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I know many members have puppies & dogs. With the forever on going debate of what is the best brand/type to feed your cherished pet, I found this site:
http://www.the-puppy-dog-place.com/dog-food-comparisons.html
It goes through their method of grading food. ( if yours isn't listed go to the link to calculate the grade of your brand)
Since this is WB.com ***** I've decided to remove the list so now you have to read the article .
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I put very little stock in all these dog food ratings lately... I think it's getting a little over the top and is somewhat of a good marketing ploy to get me to spend $80 on dog food instead of $50.
- My dog has eaten a C or D grade food all her life
- She is very healthy, fit, great coat, people ask me if she's 1 or 2 (she is almost 12)
- I tried feeding Raw food before and it made my dog sick
- Why do dogs need premium grade food? Humans don't even eat premium grade food
- My dogs are currently eating an apparently "C grade" food... They also eat: GRASS, STICKS, DIRT, TOILET WATER, ROCKS, POO... 
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mine is rated "f". have raised 3 other dogs that lived healthy lives to above the breed average on the same food with no major medical bills..
crock of poop if you ask me.
my dogs are inside dogs and don't get a lick of table scraps either. begging is rude..
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ontrider, sandm, I'm right there with you. The article is bogus.
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I feed my dog's Alpo, not even on the list they seem to like it. What I find interesting is that dog treats are more expensive then the real thing. Take beggin strips for instance, 6oz package is around 3.50, that's like 9 bucks a pound, I don't pay that for real bacon??? As for the cheap food, both my dogs are healthy, shiny coats, my 1y/o "puppy" weighs over 120 lbs. (it's probably from all the real bacon, twizzlers, and junk food he eats) My 3y/o female weighs just under 70lbs. and has always had good check ups.
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Three cheers for Kirkland(Costco)..... 
I really assumed I downgraded when we switched the dog to Kirkland brand, but was sick of paying for Eukanuba, let alone making a separate trip to PetSmart to buy dog food.
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I feed my malamute the Eagle Pack holistic dog food, great stuff and not that expensive compared to other brands - she loves it.
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Dogfood just stinks sooo awefully...
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ontrider
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| Posted: Apr 05, 2009 10:21 am Post subject: Re: Dog food rating & comparisons |
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| Dragonlady8 wrote: | | Since this is WB.com ***** I've decided to remove the list so now you have to read the article . |
Great.. now nobody will reply.
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I never feed the same brand two bags or cases of cans in a row.
Your dogs get sick when you switch their brands because you are crippling their digestive systems by giving them the same thing day in and day out.
Good table scraps are great for dogs.
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No, I'm not a vet.
I'm a person who has a vet for their dogs, and who has always switched their dogs foods rapidly and frequently. And the result has been that my dogs have very active and varied intestinal bacteria. My dogs can eat anything non-poisonous and not get sick. The very fact that dog food companies tell you to stick to one food, but tell you that you have to switch slowly over days should tell you something. A dog is an opportunistic omnivore. They are made to eat untold amounts of whatever they can find and live on it. But when we feed them one food for weeks, months, years... we disrupt their intestinal bacteria and cripple their ability to eat like an omnivore should.
If you feed your dog a varied, healthy diet, they don't get sick when they eat different things. Only the dog who is mono-fed has this reaction.
As for table scraps, that depends on your scraps. My dogs generally eat what I eat for dinner. tonight they even got chinese food leftovers. NOw, that's not typical, but they are better off with fried rice and sweet and sour chicken then they are with a crap brand of dry food like alpo or Dad's or Old Roy. At least they are getting chicken and whole rice.
Usually their scraps are left over chicken cutlets, rice, potatoes, beef, pork, veggies, etc. It is clear that whole, real cuts of meat are better than processed, steamed, extruded dry dog food, even when the ingredients are good.
American vets are horribly undereducated when it comes to canine nutrition. Our own vet admitted as much to us. A Cornell graduate, her canine nutrition education consisted of being told by Purina and a few other dog food companies who give money for vet education that they should pick one dog food and stick with it. This is ridiculous.
I'm sure all your dogs do fine on crap food, and at least you take care of them and feed them regularly, which is more than I can say for the douchebags we get our foster dogs from, but the fact that a dog mono-fed on one food gets sick when he eats something else should tell you something.
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According to their scoring our dogs' food is a 123. Whoopdeedoo.
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What if your dogs eats poo, how many points is that?
