W2W Help... Video included(Updated)

[brotherbrown831]

Okay so I have been riding for a while now and first off I will admit I have made every error you can make while learning to ride. This site has been a HUGE help. I dont know anyone around here who rides so me and my buddies have had to learn on our own. I have watched "The BOOK" a dozen times, I know the basics, but seeing the video of myself I still have a LONG way to go.

If you guys dont mind please watch the video and tell me what you see. Its not my best jump or my worst, but it shows clearly most of the problems I seem to have.

My cut is deliberately short, Im focusing on technique not speed. I appreciate all your help. Thank you all.

http://www.vimeo.com/5241607

[JeffreyCH]

I'm just past that stage, so I'll throw out what I see. Rope position looks right, maybe a little hard at the beginning of you edge causing you to let off at the last second, pop is tail heavy, effectively absorbing the wake on your front foot. Put equal pressure on both feet, progress into the wake smooth and steady and you will fly.

[jctwake]

You need to straighten up your legs once you hit the wake. Your knees stay bent the whole way through.

[the_dude]

agree try and do a better job of standing tall at the wake. If you have issues on timing don't sit so far down when edging. you can easily get that hard of an edge without trying so hard.

[brotherbrown831]

Thanks for the observations, I am headed out there now, I will try to get some more video. I am going to work on keeping my legs straight, and not sitting down for my cut as much.

[pet575]

Definitely flattening out some as you hit the trough of the wake. Instead, try digging your heels in MORE at that point. Easiest way to do that is stay in the seated position and just extend/straighten your knees to dig in just a bit more.

From my own memory of my own progression, this last step was the most difficult for me and I remember exactly why- FEAR. Have to wonder if you have the same thing? Just asking because, once I got it into my head that landing on the other side of the wake and/or in the flats consistently feels MUCH better than casing the wake the fear went away. Instead, the only fear I have now is that if my progressive edge isn't HARD enough then I am facing some pain from not jumping far enough. FLYING FEELS GOOD!!!!!

[brotherbrown831]

Thanks for all the help guys, i went out yesterday and had one of my best days of riding ever. For some reason I can not start my cut wide enough. If I go way out on my toeside edge then by the time Im at the wake I feel like im out of control. So I have been focusing on shorter cuts and trying to hold my edge through the wake. I will post up some more video tonight from yesterday. I got some great backroll video of my buddy, and I threw a few back rolls just for fun

[brotherbrown831]

So here is some new video of me from last weekend, its behind a friends SANTE 210 and the wake was way different then what im used to, I think my main problem is a lack of balls, I am just not edging very hard but I wanted to see what you guys think. Thanks for the input.

http://www.vimeo.com/5499162

[spyd4r]

can see your hesitant behind the wake on the sante... you need to cut out further... atleast double where you were in the second video... and sit back more getting more edge... then stand tall at the wake...

another mistake i have been making is trying to go straight across the wake instead of following the path across the wake i start at... (if this makes any sense)

edit: around 1:05 your out plenty far... but just cut in faster and harder.

edit 2: the last jump was your best one, other then the wipe out.. you actually attacked the wake at a good pace.

[kent2010]

you need more weight on the left side of the boat to take care of that white wash in the second vid, that will make it a lot easier.

[brotherbrown831]

I think going back to my little baby wake after riding behind the SANTE is going to help a little bit. It was just a bit intimidating charging at a wake that is so much bigger then Im used to.

Does anyone have any drills to help get over the fear of charging the wake faster?

[spyd4r]

[ohdoor]

brotherbrown831, sorry for getting off topic, but where do you ride in the OKC area?

EDIT: I didn't think to check your profile . Do you ever make it out to Arcadia?

[Christobull]

Maybe it's just me, but that wake looks huge. I think it would also help to speed up some to get that wash out, and lengthen your line maybe 5' or 10'.

[brotherbrown831]

Okay so i took some advice and shortened the rope to 50' I am going to work there until I man up enough stones to get back to 70'. Here is a new video of some jumps and 180s.

Any critique is welcome, body position, handle position, general lack of juevos. Thanks for all your help.

http://www.vimeo.com/5617373

[pet575]

Your edge is not very hard as you approach the wake. You are letting off of it as you approach the wake. You are also letting the knees absorb the wake instead of straightening them as you get to the top of the wake. Your hardest edge, with the straightest knees, should be at the top of the wake. When you DO edge hard it is up until you hit the foam outside the wake and then you let up. Why?

Your rope handle COULD be held close to your hip, but I don't think you are doing it horribly and I don't think it is what is holding you back.

Question: Why don't you edge as hard toward the wake as you do when you pull out to the side on your toeside? It is obvious that you are capable of doing it.....so DO IT.

EDIT: So, I watched your 7-12 vid too. In addition to the "little stuff" I've noticed up above, I think the big picture is that your edge is only about 50% of what it needs to be when you reach the wake. It looks like you are just cutting toward the wake and holding that same edge all the way to the top. That is not progressive edging-that is just charging at the wake.

The edge you take and hold in these videos needs to be the BEGINNING point of your progressive edge-we'll call it 50%. Then as you hit the foam, you should lean back and edge a little harder-we'll call that 75%. Then, as you hit the "trough" of the wake and start to go up the ramp, you have to dig your heels into the water and straighten your knees so that you are at 100% edge.

Look at how much of the bottom of your board is out of the water and being shown to the boat when you edge out on your toeside away from the boat. THAT is how much of the bottom of your board you should be showing to the people in the boat at the top of the wake ramp. Look at the video again after reading this and you'll see the difference in how much of the bottom of your board you are showing to the boat on your heelside cut-it is not much compared to the toeside cut. Along these same lines, you've got to get a little more weight on your front foot to use as much of the board's edge as possible. Right now on your heelside cut you've got just a little bit more than 1/2 of the entire heelside edge of the board in the water. Needs to be more like 75%. The edge of the board behind BOTH heels should be in the water on your way toward the wake. This will help you edge harder as you approach the wake.

It seems like I've written a lot here, but I really haven't. Just a lot of description to help you realize that you are not edging anywhere near hard enough. Once you figure it out, you're going to at least double your height when it comes to pop. That in itself is going to make it super-easy for you to go w2w every time.

Good luck.

[brotherbrown831]

pet575, Thank you so much for taking the time to really analyze that video. I understand what your saying and will hopefully bring my balls with me on the boat tomorrow. I really don't know where all the fear and hesitation is coming from. I will post more video after I ride.

[JeffreyCH]

pet575, Right on bro, one of the best explanations of progressive edge I've read.

brotherbrown831, Yup pack a case of nuts and hit it man, you'll get it

[Christobull]

I don't think I could add anything to what was already said, but if you can't find your balls, let me know and I'll donate one of mine. I really believe that every man should have at least one.

Now get out there and kill it next time.