OMG - why don't people coach properly!!!

Chocoholic · Soul Rider Joined: 21 Feb 2009 Posts: 363 City: Dubai

Humph, okay so I wish I'd known all this earlier.

I have just come back from an awsome 8 days in Thailand, staying at a little lakeside resort, boarding 3-4 times a day with the most amazing coach!

Makes me realise people teach utter tosh half the time. I'm so bummed about it, because people would progress and learn to ride properly if only they had the correct people teaching the correct ride styles.

The way I ride now, compared to the way I rode before my trip, well there's no comparison. Hardly ever catch an edge, because well basically if you're doing it right, it's pretty much not possible.

Damn it damn it damn it!

ky1e · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 2693

Wow!!! Chilllllllll you should be able to tell if you are getting bad coaching or not

logan · Posted: Jun 28, 2009 8:30 am Post subject:

Hmm I like to think that I am a pretty good rider and I teach people a lot, and even I catch edges. stuff watch a crash section of a wake video, everyone catches edges has nothing to do w/ bad coaching.

imshirazy · Outlaw Joined: 01 Jul 2008 Posts: 117

I don't even know where to get a coach... I relied on youtube videos :/

Riddick · Outlaw Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Posts: 212 City: Knoxville

Medina · Posted: Jun 28, 2009 12:19 pm Post subject:

LOL, it really sounds like your to much focussed on progressing, and there are definetly more styles with lesser wrongs, but some methods work for you, and some just wont work for you...

shaggyboarder · Posted: Jun 28, 2009 12:44 pm Post subject:

Its a gift, some people are teachers some people are workers etc. I thought it was pretty obvious that the best way to improve was by getting a good coach :shrugs:.

Wakeboarder3780 · Posted: Jun 28, 2009 2:21 pm Post subject:

Unless your coaching was utterly horrible like they were telling you the opposite of what you should do chances are they aren't holding you back. I'm no pro coach but I can get people up and riding.. Just my $.02. Glad you feel your riding has improved. Mine is still.. terrible. I'll post a video next week to get sometime to get some pointers Wink

Chocoholic · Soul Rider Joined: 21 Feb 2009 Posts: 363 City: Dubai

Chocoholic · Soul Rider Joined: 21 Feb 2009 Posts: 363 City: Dubai

Also realised we need to throw our club boat driver overboard! Perfect Pass is a big no no.

Wakeboarder3780 · Posted: Jun 29, 2009 4:36 am Post subject:

holdsworth · Posted: Jun 29, 2009 5:07 am Post subject:

Ha. I'm self taught on 90% of everything I do and I'm doing fine Laughing

GuitsBoy · Posted: Jun 29, 2009 7:19 am Post subject:

If catching an edge is a frequent problem, im not sure youre qualified to denounce perfect pass quite yet. Its a great tool and can be very accurate. Unless your club driver is travis moye, keep the perfect pass...

Medina · Posted: Jun 29, 2009 8:49 am Post subject:

Whats a perfect pass?

STANG KILLA SS · Posted: Jun 29, 2009 11:15 am Post subject:

this thread is awesome

pet575 · Posted: Jun 29, 2009 12:21 pm Post subject:

Chocoholic, you've got me thoroughly confused. Can you give some specific examples of what you were taught that was clearly wrong? Outside of the direction of bending your knees (which I'm not sure applies universally anyway-doesn't make a lot of sense if you don't duck your feet out much), you haven't given us much to work with here other than some ramblings.

What is a common thing that is taught wrong so that we could all benefit from hearing the "better way" to teach it?

Also, Perfect Pass is great because a bad driver is entirely capable of helping you catch an edge or bury the board in the water and then pull you on your face by letting the boat speed up or slow down too much. Curious as to why it is a "no-no"....

kent2010 · Soul Rider Joined: 14 Jun 2008 Posts: 281 City: Needles

im self taught on everything i do, except for a few tips on here every now and then. and i love perfect pass, it makes it so pretty much anyone can drive, all they have to do is go straight.

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ky1e · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 2693

chipsevila · Posted: Jun 30, 2009 4:35 am Post subject:

Jesus guys....go easy on her. She's just a bit excited.

Chocoholic · Soul Rider Joined: 21 Feb 2009 Posts: 363 City: Dubai

Perfect Pass is basically cruise control for a boat.

Perfect pass is fine if you're on constant flat water, but it's not good if you're out where the water is constantly rolling, where you have lots of traffic, constant boat rollers etc.

Any decent boat driver should be able to judge the riders ability, notice what they're doing and adjust the speed and wake accordingly. Not one of our good drivers uses PP.

Also when you use it the revs go right up, also increases your fuel consumption by a hell of a lot.

I certainly never use it when I'm driving, don't find it necessary.

And yeah the boat driver at our club is a bit of a douche! He'll drag you over rollers at full tilt, not slowing, hit them sideways insteand of head on - it's depressing how bad he can be. He doesn't watch the riders and if someone falls, if the spotters on the boat don't tell him, he'll merrily carry on oblivious.

Actually you might not have heard of the guy as he's originally a slalom skier and pro golfer believe it or not and bizarrely got into wakeboarding way back in the day.

Deen Graves, he has actually coached Byerly, Shaun Murray, Darrin etc, tey all use his methods of riding.

And yeah I am excited, because it's like a light suddenyl going on. No need for you guys to jump up and down all over me.

Cheers

Hollywood · Posted: Jun 30, 2009 5:35 am Post subject:

I think you should just suck it up and get hardcore and stop complaining about the coaching...

Rhawn · Posted: Jun 30, 2009 6:07 am Post subject:

Medina · Posted: Jun 30, 2009 10:56 am Post subject:

Christobull · Addict Joined: 29 Jun 2009 Posts: 898 City: Tulsa

Never boarded behind a perfect pass boat, but with some of the people driving me, it's way up there on the wish list. Once I perfect the autopilot, I should be good to go.

You never did answer the question about what else was so wrong about other advice compared to your recent lessons. I'm also curious.

pet575 · Posted: Jul 02, 2009 7:08 am Post subject:

Chocoholic, I wasn't trying to jump on you either. I was really interested in hearing the things you were concerned with. Was also interested in the negative of PP for riding. I can see how PP can be tough for someone who doesn't know how fast to ride, but it is a definite plus when you have a driver who can't hold speed well or a boat that is difficult to hold speed in for whatever reason.

Chad H · Posted: Jul 02, 2009 9:27 am Post subject:

PP has never given me any problems. But I am spoiled. You guys' chop is my white caps.

Wakeboarder3780 · Posted: Jul 02, 2009 9:54 am Post subject:

Christobull · Addict Joined: 29 Jun 2009 Posts: 898 City: Tulsa

Wakeboarder3780, I partially agree with you. But, I feel like it's harder to go over them at an angle personally. Depends greatly on the size and the chop, but my theory is to get the rider in smooth water again as soon as I can, so I take rollers at right angles whenever possible.

Wakeboarder3780 · Posted: Jul 02, 2009 1:31 pm Post subject:

ky1e · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 2693

m_lesney · Soul Rider Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 358 City: Austin

I LOVE MY PERFECT PASS!!!!!!!!!!!!