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| We used to be concerned about giving our Lab chicken bones. Then after watching her eat ENTIRE squirrels and rabbits we don't worry so much. She freely roams around our property all day long so who knows what else she's chowing on.
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| cameraboy wrote: | | A dog is an opportunistic omnivore. They are made to eat untold amounts of whatever they can find and live on it. |
Yeah, maybe thousands of years ago or maybe wild dogs... but domestic dogs have adapted to a different lifestyle. I rarely if ever feed my dogs scraps, why would we feed them a supposedly natural and healthy dog food and then drop them some chinese take-out? It doesn't make sense. Not only that, but they never beg for food because they know they are not getting any.
| Quote: | | It is clear that whole, real cuts of meat are better than processed, steamed, extruded dry dog food, even when the ingredients are good. |
Not to me it isn't, and I've had this discussion with my vet who doesn't care either way, but quoted cases where dogs on raw/whole food diets have gotten sick from it, whereas those eating dry food have not.
| Quote: | | American vets are horribly undereducated when it comes to canine nutrition. Our own vet admitted as much to us. |
This is a common observation and it seems breeders especially like to point this out to people because they've read a few articles online I will be the first to admit I am not well educated in canine nutrition, but I know for a fact my vet will know more than me... even if they recieved ZERO training on nutrition, I'm sure their experience alone would teach them quite a bit more.
| Quote: | | A Cornell graduate, her canine nutrition education consisted of being told by Purina and a few other dog food companies who give money for vet education that they should pick one dog food and stick with it. This is ridiculous. |
While they may be undereducated (or less than you would like) in nutrition, do you really believe that is all the nutritional education they received in 4-5 years of vet school? Some Purina rep coming in for an hour lecture? Please.
| Quote: | | But the fact that a dog mono-fed on one food gets sick when he eats something else should tell you something. |
Like what, that my dog is unhappy because I don't switch his food every 10Kg bag and he can't go eat a hamburger now without getting sick? (not that he necessarily will anyway) Do you think a lot of the time them getting sick has to do with the fact they normally eat a cup of food and then go on a garbage binge eating more than they could probably fit in their stomachs?  [/quote]
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Here's the Reader's Digest version: If you're not doing exactly as CB does, you're doing it wrong. Our wrong choice is Innova Senior Plus (not on the list).
Authority Harvest Baked / Score 116 A+
Bil-Jac Select / Score 68 F
Blue Buffalo Chicken & Brown Rice/ Score 106 A+
Canidae / Score 112 A+
Chicken Soup Senior / Score 115 A+
Diamond Maintenance / Score 64 F
Diamond Lamb Meal & Rice / Score 92 B
Diamond Large Breed 60+ Formula / Score 99 A
Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance Ultra Premium / Score 122 A+
Dick Van Patten's Duck and Potato / Score 106 A+
Eagle Pack Holistic / Score 119 A+
Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken / Score 114 A+
Eagle Pack Large and Giant Breed Puppy / Score 94 A
Eagle Pack Natural / Score 94 A
Eukanuba Large Breed Adult / Score 83 C
Eukanuba Natural Lamb and Rice / Score 87 B
Flint River Ranch / Score 92 B (non-specific fat source)
Foundations / Score 106 A+
Hund-n-Flocken Adult Dog (lamb) by Solid Gold / Score 93 A
Iams Lamb Meal & Rice Formula Premium / Score 73 D
Iams Large Breed / Score 83 C
Innova Dog / Score 114 A+
Innova Evo / Score 114 A+
Kirkland Signature Chicken, Rice, and Vegetables / Score 110 A+
Kirkland Signature Puppy Chicken, Rice and Vegetable / Score 108 A+
Natural Balance Duck and Potato / Score 114 A+
Nutrisource Lamb and Rice / Score 87 B
Nutro Chicken, Rice, & Oatmeal / Score 85 C (non-specific fat source)
Nutro Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy / Score 87 B
Nutro Natural choice Lamb and Rice / Score 85 C
Ol Roy / Score 9 F
Pedigree Complete Nutrition / Score 42 F
Pedigree Adult Complete / Score 14 F
Pet Gold Adult with Lamb & Rice / Score 23 F
Pro Plan All Breed / Score 68 F
Pro Plan Natural Turkey & Barley / Score 103 A+
Purina Benful / Score 17 F
Purina Dog / Score 62 F
Purina Come-n-Get It / Score 16 F
Royal Canin Bulldog / Score 100 A+
Royal Canin Natural Blend Adult / Score 106 A+
Sensible Choice Chicken and Rice / Score 97 A
Science Diet Advanced Protein Senior 7+ / Score 63 F
Science Diet chicken adult maintenance / Score 45 F
Science Diet for Large Breed Puppies / Score 69 F
Solid Gold Bison / Score 123 A+
Timberwolf Organics Lamb and Venison / Score 136 A+
Wellness Super5 Mix Chicken / Score 110 A+
Wolfking Adult Dog (Bison) by Solid Gold / Score 97 A
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| I've never even heard of Richard Van Patten. Isn't that the guy from Eight is Enough?
