First Flip Trick?

RIDE.NORRIS.LAKE · Criminal Joined: 14 Dec 2008 Posts: 90 City: columbus

I can land heel side toe side w2w and the occasional w2w 360 and a raley. I feel that to reall impress myself and others i need a flip trick in my bag of tricks. suggestions??

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

I could consider a raley an invert. But if you want to go full rotation either a backroll or a tantrum are the easiest. There are trick tips on the main page that explain how to do them.

OuachitaWaker · Addict Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 577 City: Hot Springs

Wakebrad - so a 313 is a mobe? Idea

RIDE.NORRIS.LAKE · Criminal Joined: 14 Dec 2008 Posts: 90 City: columbus

alright ill give it a try

Craig-R · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 19 Dec 2008 Posts: 1676

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

OuachitaWaker, Laughing

that's a long debate. But no I don't believe so. The discrepancy is in the definition of Mobe and how it relates to the term Mobius

holdsworth · Posted: Dec 25, 2008 5:56 am Post subject:

IMO, a raley is not an invert. You never go upside-down or make any rotation whatsoever, it's just putting the board up behind you.

When it comes to inverts, definitely tantrum or backroll. For me, it went tantrum, TS backroll to revert, TS backroll, HS backroll, scarecrow...and the rest built on.

Blindside_137 · Posted: Dec 25, 2008 10:27 am Post subject:

yea, I think the raley is just a trick on the difficulty level of basic inverts and for competition sake, was a trick in the inverted and above divisions.

I've tried a few tantrums and came pretty close for my first invert. Hopefully will get them at the start of the season and think i'll go ts backroll, hs backroll, and scarecrow for my next inverts.

i'd love to get all those next summer. just go for what seems to be the most simple when you visualize it and keep at it.

Riddick · Outlaw Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Posts: 212 City: Knoxville

RIDE.NORRIS.LAKE, work on backrolls, or tantrums, or ts fronts...one of them will click.

OuachitaWaker · Addict Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 577 City: Hot Springs

if you have a good toeside w2w try a toebackroll, they arent as easy as the heelside backroll but they are a pretty easy first invert attempt to get comfy tryin to go upside down

leif · Newbie Joined: 03 Mar 2009 Posts: 4 City: Thornhill

I've got a 17 foot outboard boat. I have progressed pretty well so far behind it, but I have yet to go upside down. ow difficult will it be to learn inverts behind a boat with a relatively small wake and no tower?

kingofthehoop · Newbie Joined: 05 May 2005 Posts: 11 City: Hermiston

I landed my first backroll this last summer on an old Tige Ski Tournament boat with a tower. Not a real big wake size but it gets the job done. I've also known a few guys who have landed backrolls on ski boats without a tower. so you can do it, just gotta be up to it.

The_Steeze_Prodigy · Newbie Joined: 14 Apr 2009 Posts: 9

uhm, invert tricks mean that at some point your feet are straight above your head, on a vertical plane, since raileys never involve being upside down, wakebrad is a moron. End of story. Twisted Evil

ky1e · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 2693

shaggyboarder · Posted: Apr 25, 2009 6:46 pm Post subject:

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ky1e · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 2693

blitzentrapped, like Shaggy said, a raley is considered an invert in competitions. Also, the board goes over your head on a raley technically making you inverted. I get every bit as inverted on a raley as I do on an elephant. I made sure to learn them how Greg Necrasson does them because I think that is one of the coolest looking tricks in wakeboarding, and doing them that way they look almost more like a toeside vulcan. A 313 is not only a mobe, but the hardest mobe in wakeboarding.
By your definition of a mobius being a circle within a circle (the geometric definition of mobius), a whirly would be considered a mobe, but it is not. A mobius (wakeboarding definition) is an invert with a handle pass 360.