So is this pandering or what?

jryoung · Ladies Man Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose

So Mr. McCain was not once, but twice against Bush's tax cuts

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91544414

But McCain's greatest act of apostasy came during the first year of Bush's presidency, when he was one of two Senate Republicans to vote against the president's $1.3 trillion tax cut package.

Two years later, on the day before the U.S. invaded Iraq, McCain declared on the Senate floor that he could not vote for a second package of tax cuts worth $350 billion, most of which went to wealthy investors.

"I cannot in good conscience vote in favor of tax cuts irrespective of their size or to which segment of the population they are targeted," he said.

Now, not only is he going to continue these tax cuts in which he could not "in good conscience" vote for but he is also proposing new tax cuts. Funny what people will do for a vote.

(full disclosure: I'm most likely voting for McCain)

Chales · Guest

Why would you vote for McCain when you could vote for someone like Obama?

pyrocasto · Posted: Jun 16, 2008 7:40 am Post subject:

Why would I vote for Obama either? Confused

Commodore · Ladies Man Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 11636

Chales, that's like asking.....

"Why would you kill yourself with a pistol, when you can use a shotgun?"

End result is the same. Mr. Green

eeven73 · Posted: Jun 16, 2008 7:57 am Post subject:

microman · Posted: Jun 16, 2008 8:51 am Post subject:

McCain has to attract independent voters that are tired of GWB yet at the same time keep the base happy. With his foreign policy pretty much a carbon copy of Bush's, and little dissent elsewhere from recent Republican policies, it's clear which group he's decided to court.

So much for the "maverick".

goofyboy · Posted: Jun 16, 2008 8:51 am Post subject:

Because Obama will raise the capital gains tax. i am tired of being punished for working hard and saving my money. increase the capital gains tax and i get punished for making money. it is complete bullsh!t.

J-Ro · Posted: Jun 16, 2008 9:36 am Post subject:

goofyboy, A lot of what Obama wants to do is complete bullsh!t.

nmballa · Posted: Jun 16, 2008 9:59 am Post subject:

I honestly don't know what I will do come election day. I think both candidates are so far to either side that they are both about equally worthless. Well atleast in my eyes. Can't we have someone in the middle of the road

McCain's stance on abortion, guns, gay rights are completely against my own. So naturally I look towards Obama. Nope, Obama seems to want to punish anyone who has managed to make a good living for one self. Why should the rich be taxed more than someone else. The wealthy utilize the same services that the middle class does. They drive on the same roads. I don't think success should be punished. And the inheritance tax. That is complete stuff as well. Props to Bush for knocking that one down a peg. Why should the government feel the right to tax someone who is dead at twice the normal rate of the living. It destroys small independently owned buisnesses. Not sure if Obama is planning on repealing this one but I think its a safe bet to assume so. One good thing is the mass appeal obama has with the rest of the world. It will be an instant uplift for the USA in world popularity. Half the people on this board will say well who cares what the rest of the world thinks. And quite frankly that is the ignorant half of this board.

Ok rant over. Just frustrated with how fregan inefficient government is. I say privatize the whole damn thing. Atleast maybe we can get some descent goddamn roads then.

ohsix · Posted: Jun 16, 2008 10:06 am Post subject:

I've been a McCain supporter for a long time, but he's not making it easy for me by pandering to ignorant voters. I still like him a lot better than Obama, but if he continues to lose my support at this pace, I'll probably just vote for an independant in November.

Tbonez · Posted: Jun 16, 2008 10:15 am Post subject:

I consider it a privilege to vote...I vote in every election from the Sheriffs election all the way up to the Presidential.. This is the first election I am sitting out. My vote wont be responsible for putting either one of those goofs in office...

nmballa · Posted: Jun 16, 2008 10:19 am Post subject:

Tbonez, I'm having the same debate. Atleast I would feel guilt free when everything goes to hell.

Off topic was anyone aware that the government now employs over 30% of the workforce. I read this somewhere the other day. Can't recall. Now that is one hell of a scary statistic. No wonder the damn system is so inefficient.

ohsix · Posted: Jun 16, 2008 10:22 am Post subject:

Tbonez, you could vote for an independant in an effort to get away from the 2 party system. It's highly unlikely that an independant will win, but more votes sends a positive signal.

RampageWake · Posted: Jun 16, 2008 10:43 am Post subject:

Tbonez · Posted: Jun 16, 2008 10:52 am Post subject:

Tbonez · Posted: Jun 16, 2008 11:00 am Post subject:

booby bunny · Posted: Jun 16, 2008 11:03 am Post subject:

You mean the estate tax?

jryoung · Ladies Man Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose

RampageWake · Posted: Jun 16, 2008 12:20 pm Post subject:

booby bunny, I meant the death tax, but obviously it is synonymous with estate tax.

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

booby bunny, there isn't enough room here to go in to that. Not to mention, I really can't.

There are many viable estate-tax reduction strategies. Having a trust is mostly a probate-avoidance mechanism though (another costly exercise, probate).

Finding a good team is a must. Attorney, CPA, and Financial Advisor. We have all 3 in one office.

Zach M · Posted: Jun 16, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject:

Zach M · Posted: Jun 16, 2008 12:47 pm Post subject:

I am glad that other people see the problems with Obama. Living in Seattle is rough for us conservatives (notice I didn't call myself a republican). Obama is a god here, and if you don't believe that then you are ignorant.

I don't necessarily love McCain either. Once again, we are choosing between the lesser of two evils. However, I don't believe that raising taxes and increasing the power of the government is a good thing. I think I can do a damn good job of taking care of myself, I don't need the government telling me how I should do that.

I'm with Tbonez, I like the fact that Ron Paul is pushing to get back to our roots. I think his ideas are pretty radical, but we need a shock to our system right now. Both Democrats and Republicans are heading in the wrong direction.

booby bunny · Posted: Jun 16, 2008 2:14 pm Post subject:

RampageWake, What I was trying to get you to admit, is that there is no "death tax."

The conservatives spun the estate tax, which sounds like what it is... a tax on the wealthy estates, into the "death tax" which sounds like something Joe Blow or anyone in the morgue would have to pay.

J-Ro · Posted: Jun 16, 2008 3:00 pm Post subject:

I just read McCain's book. I don't necessarily agree with all his views but the way he has lived his life is exactly how I would want a President. Mistakes? Yes. High moral character because of them? Yes.

Dragonlady8 · Black Widow Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 9198

I thought Ron Paul was on the verge of dropping out?

Skwake · Posted: Jun 16, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject:

Dave W · Posted: Jun 16, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject:

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nmballa · Posted: Jun 17, 2008 5:49 am Post subject:

booby bunny, how do you not consider it a death tax. Its a rediculously high tax on someones estate simply becouse that individual had made a success of themselves while alive. Sure there are ways to work around it but those methods have a high cost. I think it is completely unjust.

I think I'll be casting my vote with McCain. I would love to go with Ron Paul but I think its a waste of a vote.

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

microman, but as we've seen, the group that gets courted doesn't necessarily mean the group that is going to get their wishes.

8824 · Posted: Jun 17, 2008 6:18 am Post subject:

8824 · Posted: Jun 17, 2008 6:21 am Post subject:

microman · Posted: Jun 17, 2008 8:03 am Post subject:

goofyboy · Posted: Jun 17, 2008 9:05 am Post subject:

i wouldn't have a problem with taxes being raised to pay for military campaigns, IF they were raised AFTER all of the other crap was cut out. There is tremendous waste in the gov't. There are so many riders on bills that it has gotten out of hand. By that point, the hit would not be so large on the tax payers.