Don't run from the PoPo in Ohio

chaz28o · Posted: Sep 30, 2007 5:08 pm Post subject: Don't run from the PoPo in Ohio

http://www.officer.com/videonetwork/index.jsp?showid=378811

dmb · Posted: Sep 30, 2007 6:13 pm Post subject:

OK now so I have no idea about the law in Ohio, but to me it doesn't really seem that necessary for the cop to get his gun off into the guy... I mean, sure the guy seemed to have the passengers life at risk, but I'd say with three cop cars around him, they would have had the situation under a reasonable amount of control...

nmballa · Posted: Sep 30, 2007 6:20 pm Post subject:

WOW

I guessing that guy didn't live.

ontrider · Ladies Man Joined: 30 Jul 2003 Posts: 16491 City: Russia

dmb · Posted: Sep 30, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject:

No, he didn't... And all three officers who fired their weapons are on "administrative leave", is that a mandatory off time after firing your gun at someone? Or leave while the option of reprimand is still possible?

ontrider · Ladies Man Joined: 30 Jul 2003 Posts: 16491 City: Russia

You tell me.

nmballa · Posted: Sep 30, 2007 6:31 pm Post subject:

ontrider, on this one I will have to agree with you. Although killing him may have been a bit excessive he was putting that officers life at risk when he tried to pull away with the officer on the hood. I'm guessing that it was a justified shooting.

nmballa · Posted: Sep 30, 2007 6:34 pm Post subject:

dmb, I think that is standard procedure after discharging a fire arm. I'm guessing your familiar with the case? Did the guy live or is he dead. Did he have a gun?

dmb · Posted: Sep 30, 2007 7:00 pm Post subject:

I'm only familiar from reading the news report which is linked from clicking on the video... And no, the guy didn't live, and as for him carrying a gun, I don't believe so, well at least it didn't say so in the report.

ontrider, are you saying that the car would be classed as a deadly weapon? If so, then I guess yeah the law would call for deadly force.

And from what I saw, the only way the two officers would have been injured would have been from their own ramming of the stolen car...

Reckless Endangerment of the passenger could come into play, but is that dealt with with deadly force?

ontrider · Ladies Man Joined: 30 Jul 2003 Posts: 16491 City: Russia

Yes I am, but I'd wait until our heavyweight legal opinions on here weigh in, before we're too decisive on anything.

chaz28o · Posted: Sep 30, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject:

JV · Posted: Sep 30, 2007 7:10 pm Post subject:

I don't want to question the shooting (I wasn't there, and the video leaves some holes), but the action that led to the shooting was suspect. Had the officer not jumped on the hood, he would not have feared for his life, and he would not have had to shoot the driver point blank. Once he was on the hood, I don't blame him for shooting a guy who was likely about to floor it (based on the chase so far and the driver not stopping even when other officers were [presumably] shooting at his tires) and put the officer's life at great risk. The shooting itself was understandable, but he should have never been on the hood, practically forcing a life or death decision. No one would have died had the officer remained on the ground.

...if he jumped on the hood intending to get a direct shot at the driver, then that's a whole 'nother story.

J.M.B · Posted: Sep 30, 2007 7:12 pm Post subject:

wtf was he doing on the hood of the car to begin with?

thats just stupidity to jump on the hood of a car thats trying to get away!!

i hope that cop gets his ass sued and he goes to jail.

what if that was like a 15-16 yeah old kid who just made a bad decision? his life's over bcause some officer is a dip shi+

ontrider · Ladies Man Joined: 30 Jul 2003 Posts: 16491 City: Russia

kdip · Posted: Sep 30, 2007 8:07 pm Post subject:

J.M.B · Posted: Sep 30, 2007 8:38 pm Post subject:

there are much better solutions that could have been implimented.
example

when they had him cornerd, instead of the cop jumping on the hood they could have shot out the tires, shot him in the arm, road spikes ext...

deadly force should only be used when an officers life was in danger,

from that video, the cop put his own life in danger by not keeping his distance of the suspect. the suspect was in my best opinion not threatening any officers life at that point. and even then it was very easy for him to get off the hood, the vehicle wasnt going fast at all. from the video the cops mind was set on killing the suspect regardless.

and ramming a cop car at low speed like in the video dosent warrent being shot 3 times to death, very very poor judgement calls on the police

Dragonlady8 · Black Widow Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 9198

You have to put yourself in the positon of the cops. Can't trust video since it doesn't provide the entire scenario/situation. ( no I didn't watch this video)

Hmmmmm........ let me think about this one......... since people are becoming much bolder and violent with interactions with authority lately.......

To be maimed or be maimed/ kill or be killed......... personally I'd rather live if I were working for the law.

Domestic violence is an example. Call goes , cops arrive thinking all they need to do it talk to the offender. Instead they are getting shot ........

ontrider · Ladies Man Joined: 30 Jul 2003 Posts: 16491 City: Russia

So if he continued on and killed a mother and 2 kids in another car or something, would that be a lack of judgement on the cops part for not stopping him when they had the chance? Or should the family sue the cops then too?

Back to your other argument about ramming them. If I drove my car at a police officer, I'd wager it's pretty likely I would get shot.

Dragonlady8 · Black Widow Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 9198

Isn't using a car to ram for getting away considered use of a deadly weapon?

ontrider · Ladies Man Joined: 30 Jul 2003 Posts: 16491 City: Russia

I already said that in my first post. Nobody listens to me. It's criminals rights day here on wb.com Laughing

J.M.B · Posted: Sep 30, 2007 8:53 pm Post subject:

i guess attitudes in the states are different then in canada,.

i belive that a cop should only fire upon someone unless there is IMMEDIATE danger to them or someone else

all i hear is what if what if,

do you shoot someone then ask questions later? what if they shot the tires out first then he gave up? he would be alive still

Dragonlady8 · Black Widow Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 9198

ontrider, sorry but you didn't put in bold print. Laughing

They guy already threatened the cops by ramming his car in to theirs. I don't know about you, but getting hit with an automobile isn't like getting hit with a wet nerf ball. Wink

dmb · Posted: Sep 30, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject:

lowdrag · Outlaw Joined: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 188

pyrocasto · Posted: Oct 01, 2007 3:04 am Post subject:

"A driver was killed and two officers were injured Tuesday after a police chase and shooting."

That about sums it up. I understand bad choices, but some choices weight out more than others. I think if I were one of the cops I would have done the same thing. A vehicle is a deadly weapon. If you dont think of it that way trying riding a motorcycle for a short amount of time. Wink

Add liquor and lack of a brain and you have the worst choice of your life.

Rhawn · Posted: Oct 01, 2007 5:00 am Post subject:

If you've watched any amount of COPS or World's Deadliest Police chases Laughing

, you know when you use your car against a cop its a weapon and they shoot you. Simple.