Tantrum

Dampy · Newbie Joined: 15 Jun 2008 Posts: 18 City: Emblem

I'm already doing W2W 180's , and some grabs.. I want to learn something new now and I'm hesitating to try the tantrum. Let's say that I want to do it, but everytime I break off at the last moment..

Do you have to do it W2W?? And is it better to learn it at a lower speed??

hope you can help me out.. Any hints?

thx

flounderbout · Outlaw Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 224 City: London

Take it at the usual speed. And grow some balls. Wink

Seriously, once you've thrown a couple the fear will go. There is no reason you will hurt yourself any more trying inverts (until you get into some serious business) than if you catch a big front edge on a W2W 180.

Dampy · Newbie Joined: 15 Jun 2008 Posts: 18 City: Emblem

thx...

Jensen · Posted: Jun 17, 2008 8:58 am Post subject:

once you throw your first attempt and will more than likely underrotate your fear will be gone and you'll be throwing them in no time. Its just that first attempt that is the hardest. just ride at normal speed, concentrate on the trip approach and just lead the rotation with your head. You'll catch on, it just takes the first attempt to realize the trick is very possible for you to do.

toothpick · Posted: Jun 18, 2008 9:31 pm Post subject:

The hardest part about the tantrum is the weird approach to the wake. Unlike a wake jump, you want to get on your edge early, then back off so you can drop your back hand and turn your back to the wake.

Trying them wake to wake is fun and all, but if you want to learn that edge without hurting yourself, and to build your confidence, do them at around 18 mph one wake. Come into the wake, don't even worry about doing the flip, just do the proper edge. If you do it right, you'll do half a tantrum or so. Once you can do that every time, then try it out either one wake a little faster, or wake to wake at normal speeds.

Learning the proper edge at a slower speed will help you keep the trick more consistent once you land it. Tantrums are pretty easy, so it's not a huge deal with that move, but with many moves, like learning 360s and backrolls and stuff, if you learn the basic positions at slower speeds, you'll pick them up much quicker at normal speeds. Good luck!

Epic · Addict Joined: 21 Aug 2005 Posts: 765

Toothpick nailed it. When I was learning them I cut into the boat about 20 times and wussed out. Kept having them slow the boat down until they were going about 17mph, then I figured I better do it before we run out of gas. Just went in slowly and threw a half hearted attempt, got about 2/3 the way around (completely let go of the handle). Realized it wasn't bad at all and tried a bunch more as the fear dissapeared. Definately start it out slowly as under rotating won't hurt you at all.

Dampy · Newbie Joined: 15 Jun 2008 Posts: 18 City: Emblem

thanks people.. I'll try to do it at lower speeds tomorrow.. I'll post here wether it workd or not.. :p

CY

Dampy · Newbie Joined: 15 Jun 2008 Posts: 18 City: Emblem

I did it!!!! I managed to land the tantrum this week... thanks for all help..

greetz

flounderbout · Outlaw Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 224 City: London

Great work! Congrats...
So did you use a low impact method at slow speed, or did you just go for it?

Dampy · Newbie Joined: 15 Jun 2008 Posts: 18 City: Emblem

I just went for it, with some help of an instructor and I did it like a normal jump and then in the air I threw myself over... lots easier than going parallel with the wake... :p

brichter14 · Addict Joined: 27 Apr 2008 Posts: 705

last night on my G/fs tramp I attempted my first backflip ever. im 20.... I landed on my knees and was like "wow that was easy" landed on my feet the next attempt. Tried it again landed on my feet no prob. Then got the rope out. back flip with the tantrum approach no problem, landed 3 in a row. Then I got my homemade tramp board out. Did 6 consecutive tantrums. Im so pumped to get to the water to try them out..

Its so much easier to spot your landing than on a HS backroll...

oshensurfer · Posted: Jul 16, 2008 11:44 am Post subject:

flounderbout · Outlaw Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 224 City: London

oshensurfer, that was my approach, and that was why I was interested in whether the whole one wake build up thing worked. For me if you work tants are all about timing, and if you learn the timing one wake you are just going to have to relearn the timing when you get up to speed.
Also I agree I have never taken a fall doing tants that was really bad (unlike just about every other invert).
But i would still be interested in whether there is an easy progression way that works for people...

Car333son · Newbie Joined: 24 Jul 2008 Posts: 2 City: Westminster

I've read through all of the tantrum help posts I think (about 20 of them) and I'm stoked to try it out next time I'm on the water. I'm really tired of knocking the wind out of myself while trying HS BS 3's.
I read that it's very similar to a backflip on a trampoline but is it more similar to a layout on a tramp or tucked backflip? It seems like it's more laid out from what I saw on my Detention video with Sean Murray. On a tucked backflip, I use my arms a lot, especially on the ground but on a layout, I use the jump/lean back to do most of the flip and my head usually does the rest followed by swinging my legs under me.
So, do I stand up off the wake and wait for my board to come around or do I tuck it hard and open up when I spot the landing? (I used to be a gymnast and I was taught to get around as fast as you can and then open up the tuck when you spot the landing.) I'm guessing I shouldn't try to throw my arms at all even though I probably will try to the first time.

P.S. I can't access pretty much anything but forums since I'm at work and Websense blocks most pages on wakeboarding so, if I should just wait until I get home and read the main page on Tantrums, let me know.

oshensurfer · Posted: Jul 24, 2008 8:51 am Post subject:

Car333son, The pic in my profile shows a bad formed tanny. I'm about as tucked as you ever would want to be on this trick unless your going for a grab.

