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WilsonH Soul Rider

Joined: 02 Jul 2009 Posts: 376 City: Big Bear Lake
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Posted: Aug 21, 2009 9:58 pm Post subject: Physics of wakeboarding |
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I'm not really sure if this threads been made before, so if it has I'm sorry.
I was thinking about the physics behind wakeboarding (Newton's laws especially) and I think a deeper understanding of physics, which is essentially the way the world works, can definatly help you progress faster and build good habits. The most obvious one is definatly Newton's 3rd law, For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, the main example being the leaning back with your knees bent in the seated position to "load the line". I feel my knowlege of physics (which isn't a whole lot) helped me better my progressive edge, which in turn, helped my wake jumps drasticly.
By no means am I a qualified phisicist, but I love physics for sure. The point of this thread was to see if anyone else with greater knowlege of physics can help me get a new perspective on some things in the water. I'd like to know more about the physics of inverts/spins on and off axis. Anyone got anything for me?  |
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latergutgert Criminal

Joined: 24 Jul 2009 Posts: 54 City: ORL
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Posted: Aug 22, 2009 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Physics taught me that if you want to be good at wakeboarding you need an x-star |
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holdsworth PityDaFool Who Posts This Much

Joined: 01 May 2003 Posts: 5333 City: Knoxville
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Posted: Aug 22, 2009 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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latergutgert, if there was a "Like" option I would've clicked it.  |
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STANG KILLA SS Wakeboarder.Commie


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Posted: Aug 22, 2009 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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hahaha laterqutgert. that s fkn sig material. halarious!!!!!  _________________
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Medina Wakeboarder.Commie


Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 1269 City: Netherlands
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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 12:07 am Post subject: |
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Whats an xstar???  _________________
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NKCrider Wakeboarder.com Freak


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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 5:51 am Post subject: |
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Medina, only the worlds most amazing wakeboat to date
get off the cable already....  _________________ Lanexa VA |
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Medina Wakeboarder.Commie


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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 6:57 am Post subject: |
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I feel so leftoutside alone  _________________
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WilsonH Soul Rider

Joined: 02 Jul 2009 Posts: 376 City: Big Bear Lake
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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 10:24 am Post subject: |
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Leave it to Medina to not know what an xstar is.  |
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Blindside_137 Wakeboarder.com Freak


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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 10:30 am Post subject: |
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haha i thought he was being sarcastic..  _________________ Wake Forest University |
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Medina Wakeboarder.Commie


Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 1269 City: Netherlands
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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 10:59 am Post subject: |
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No, i am actually serieus Anyway, a boat it is...
Well, boats are expensive, how much does the x star cost, like $50 000? For that i can take yearcards at 5 different cableparks for 20 years... _________________
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NKCrider Wakeboarder.com Freak


Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 2644 City: NKC
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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| Medina wrote: | No, i am actually serieus Anyway, a boat it is...
Well, boats are expensive, how much does the x star cost, like $50 000? |
nah, they are like 20K now... _________________ Lanexa VA |
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Rhawn Wakeboarder.com Freak


Joined: 14 Jun 2006 Posts: 3127 City: Richmond, V to the Izzay
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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| NKCrider wrote: | | Medina wrote: | No, i am actually serieus Anyway, a boat it is...
Well, boats are expensive, how much does the x star cost, like $50 000? |
nah, they are like 120K now... |
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NKCrider Wakeboarder.com Freak


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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Rhawn, maybe for that twin engine Mastercraft. have you seen that thing, its an x-100 i think _________________ Lanexa VA |
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WilsonH Soul Rider

Joined: 02 Jul 2009 Posts: 376 City: Big Bear Lake
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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| NKCrider wrote: | | Rhawn, maybe for that twin engine Mastercraft. have you seen that thing, its an x-100 i think |
Yeah that things way cool haha. |
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_bruky Wakeboarder.Commie

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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| NKCrider wrote: | | Rhawn, maybe for that twin engine Mastercraft. have you seen that thing, its an x-100 i think |
Are you serious?
X-80's (not x-100) have a base MSRP around $130,000. Of course their 'options' are things like kitchen appliances and whatnot.
Loaded X-Stars have MSRP's into the 100k's, likewise with X-45s.
Don't know why I felt like ensuring you knew this was important, but now you know  |
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NKCrider Wakeboarder.com Freak


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Posted: Aug 24, 2009 6:58 am Post subject: |
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_bruky, yeah its the x80. they are twin engine, 100gal fuel tank, yacht certified, guages are on an LCD display and a bunch of other crap _________________ Lanexa VA |
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WilsonH Soul Rider

Joined: 02 Jul 2009 Posts: 376 City: Big Bear Lake
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Posted: Aug 24, 2009 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks everyone for the great information... can somebody change the name of the thread to boat pricing? Thanks  |
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NKCrider Wakeboarder.com Freak