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Probably one of the companies that has TONS of dough going into nutrition research and they scored???
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I should make my own list with some random-ass scoring system.
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| There's definite bias built into the rating system, but I agree with many of them, so - works for me.
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I'd say part of the problem here is, simply put - you can't market directly to the dog. You have to make the food appealing in some way to the HUMAN, not the dog who actually has to eat it.
I apologize for the completely unrelated twist: I saw Willie Ames (Eight is Enough kid) on the news the other night. He was having a garage sale in hopes of staving off foreclosure.
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| cameraboy wrote: | | No, I'm not a vet so the following is completely irrelevant. |
CB, normally I think you bring a good, different perspective for the forum but this is something that I don't think you can lecture on. I understand your theory on changing dog food brands but I don't necessarily think it is a a good idea personally. Vets are so much more knowledgeable about dog diets than you or I will likely ever be. You might thing your way is the right way and that is fine but I don't think the millions of people who stick to one brand of food for their dogs are doing them disservice. I DO think that feeding dogs take out and/or table scraps is a bad idea. It does more than create bad habits.
I personally don't care where anyone went to college. Cornell, Harvard, Stanford, NYU, State College, who cares? You know who also went to Cornell? This guy...
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You know who also went to Cornell? This guy...
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Yeah, maybe thousands of years ago or maybe wild dogs... but domestic dogs have adapted to a different lifestyle. I rarely if ever feed my dogs scraps, why would we feed them a supposedly natural and healthy dog food and then drop them some chinese take-out? It doesn't make sense. Not only that, but they never beg for food because they know they are not getting any.
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First off, dog food has only been around since the 1930's and then really began showing up in american homes after wwII. So dogs have been eating table scraps for thousands of years, it's only when someone realized that there was a market for waste meat products that people were told not to feed table scraps.
Second, the rice and meat in chinese food, if given occasionally, is probably better than the extruded corn and soy meal in most cheap dog foods.
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Not to me it isn't, and I've had this discussion with my vet who doesn't care either way, but quoted cases where dogs on raw/whole food diets have gotten sick from it, whereas those eating dry food have not.
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Is your vet not aware of bloat and canine diabetes?
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but I know for a fact my vet will know more than me... even if they recieved ZERO training on nutrition, I'm sure their experience alone would teach them quite a bit more.
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Take a look at what's for sale in your vet's waiting room. It's probably Science Diet.
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While they may be undereducated (or less than you would like) in nutrition, do you really believe that is all the nutritional education they received in 4-5 years of vet school? Some Purina rep coming in for an hour lecture? Please.
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Yes. Our vet claims that at Cornell, they spent next to no time on canine nutrition and were told, essentially, to just advise clients to consistently feed a recognized brand of dog food.
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Like what, that my dog is unhappy because I don't switch his food every 10Kg bag and he can't go eat a hamburger now without getting sick? (not that he necessarily will anyway) Do you think a lot of the time them getting sick has to do with the fact they normally eat a cup of food and then go on a garbage binge eating more than they could probably fit in their stomachs?
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Amount of food aside (which should not matter much anyway depending on the dog..) your dog can't eat other foods because the bacteria in his gut have died off, except for the bacteria that thrive on whatever is in his particular brand of food.
a dog fed a more natural diet that varies the componants can eat almost ANYTHING without getting sick, because his gut is healthy and he is not digestively crippled.
This goes for good food as well. If you only feed one food with little or no variation, gut bacteria repopulate themselves to digest only that food. And when they get something else... they get sick.
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Here's the Reader's Digest version: If you're not doing exactly as CB does, you're doing it wrong. Our wrong choice is Innova Senior Plus (not on the list).
