of this.
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I agree with your point on this. I believe it happens on both sides. The problem I have is attacking one side and not the other. Many on the conservative side strongly state their views and beliefs. Some of them "violate" them. On the liberal side, I do notice they are much more vague, and it seems that way by design. Why not stand strongly for something and not waver? That is what I mean by "ebb and flow". When a person proclaims very vague principles and beliefs, it is easier to adjust to a change and not be caught "violating" the beliefs. That's my point there.
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Okie Boarder, was this forum even here when Clinton did his thang??
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This is GD ridiculous. Who the hell cares if he's banging and spanking another lobyinst? What the hell is wrong with us as a society... ridiculous.
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Can you show me a thread on here that persecuted Clinton or Edwards? If so, I'll retract what I said.
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Dude, come on. If a friend of yours was constantly on your ass about how you shouldn't be smoking, and then you caught him smoking, wouldn't that be "ironic," moreso than if you caught a friend with a cig who didn't always preach about not smoking?
Either way, this guy should not resign over this. And people shouldn't even care.
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cameraboy, that is basically my point. Why does this even matter? Why should the guy resign? And why is it "Delicious" irony?
I agree it is a bit ironic and shows the guy didn't live up to his own expectations...he isn't perfect. Just like every other person on this planet.
The "Delicious" part of this indicates someone taking pleasure in the guy making a mistake.
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| Okie Boarder wrote: | cameraboy, that is basically my point. Why does this even matter? Why should the guy resign? And why is it "Delicious" irony?
I agree it is a bit ironic and shows the guy didn't live up to his own expectations...he isn't perfect. Just like every other person on this planet.
The "Delicious" part of this indicates someone taking pleasure in the guy making a mistake. |
Why is this delicious?
Because the hypocritical MF'er just got a 100% score for his votes to "protect and preserve family values".
Or did you conveniently miss that sh*t? That is tasty tasty tasty stuff.
I always think of banging lobbyists when I think of "protect and preserving family values".
The guy SHOULD resign because he was f*cking a lobbyist that represents the industry which the committee he vice-chairs has oversight. That's why!
This isn't just some rep having an affair with a random barskank.
PS: for bonus points, he is now being investigated by the ethics committee and depending on how far they want to take it, he might have the AG up his ass.
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Okie Boarder, was this forum even here when Clinton did his thang??
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I am fairly certain this clown hasn't perjured himself.
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chavez, that is what I was getting at early in this thread. It's a "crime against humanity" that this guy was banging this gal because he has stood for certain values. However, a guy like Clinton or Edwards we just want to sweep under the rug?
I'll agree with you that what he did violates certain ethics and would warrant an investigation. Of course, Clinton's perjury violated certain ethics, too, but I guess those that don't stand up and support certain values and principles have no need to adhere to any, right?
I don't remember for sure, but when we debated about beliefs, etc., weren't you one of the guys that kind of aligned yourself with the idea of doing what you want as long as it doesn't hurt someone else and just being generally nice and neighborly, rather than being rigid and judgmental like us Christian dudes?
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The guy SHOULD resign because he was f*cking a lobbyist that represents the industry which the committee he vice-chairs has oversight. That's why!
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Oh yea. good point. Any sort of relationship would be inappropriate.
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However, a guy like Clinton or Edwards we just want to sweep under the rug?
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come on oakie.. clinton never pretended to be the model traditional husband and he didn't make family values morality a part of his platform. It's like being told by your neighbor that he's better than you becasue he has a nicer car, then finding otu that he stole that car.
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come on oakie.. clinton never pretended to be the model traditional husband and he didn't make family values morality a part of his platform. It's like being told by your neighbor that he's better than you becasue he has a nicer car, then finding otu that he stole that car.
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cameraboy, that's what I was saying earlier in the post. A person that stands up for certain values get's crucified in the public eye if they make this kind of mistake. A person that doesn't hold those same values isn't looked down upon in the same way.
What does that teach us as a society?
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That you should model you life after the values that you preach?
Or do you not see anything wrong with priests touching little boys either?
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| edrex wrote: | That you should model you life after the values that you preach?
Or do you not see anything wrong with priests touching little boys either? |
So, that's what you take from it?
Do you also feel that people are not allowed to make mistakes? We should "crucify" them for making a mistake?
So what would you think if I decided not to preach any values? Are you fine with me doing whatever I want and not look down on me because of it. IOW, if this guy was like Clinton, would we even be having this conversation?
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Clinton didn't vote to define traditional marriage. Takes a lot of balls to tell others they don't fit into your definition of a term, and then not fit into that definition yourself.
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| Okie Boarder wrote: | | I don't remember for sure, but when we debated about beliefs, etc., weren't you one of the guys that kind of aligned yourself with the idea of doing what you want as long as it doesn't hurt someone else and just being generally nice and neighborly, rather than being rigid and judgmental like us Christian dudes? |
Yes I am one of those guys.