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Posted: Aug 25, 2009 7:01 am Post subject: |
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WilsonH, i dont think anyone here is a phicisist thats why it went offtopic. but like you i find it interesting.. i only have about the same knowledge as you in terms of the line and newtons laws _________________ Lanexa VA |
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_bruky Wakeboarder.Commie

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Posted: Aug 25, 2009 8:02 am Post subject: |
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Okay, physics!
Speaking only of the three laws, I believe your example falls into all three categories.
Being pulled by a boat is an external force therefore when you edge there is a change in linear momentum and one's particular placement will consistently be changing in comparison to its arbitrary reference point undergoing force in the opposite direction. 1, 2 and 3!
Due to the application and the broad categorization of the laws, I would dare to say due to the application it would be difficult to narrow any movement while being pulled behind a boat to a single law.
I was positive someone would have posted Olivia Newton John by now. |
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Medina Wakeboarder.Commie


Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 1269 City: Netherlands
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Posted: Aug 25, 2009 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| _bruky wrote: |
Okay, physics!
Speaking only of the three laws, I believe your example falls into all three categories.
Being pulled by a boat is an external force therefore when you edge there is a change in linear momentum and one's particular placement will consistently be changing in comparison to its arbitrary reference point undergoing force in the opposite direction. 1, 2 and 3!
Due to the application and the broad categorization of the laws, I would dare to say due to the application it would be difficult to narrow any movement while being pulled behind a boat to a single law.
I was positive someone would have posted Olivia Newton John by now. |
I Dont think anyone understands this  _________________
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WilsonH Soul Rider

Joined: 02 Jul 2009 Posts: 376 City: Big Bear Lake
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Posted: Aug 25, 2009 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| _bruky wrote: |
Okay, physics!
Speaking only of the three laws, I believe your example falls into all three categories.
Being pulled by a boat is an external force therefore when you edge there is a change in linear momentum and one's particular placement will consistently be changing in comparison to its arbitrary reference point undergoing force in the opposite direction. 1, 2 and 3!
Due to the application and the broad categorization of the laws, I would dare to say due to the application it would be difficult to narrow any movement while being pulled behind a boat to a single law.
I was positive someone would have posted Olivia Newton John by now. |
There we go!
You're definatly right about the 3 laws.. I'm guessing my search for an expert to explain spins and inverts is probably a little hopeless . Worth a try. |
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_bruky Wakeboarder.Commie

Joined: 24 May 2009 Posts: 1201
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Posted: Aug 25, 2009 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Medina wrote: | | _bruky wrote: |
Okay, physics!
Speaking only of the three laws, I believe your example falls into all three categories.
Being pulled by a boat is an external force therefore when you edge there is a change in linear momentum and one's particular placement will consistently be changing in comparison to its arbitrary reference point undergoing force in the opposite direction. 1, 2 and 3!
Due to the application and the broad categorization of the laws, I would dare to say due to the application it would be difficult to narrow any movement while being pulled behind a boat to a single law.
I was positive someone would have posted Olivia Newton John by now. |
I Dont think anyone understands this  |
I'm just talking out my @$$ anyways
f=d(mv)/dt would be Wilson's starting point. Time, velocity vector, mass and force vector are his variables. Point A to point B, your initial point and terminal point, yada yada yada. |
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JeffreyCH Wakeboarder.Commie


Joined: 11 Aug 2008 Posts: 2205 City: Lincoln
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Posted: Aug 25, 2009 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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X (beers)=>fun\<pain+gummyworms All you need for wake physics.....period!!!! _________________
| _bruky wrote: | | 99 problems but wisdom ain't one. |
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toothpick Wakeboarder.Commie


Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 1218 City: Clermont
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Posted: Aug 26, 2009 4:13 am Post subject: |
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WilsonH, you would love Kyle Schmidt's classroom session here at The Wakeboard Camp. He focuses on the physics behind getting bigger air and working with the boat, rope, water, and board to get all you can out of riding. It all becomes so much clearer after hearing and seeing it all laid out.
We have a lot of things going for us that other board sports don't have. Our ramp (the wake) isn't a solid object, we can take advantage of that. There is a lot you can do with a little bit of leverage, like the progressive edge you mentioned.
Anyway, it's good stuff. Also, Kyle gets on Stokemeter.com once a month, and you can get a bit of a taste of how he instructs on those. Rock n roll! |
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NKCrider Wakeboarder.com Freak


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Posted: Aug 26, 2009 7:10 am Post subject: |
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JeffreyCH, gummyworms ftmfw  _________________ Lanexa VA |
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WilsonH Soul Rider

Joined: 02 Jul 2009 Posts: 376 City: Big Bear Lake
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Posted: Aug 26, 2009 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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toothpick, get Kyle to post here . |
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Christobull Addict

Joined: 29 Jun 2009 Posts: 898 City: Tulsa
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Posted: Aug 26, 2009 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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JeffreyCH, I'm so glad someone has finally applied gummy worms to physics. I knew it wasn't coincidence that I landed a new trick that day my friend brought them out on the boat.
... and, I didn't even have an X-star. _________________
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