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Innova is one of the foods we rotate in and out. it's good stuff, as I'm sure you already know. But the fact is, and even common sense says, that if a dog can't eat anything but ONE thing without getting sick, something is drastically wrong.
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Probably one of the companies that has TONS of dough going into nutrition research and they scored???
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You should understand that Pedigree does NOT do research on what is best to feed your dog. They do research to determine how cheaply they can keep your dog alive and in acceptable health. There is a big difference.
When you read a DOG food label and see soy meal and corn meal, something should tell you that there is an issue. When your dogs crap is HUGE it indicates he is not digesting much of what you are feeding him. Dogs can not digest corn. It is a filler that allows df companies to put certain percentages on their labels. But the energy in corn is not accessible by your dogs unless it is highly processed, which destroys the integrity of the nutrition anyhow.
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I'd say part of the problem here is, simply put - you can't market directly to the dog. You have to make the food appealing in some way to the HUMAN, not the dog who actually has to eat it.
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Yes, and the way they do this is by keeping the price low with bottom quality ingredients, then adding sugars to make it palatable for your dog, and food coloring to make it palatable to you. (the WORST ones do this with sugar)
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CB, normally I think you bring a good, different perspective for the forum but this is something that I don't think you can lecture on. I understand your theory on changing dog food brands but I don't necessarily think it is a a good idea personally. Vets are so much more knowledgeable about dog diets than you or I will likely ever be.
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That's simply not true. Talk to your vet about the level of education and depth of study he or she has had in canine nutrition.
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I don't think the millions of people who stick to one brand of food for their dogs are doing them disservice. I DO think that feeding dogs take out and/or table scraps is a bad idea. It does more than create bad habits.
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Ultimately, if the dog does well, that's good enough. But since dry commercial dog food has made an appearance in the marketplace, incidents of canine bloat, diabetes, obesity... have increased correspondingly. NOw, there are, of course, other factors, but common sense should tell you that when an opportunistic omnivore can't eat omnivorously, and when the ingredients are corn and soy, something is not right.
As for table scraps, this nonsense is SO INGRAINED into american's heads that you don't even see the facts. First, we feed table scraps in their bowls at mealtime. NOT from the table. therfore, no begging.
second, you are out of your mind if you think that your dog is better off with extruded corn meal and bone meal than with some leftover chicken cutlets and carrots.
What is this block in the mentality that has a person looking at a plate of chicken cutlets and a bowl of dry dog food and thinking that the plate of chicken cutlets is the lesser of the two choices to give to the dog?
I can't get my mind around that.
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I've even toned them back. You should have seen the stuff I was writing when I didn't have any work to do....
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| cameraboy wrote: | First off, dog food has only been around since the 1930's and then really began showing up in american homes after wwII. So dogs have been eating table scraps for thousands of years, it's only when someone realized that there was a market for waste meat products that people were told not to feed table scraps.
Second, the rice and meat in chinese food, if given occasionally, is probably better than the extruded corn and soy meal in most cheap dog foods. |
Yeah, but they still didn't go around in packs killing baby deer, they were fed and scavenged. Their digestive systems have evolved.
| Quote: | | Is your vet not aware of bloat and canine diabetes? |
Probably not because she is only a C Grade vet who charges me 20% less than real vets who got their diploma's from websites. Anyway, I don't even know what you're getting at. I simply asked her opinion on the Raw diet and she said in her experience she has seen no added benefits and has actually seen some dogs get sick from it, that is all I was saying.
| Quote: | | Take a look at what's for sale in your vet's waiting room. It's probably Science Diet. |
No it's not actually, and my vet recommended IAMS years ago and recently asked what I was feeding my puppy and said it is still a very good food. She does not sell it at all and I don't buy food from the Vet, I but it at Pet Mart.
| Quote: | | Yes. Our vet claims that at Cornell, they spent next to no time on canine nutrition and were told, essentially, to just advise clients to consistently feed a recognized brand of dog food. |
I should be going to see the vet in a couple weeks, I'll have to ask her what type of nutritional training is provided to vets as well as what type of information she receives on an ongoing basis as a professional. Maybe Cornell sucks at Vetting.
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a dog fed a more natural diet that varies the componants can eat almost ANYTHING without getting sick, because his gut is healthy and he is not digestively crippled. |
Seeing that you know more about this than myself and obviously your own vet, perhaps you should take the opportunity to offer vet's a training course in nutrition? You do lectures already don't you? Seems like it could be a nice side job.