The problem is this MF'er is making votes on how I and every Californian may live our lives. He can do what he wants in his bedroom, so long as it doesn't affect the citizenry he serves.
Too bad he didn't **** a barskank. (Well, he may have in one of his other escapades, dunno) If he just did that he would only be another "conservative" hypocrite.
However, in his case, he crossed not only ethical boundaries, but possibly serious legal ones. It's FAIL on so many levels.
As for your last post - if you are going to look down your nose at how others live their private lives, you better be damn sure your house isn't made out of glass before you start throwing those stones...
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cameraboy, that's what I was saying earlier in the post. A person that stands up for certain values get's crucified in the public eye if they make this kind of mistake. A person that doesn't hold those same values isn't looked down upon in the same way.
What does that teach us as a society?
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That you should model you life after the values that you preach?
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Or that you should STFU about stuff that you don't have any reason to comment on.. "FAMILY VALUES" is bullsiht that the gov't has no business in. Govern, don't tell me how to f'ing form my morals. And then if you DO tell me what morals to have, don't be a hypocrit and break those morals that you want to impose on me.
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This story is the bacon of irony.
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| Okie Boarder wrote: | | Do you also feel that people are not allowed to make mistakes? We should "crucify" them for making a mistake? |
People who put themselves in the public spotlight, and have made a career out of defining how others should live their lives but don't follow the same standards that they try to impose on others should be (and are) "crucified" in that same spotlight.
Its funny that you insist on using the term "crucify" as if likening this guy to Jesus. If Jesus had hypocritically lived a double life outside the boundries of the morals that he preached, do you think the Bible would carry the same kind of weight that it does today? The "do as I say, not as I do" mentality never works out for elected officials and figures of authority.
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Jesus didn't preach any morals though, besides loving everyone. I don't remember jesus saying much about morality at all, to be honest with you. Maybe it's just that I forgot today, after 12 years of catholic school... wasn't it pretty much paul and others after claiming to speak in jesus' name that did all the moralizing??
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cameraboy, its been a while for me too, but wouldn't loving thy neighbor be considered part of morality? He definately did his share to expose and denounce hypocracy also.
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cameraboy, its been a while for me too, but wouldn't loving thy neighbor be considered part of morality?
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Love they neighbor is pretty much the only rule. To me, jesus saying that overrides everything that paul and those other clowns had to say after the fact. tha'ts just me though.
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As for your last post - if you are going to look down your nose at how others live their private lives, you better be damn sure your house isn't made out of glass before you start throwing those stones...
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I agree. This seems to be the tone of this thread, the way I took it. Are you meaning HE shouldn't be that way?
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The problem is this MF'er is making votes on how I and every Californian may live our lives. He can do what he wants in his bedroom, so long as it doesn't affect the citizenry he serves.
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So put yourself on the other side of the spectrum for a minute. If you were a conservative and a liberal was pushing to pass laws to allow something or vote on something that affects how you live and what you believe, would you feel the same way?
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However, in his case, he crossed not only ethical boundaries, but possibly serious legal ones. It's FAIL on so many levels.
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Would you feel this way about any politician that crossed ethical and/ or legal boundaries...not just getting caught banging some random broad?
edrex, just a coincidence I chose that word. I wasn't trying to make that kind of correlation.
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| Okie Boarder wrote: |
I agree. This seems to be the tone of this thread, the way I took it. Are you meaning HE shouldn't be that way?
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Yes. Him and him only here.
| Quote: | | So put yourself on the other side of the spectrum for a minute. If you were a conservative and a liberal was pushing to pass laws to allow something or vote on something that affects how you live and what you believe, would you feel the same way? |
First off, I am a conservative and a liberal and a moderate, depends on the issue.
Secondly, I don't care how others live or what they believe. So long as the basic tenets of law are maintained I dun care. I am not here to tell anyone else how to live their life.
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Would you feel this way about any politician that crossed ethical and/ or legal boundaries...not just getting caught banging some random broad? |
Most likely yes. Depends on the act - whether it was nefarious or unintentional/accidental.
In this case, dude was outside the lines of not only his marriage, but his office, his party, and his votes. And he did it intentionally, and according to reports, repeatedly, and with more than 1 partner.
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| Blue22V wrote: | | Chavez - Isn't this Bethany's Assemblyman? |
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| chavez wrote: | | Okie Boarder wrote: |
Would you feel this way about any politician that crossed ethical and/ or legal boundaries...not just getting caught banging some random broad? |
Most likely yes. Depends on the act - whether it was nefarious or unintentional/accidental.
In this case, dude was outside the lines of not only his marriage, but his office, his party, and his votes. And he did it intentionally, and according to reports, repeatedly, and with more than 1 partner. |
Interesting. I may have misinterpeted the tone of your original post and thread title.
So, did you have the same problem with Clinton as you do with this guy?
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