tips or pointers - vid of my riding :D

Wakeboarder3780

The beginning is mostly 180 practice and a few HS w2w. The entire end section is 360 practice. I was purposely going slow on those - about 19-20 instead of 23mph. I've heard thats a good way to learn them. Unfortunately I still hurt myself..

Anyways if you see anything I could be changing let me know. Anything from line length to wake shape to technique.
http://vimeo.com/5689751

pet575 · Posted: Jul 21, 2009 7:58 am Post subject:

I understand why you're slowing down a little, but it looks like it is really affecting your wake shape and is making it foam quite a bit.

Also, I'm confused-are you trying to do 1-wake 360's? If you're trying to do them w2w, you've got to go back to edging hard and getting the w2w pop and THEN starting rotation. You look like you're focused so much on trying to spin the 3 that you are forgetting to get your w2w pop first.

Christobull · Addict Joined: 29 Jun 2009 Posts: 898 City: Tulsa

I don't understand why you're slowing down. Could someone shed some light on that?

From my amateur perspective, it looks like you're missing the handle more often than you're getting it. Have you worked on your BS 180s? And as far as the 1-wake 3, I know it's more than doable, but I would think you should put more rope out to spread the wakes apart so you can still get a good wake jump with more air time. Looks to me like you could do this at a third of the speed with your normal w2w.

BTW, nice powerslides.

Wakeboarder3780 · Posted: Jul 21, 2009 9:45 am Post subject:

The only reason i was slowing down is because it was listed in the progression ladder for doing the 360 on learnwake. I agree that it is affecting the wake shape and making it bubble over. I don't know if there is much I can do there - right now I want to try to get handle passes consistently before speeding up (then again I think if I speed up and get more air, I'll get the handle more often).

The only reason I'm trying them one wake is this was listed in the progression ladder on learnwake as well (to try them 1 wake before doing w2w). I think my best option is the suggested longer line coupled with the faster speed to clean up the wake. That will give me lots of flat landing area with a peaky wake. Hopefully 3mph doesn't make the falls worse Wink

Also,

JeffreyCH · Posted: Jul 21, 2009 9:50 am Post subject:

The main thing I noticed is that you are raising the handle up in your jumps to get rid of the slack. You should get into the habit of keeping it low and pulling down to get the slack out.

Wakeboarder3780 · Posted: Jul 21, 2009 9:56 am Post subject:

Forgot to put these in:

Wakeboarder3780 · Posted: Jul 21, 2009 9:57 am Post subject:

Christobull · Addict Joined: 29 Jun 2009 Posts: 898 City: Tulsa

Wakeboarder3780, sorry, I could have explained that better. You already touched on it yourself. Giving yourself more time in the air would let you slow the rotation and the handle pass down, so you don't have to rush it. Then you have time to make sure you pop, set your axis, and then spin. Bend over more in the cuffed position when you're making the pass, and you won't have to pull so hard to get the line tension down. Looks like your first pull is more of a jerk and that might be why you're off axis on some of them.

I need to register at learnwake. I have that free trial that's just taking up space on my coffee table at the moment.

You'll get it, I think you're on the right track, and you're far more persistent than I am on a new trick, so I doubt it will take you long.

Wakeboarder3780 · Posted: Jul 21, 2009 10:45 am Post subject:

An aside: does anyone know why I would have put so much strain on my knee on that last "fall". I'll admit the camera man definitely should have taken more video because it looks like I'm going to ride away with it, but I definitely didn't.

It felt like my nose dipped under and there was just a lot of force on the nose of the board, but the video doesn't show the board going under at all.

In retrospect having the attitude of "the next time I get the handle I'm hanging on no matter what" was not the proper attitude to have for landing a new trick. If it doesn't feel right it's for a reason.

kent2010 · Soul Rider Joined: 14 Jun 2008 Posts: 281 City: Needles

Christobull · Addict Joined: 29 Jun 2009 Posts: 898 City: Tulsa

Prizzy · Soul Rider Joined: 06 Jun 2008 Posts: 360 City: Milwaukee

dude it just seems like that if you speed up a lil and just took them w2w youycould get it easier cause it wont be so rushed... and about that letting go if it doesnt feel right, in my expierance that is no a good attitude. i try to hold on as along as possible if only to stay out of the frigid wisconsin waters after a long downpour a little longer.

Wakeboarder3780 · Posted: Jul 22, 2009 4:38 am Post subject:

Wakeboarder3780 · Posted: Jul 22, 2009 4:40 am Post subject:

JeffreyCH · Posted: Jul 22, 2009 5:12 am Post subject:

After watching the book, I realized that rope control is essential. You go the opposite way you pull on the rope, so if you pull up, you go down, so really focus on that.

Prizzy · Soul Rider Joined: 06 Jun 2008 Posts: 360 City: Milwaukee

Wakeboarder3780, i understand you but this past season i really have just started to really try to progress and im planning on putting up a vid later this afternoon for comments also but i just feel it is easier to learn new stuff when you have as much air time as possible....

Christobull · Addict Joined: 29 Jun 2009 Posts: 898 City: Tulsa

Yeah, I very much understand the injury thing, but I have to agree with Prizzy. Giving yourself a better opportunity to ride away even though you might have some hard crashes along the way outweighs repeated bails at slower speeds in my mind. Not making getting the rotation around is increasing the possibility of catching a lead edge, where a full rotation would have you landing correctly. It's entirely up to you, but I would say that now that you've had several attempts at it to get a feel for the trick, it's probably time to take it full speed and see what happens.

jctwake · Newbie Joined: 11 May 2009 Posts: 46 City: Leawood

Wakeboarder3780, The way I learned my 360s is:

surface 360
ollie 180 surface 180
ollie 270 surface 90
ollie 360
360 off another boat's wake
360 1 wake
360 w2w

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

On you're toeside, you're not using your edge to cut into the wake. Get that thing on edge and get used to hitting it at a higher speed.

On your heelside jumps you're not extending all the way. You're knees are still bent at the top of the wake.

On the 360, the spin should be initiated with the handle. Make sure to pull it hard to your lower back. An ollie 3 might be easier than the one wake you're trying there. When you lean back on the wake it generates more line tension. Currently you're not in the air long enough to balance that tension before you spin. It's why the handle is so hard to get. If you did a normal wake jump - wake for the peak of the jump and then pull the handle it comes around a lot easier. You can't do that if you're trying them 1 wake though - not enough hang time.