But seriously, if I'm only going to feed my dog, dog food... what does it matter if her digestive system is crippled and she can't eat a steak sandwich?
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You should understand that Pedigree does NOT do research on what is best to feed your dog. They do research to determine how cheaply they can keep your dog alive and in acceptable health. There is a big difference. |
If that is true, than acceptable health according to that chart an "F" or 14 out of 130something?
Food companies for humans do the exact same thing, so what is your point? Just because I eat a $5 steak and not a $30 steak doesn't mean it's $25 better or I'm going to reap incredible health benefits from it. Do you think all these other dog food companies are just going to submit their profits to Pedigree and Iams? They'd snatch the big guy's market share up in a heartbeat if they could, but they can't... so they market a "healthier" brand of food and scare you into thinking the BIG BOYS are out to kill your dog with dirty ground up chicken bones and PROCESSED (OMG) foods and BYPRODUCTS (OOO SCARY!).
| Quote: | | When you read a DOG food label |
I don't read the dog food label, I don't read the label of food I eat either.
| Quote: | | Ultimately, if the dog does well, that's good enough. But since dry commercial dog food has made an appearance in the marketplace, incidents of canine bloat, diabetes, obesity... have increased correspondingly. NOw, there are, of course, other factors, |
Ha! What, like overfeeding, people who never walk their dogs, or buy the wrong type of dog because it's "cute". You can't blame this on dry dog food. It's not like dogs are Supersizing their meals, the people I know who have fat dogs 1. don't walk their dogs 2. feed their dogs too much 3. leave food out all day for their dog (no set feeding times).
| Quote: | What is this block in the mentality that has a person looking at a plate of chicken cutlets and a bowl of dry dog food and thinking that the plate of chicken cutlets is the lesser of the two choices to give to the dog?
I can't get my mind around that. |
Let's see...
1. The chicken is probably just as processed as the dog food.
2. (this is the kicker) The DOG food was made specifically for DOGS.[/quote]
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Neognosis
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Yeah, but they still didn't go around in packs killing baby deer, they were fed and scavenged. Their digestive systems have evolved.
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Evolved to eat only one food day in and day out? Is THAT why they get sick and puke and have the runs when a mono-fed dog gets another type of food?
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Probably not because she is only a C Grade vet who charges me 20% less than real vets who got their diploma's from websites. Anyway, I don't even know what you're getting at. I simply asked her opinion on the Raw diet and she said in her experience she has seen no added benefits and has actually seen some dogs get sick from it, that is all I was saying.
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I don't feed a raw diet, not did I mention feeding a raw diet in this thread. OH, I get it... you ASSUMED I did based on a preconceived notion about what you thought I would say. I get it.
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But seriously, if I'm only going to feed my dog, dog food... what does it matter if her digestive system is crippled and she can't eat a steak sandwich?
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If that's how you feel, she's your dog.
I like knowing that my dogs guts are healthy though.
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Food companies for humans do the exact same thing, so what is your point?
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My point is don't cite Purina and Pedigree as examples of pet health research. They don't experiment to determine the best food for you dog. They research to find out how much cheap crap they can feed your dog before it starts to show.
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Just because I eat a $5 steak and not a $30 steak doesn't mean it's $25 better or I'm going to reap incredible health benefits from it.
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That's right. However, there is a difference if you ate steak, potatoes, carrots and peas compared to if you ate nothing but chicken mcnuggets every day.
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so they market a "healthier" brand of food and scare you into thinking the BIG BOYS are out to kill your dog with dirty ground up chicken bones and PROCESSED (OMG) foods and BYPRODUCTS (OOO SCARY!).
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Actually, ground up chicken bones don't bother me, as bone is good for dogs to eat. Processed food is NOT as good as fresh table scraps, but it's not the worst. By products are crap though. Will a dog die from eating meat byproducts? No, but they won't do as well if the same dog were on a better, varied diet.
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Ha! What, like overfeeding, people who never walk their dogs, or buy the wrong type of dog because it's "cute". You can't blame this on dry dog food.
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That's correct. Alothough most likely, bloat is linked to dry dog food. What's interesting though, is that dogs lived longer and were healthier before dry commercial dog food became the staple.
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1. The chicken is probably just as processed as the dog food.