Car333son · Newbie Joined: 24 Jul 2008 Posts: 2 City: Westminster

Okay, so is the "trip" from the wake throwing the flip for you or is it the tuck that is throwing you over? oshensurfer, it doesn't look like your looking back as much as I would expect to be needed to do the flip. Is that enough look back or should your head be more back?

kevoLFwake · Outlaw Joined: 17 Jul 2008 Posts: 132

dude... trial and error my friend, trial and error. by the 3rd try you will almost be landing them. then you will think "wow that was easy"

if you have questions on the form or tips, just look at the trick tips when your at home or somethin.

Epic · Addict Joined: 21 Aug 2005 Posts: 765

Probably the most important thing I've learned in doing these is WAITING. Wait longer than you think you need to. The longer you wait, the more air you'll get and the easier it is to spot your landing. But like Kevo said, trial and error. You'll see they don't hurt and you'll get your timing down. Just don't start squaring up you're shoulders till you're riding up the wake or it'll be flat, fast and tough to spot your landing. Wait about a second longer than you think and you'll notice a night and day difference.

oshensurfer · Posted: Jul 24, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject:

Car333son, Like I said... Bad Form. I'm looking out the back instead of up, thus my board is following suit.

StevenJ128 · Newbie Joined: 03 Jun 2008 Posts: 8 City: Tuscaloosa

Haha, I beg to differ with the statement, "they don't hurt". I just tried one today for the first time. Granted it was an uggly, half-assed attempt, but it hurt like hell and knocked the breath out of me. Nonetheless, I can't wait to get back out and try it again!

Punkpenguin · Outlaw Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 224

" half-assed attempt"

Gotta commit.

kevoLFwake · Outlaw Joined: 17 Jul 2008 Posts: 132

dont think about it too much. and i agree with how they "don't hurt" if you are hesitating or thinking about it too much you will land on your head, get water in your eyes, and all that if you hesitate. but once you realize how easy it is and smooth it can be it never hurts anymore. even if you dont ride it out everytime.

StevenJ128 · Newbie Joined: 03 Jun 2008 Posts: 8 City: Tuscaloosa

JustinCT · Newbie Joined: 08 Jul 2008 Posts: 19 City: Philadelphia

I gave it about 4 or 5 attempts last night myself. It was a little nerve racking the first time but after that I didn't have any fear trying them. I kept under rotating and after giving it some thought, I just have to come at the wake harder and hold off a little longer like someone mentioned. I can't wait to get back out and try again.

big slick · Newbie Joined: 27 Jul 2008 Posts: 5 City: greenville

im pretty beginner and tried a few tantrums last weekend. i just cant seem to get enough height with the board parallel to the wake. i was thinking next weekend i would try some tantrums with a harder edge and see what happens? i tried 3 times last time and each time i landed vertical on my head/neck in the middle of the wake, and it seemed like i was rotating in slow motion. am i too beginner to try these? or should i try 360s instead?

Dampy · Newbie Joined: 15 Jun 2008 Posts: 18 City: Emblem

it is pretty important that you have good basics before trying the tantrum...

but, if you really want to try it you should not hesitate..
when you land on your neck/head, it's obvious that you're hesitating(you've got fear to throw yourself..) take a good edge and jump.. after you left the wake, throw your board up (in fact you should already start this movement just before you leave the wake) and get a good rotation (I mean: not land on your head) Smile

when you got this you'll probably fall a bunch of times on your belly, but with you're feet first.. just keep on trying them from then on until you land it properly... oh yes, when you rotate, hold the handle close to your body (bend your arm) this will help the landing...

good luck with it 'big slick' and if having any trouble, feel free to ask..
Smile

cya!

Wakeboard K-Fed · Posted: Aug 07, 2008 3:19 pm Post subject:

big slick, it depends on what you say as pretty beginner... like cant clear the wake beginner or what. You may need to edge harder and wait for the wake to pop you up then flip cause you maybe just hucking a tanrum from the trough of the wake with no pop at all and thats why you are not making it all the way around.

Epic · Addict Joined: 21 Aug 2005 Posts: 765

most people (myself included) struggle with waiting on tantrums. when youre learning, just remember to wait longer than you think. dont start squaring up until youre headed up the wake. not only will that help you land them but it will look like an entirely different trick than a tantrum hucked too soon.

big slick · Newbie Joined: 27 Jul 2008 Posts: 5 City: greenville

thanks for the help. yeah, i clear both of the wakes regularly but i was under the impression that for the tantrum, i had to let up on my edge enough for it to be parallel to the wake.

what yall are saying definitely makes sense. ill just try them with sharper progressive edges and see what happens.

Epic · Addict Joined: 21 Aug 2005 Posts: 765

kevoLFwake · Outlaw Joined: 17 Jul 2008 Posts: 132

remember to square off at the wake, but not too much. EPIC is right you get a lot more time in the air. Also pop straight up. dont start flippin back immediately or while you are hittin the wake. you will loose all your pop. And when you pop off the wake stand straight up, dont begin to throw yourself back right away... so straight up then use your momentum and commit. feels good

flyingcajun13 · Criminal Joined: 14 Jul 2008 Posts: 57 City: Lake Charles

i just started riding a little over a month now, i can do a few tricks nothing special though. ive been trying tantrums for a little over a week and a half, i can get all the way around and land on my feet but cant seem to ride it out.