hs backroll

kriggs · Posted: Jun 24, 2009 12:39 pm Post subject: hs backroll

cut fairly hard out. get the full rotation but land on my heelside edge and fall back. I don't know if it's over rotating or balance..

kent2010 · Soul Rider Joined: 14 Jun 2008 Posts: 281 City: Needles

try leting go with your back hand about half way through the flip.

kriggs · Posted: Jun 24, 2009 7:38 pm Post subject:

giving it a shot tomorrow ill let you know.

GnarShredd · Posted: Jun 25, 2009 7:28 am Post subject:

kriggs, How are you landing? It's hard to tell from just a description but depending on how hard or soft you absorb the landing, that might be causing you to slip out (handle placement too, that could be another major factor).

Another thing that may help is to picture yourself as a pendulum behind the boat. As soon as you land just follow your momentum and set your heelside edge out like you are going to set up for a toeside jump.

kriggs · Posted: Jul 06, 2009 3:27 pm Post subject:

Now when I am landing the trick, and just keep rotating and slide out..
I've been spotting my landing, letting go with my back hand. I just don't know what else I can do.

kent2010 · Soul Rider Joined: 14 Jun 2008 Posts: 281 City: Needles

a video would help a lot. but it sounds like ur just over rotating, when you come around and spot your landing if you feel like you are going to over rotate move the handle away from your body and it should slow down your ratation.

also, where are you landing, in the hole or the down side of the second wake? its a lot harder to land tricks if you are slaming down in the. So if thats the case take a little easier cut into the wake, or go a little slower and that will make the wake a little wider.

kriggs · Posted: Jul 06, 2009 7:32 pm Post subject:

I'm landing in the down side of the wake and it just seems like my momentum keeps rotating me.

kent2010 · Soul Rider Joined: 14 Jun 2008 Posts: 281 City: Needles

well then it sounds like ur not spotting your landing well enough and thats making you come around not ready for the water and you slide out. thats what happened to me when i first started doin them. so just really focus on keeping your eyes on the water

Christobull · Addict Joined: 29 Jun 2009 Posts: 898 City: Tulsa

To avoid a second feed on this. I tried the backroll this weekend. I do have a small wake, but I can get plenty of air on my wake jumps. I rotated, and came up short. Causing the nose of my board dive into the second wake. I don't think I carried my momentum upward enough to complete the rotation. It's hard to tell if I'm keeping the handle tight to my waist or not because I don't have video, but what are some things I can do to speed the rotation up? I thought about trying it like I would if I were to grab the trick, but still use a strong load and release at the wake, just bend my knees a little more on my cut, and tuck slightly in the air. Would this help, or should I focus on just getting more height? And, if so, what should I work on to get more height?

kent2010 · Soul Rider Joined: 14 Jun 2008 Posts: 281 City: Needles

more pop always helps. but what i do is start with my arms straight and if it feels like im gonna come up short just pull the handle to your lead hip and it gives me that extra little umph i need to get it around all the way.

Christobull · Addict Joined: 29 Jun 2009 Posts: 898 City: Tulsa

kent2010, does that not make you loose height? If I lost height, I'd really have a problem. I could either go higher, rotate faster, or both, but just the same, I'm sure I still have enough room to give it a good tug once I'm inverted to bring it back around quick. I'm afraid I'll be sliding out a lot once I do get the rotation down. I get very disoriented in the air, I'm not sure why. I had just enough time to spot where my face was about to hit last time.

kriggs · Posted: Jul 13, 2009 11:32 am Post subject:

make sure yhat you are taking the trick straight up. that's why you did a nose dive.

kent2010 · Soul Rider Joined: 14 Jun 2008 Posts: 281 City: Needles

pulling the handle to your hip doesnt make you lose height. as for getting disoriented in the air, that happens when you first start doing inverts. you just have to do them till you get used to it and you can spot your landing.

Christobull · Addict Joined: 29 Jun 2009 Posts: 898 City: Tulsa

kent2010, I'm sorry, I didn't mean pulling the handle in, I meant having your arms straight out on take off.

ohdoor · Soul Rider Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 281 City: OKC

kriggs, I had the same exact problem when I was going for a Backroll. I'd make the rotation every single time but would open up on the landing and the board would slide out from under me on my heels. I just had to go out there and do it over and over until I finally got so used to the rotation that I could control the rotation and make sure I wasn't going to land opened up. I still land a little opened up towards the boat every now and then but once I did it enough I can ride away from it everytime. All I can say is to just keep trying and eventually you'll have it.

These are videos of me before I landed it and the first one I landed. Not sure it'll help but if you can compare yourself to this maybe others can help critique you. On the last one you can tell that I still landed with the board opened up but managed to ride away from it. Just keep at it and you'll get it.

Sorry about the horrible quality...

kriggs · Posted: Jul 14, 2009 6:46 am Post subject:

ohdoor, that first one is EXACTLY what I do.
The 2nd video actually helped a bit. thanks

kent2010 · Soul Rider Joined: 14 Jun 2008 Posts: 281 City: Needles

having my arms straight makes me take everything higher. the only time i have my arms bent is if im gonna do a handle pass, then you need the rope in close to your body. ive also noticed it makes me do my backrolls more layed out and tall instead of all cramped up. but mostly its just to be more in control, that way i can slow it down by letting go with my back hand, or speed it up by pulling it in.

ohdoor · Soul Rider Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 281 City: OKC

kriggs, glad it helped Very Happy

Christobull · Addict Joined: 29 Jun 2009 Posts: 898 City: Tulsa

ohdoor, I appreciate the advice. Hopefully it will pay off this weekend. I do hold on with both hands, but I think you're right about initiating the rotation too early. I think I was more worried about not initiating it at all, and got a little overzealous.

tcaseymcclure · Criminal Joined: 12 Jun 2009 Posts: 85

ohdoor, i like the modest mouse playing in the second vid

kriggs · Posted: Jul 15, 2009 6:08 am Post subject:

Yesterday, I rode behind a boat with an actual wake which was nice. My boat - Ski Nautique 196 w/ no ballast...
But to the point, I would get the rotationand land on the board but pop the handle because i would hold on with one hand. But when i would hold on with two, I would slide out.. agh.