2. (this is the kicker) The DOG food was made specifically for DOGS.[/
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You can't seriously think that a chicken breast is as processed as the dog food. The processing for the chicken breasts we buy is essentially: a- chicken breast is cut off the dead bird and put into a celophane wrapper and put into the case at the store. b- I buy it, marinate it, cook it.
And as for 2, how did we get stuck with this RIDICULOUS notion that if you put a bunch of crap in a bag and do some tests to make sure that it won't kill a dog, then it's the best thing for dogs to eat? Absurd. This is marketing at it's best.. when you convince an entire popultion that, despite a thousand years of sucess without yoru product, only your product can keep dogs alive.
If I had the time to do it properly, i wouldn't ever feed my dogs "dog food."
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I don't feed a raw diet, not did I mention feeding a raw diet in this thread. OH, I get it... you ASSUMED I did based on a preconceived notion about what you thought I would say. I get it.
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I didn't assume that at all... I assumed you fed dry food including Innova since that's what you stated in all of your posts.
The reason I mentioned RAW food is because many breeders and other self-proclaimed canine nutrition experts such as yourself, always seem to suggest that feed natural foods or non-dry diets such as RAW / BARF is much much better for the dog. I was simply pointing out that someone who deals with animals on a day to day basis did not find this to be true. A fair attempt at twisting my words though.
| Quote: | If that's how you feel, she's your dog.
I like knowing that my dogs guts are healthy though. |
I'm going to ASSUME that comment is meant to make me feel bad about what I feed my dog. She has reached her breed's life expectancy and is as healthy as ever.. just one of the reasons I do not have a problem feeding a dry food. In my experience it has served both of us very well and I'm pretty sure she has absolutely no concept of canine nutrition and is just as happy as ever when she hears those dry pieces clinking into her bowl.
| Quote: | | My point is don't cite Purina and Pedigree as examples of pet health research. They don't experiment to determine the best food for you dog. |
Of course they do. Who else would put more money into researching canine nutrition than dog food companies? That is what they do. How can you possibly know more than them? It's like saying you think Ronix makes a better quality wakeboard than Hyperlite because it's more expensive and better made, and all of a sudden you know more about wakeboard design than Hyperlite because they're the evil company who only wants to pump out the cheapest product for you and PROFIT!
| Quote: | | That's right. However, there is a difference if you ate steak, potatoes, carrots and peas compared to if you ate nothing but chicken mcnuggets every day. |
You're comparing nutritional food specifically created as a daily meal for dogs to people eating chicken McNuggets as a staple?
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I asked my dogs about this, their reply was "quite f'ing around on WBer.com and go get some cheeseburgers" so off to the dollar menu I ride.
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Awesome. We started feeding our dogs this 2 months ago. $25 for 40lbs. The ingredients are very similar to Nutra Ultra Holistic, but at half the price.
Kirkland Signature Chicken, Rice, and Vegetables / Score 110 A+
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| Quote: | | The reason I mentioned RAW food is because many breeders and other self-proclaimed canine nutrition experts such as yourself, always seem to suggest that feed natural foods or non-dry diets such as RAW / BARF is much much better for the dog. I was simply pointing out that someone who deals with animals on a day to day basis did not find this to be true. |
Although, the BARF diet was introduced by a vet. And many vets DO endorse it. Though many are afraid to, as any use of raw meet is risky for people, and in rare occasions it is risky to the dog. However, I wonder if the rate of dogs properly fed barf diets that die from them is on par with the amount of dogs who die of gastrointestinal bloat linked to dry dog food...
| Quote: | | I'm going to ASSUME that comment is meant to make me feel bad about what I feed my dog. |
You are then again assuming wrong. I don't want to make you feel bad about what you feed your dog. I just want to make people aware of a different philosophy. Believe me, some of our foster dogs are beaten, burned with acid, mutilated, blinded, beaten, starved, etc. etc. As long as you give your dogs food and shelter and companionship, in my mind you are a better person than the scumbags from whom we get our dogs.
| Quote: | | Who else would put more money into researching canine nutrition than dog food companies? |
AGAIN, they research not to determine the BEST foods for your dog, but the cheapest foods that they can package that your dog will eat and survive on without showing any evidence of malnutrition. There is a big difference.
If you read a dog food label (which you already said you never have done) and you see corn and soy meal, it is obvious what their research is really geared towards.
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Swass, i dont see Hunters Choice on that list
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