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PostPosted: Jul 29, 2014 3:19 pm    Post subject: John Kerry Reply with quote

Does he hate Israel?

Does he love Hamas?

Wtf is he doing?

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PostPosted: Jul 30, 2014 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What has he done? I haven't been following. I've been more interested in how Iraq is falling apart after our involvement there.
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PostPosted: Jul 30, 2014 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last I knew he was attempting to broker a cease-fire between the two which Israel rejected. Israel was apparently butthurt because Kerry didn't issue a condemnation of what the Turkish PM said.

I do know that Israel, in response to Hamas rocket fire, has hit far too many sites where innocent people have been killed. Hamas is throwing dumb rockets back at Israel in response, and the wheels on the bus go round and round.

I don't think either side really has the moral high ground in the current conflict. This back-and-forth of you lob missiles at us and we will lob them back needs to stop on both sides. Neither side is hitting their intended targets with much precision...

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PostPosted: Jul 30, 2014 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/david-ignatius-john-kerrys-big-blunder-in-seeking-an-israel-gaza-cease-fire/2014/07/28/ab3fbfd2-1686-11e4-9349-84d4a85be981_story.html


Well he has Hamas(a terrorist organization) negotiating at the same level as Israel

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PostPosted: Jul 30, 2014 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Israel/Palestine conflict summed up in under 4 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY

Edit...is the You Tube embedding broken?

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PostPosted: Jul 30, 2014 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eeven73, Hamas is entrenched as the leadership in Palestine. They will have to be dealt with as an entity, like one would deal with a political group.
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PostPosted: Jul 30, 2014 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hamas is not a terroist organization from the people of Palestine's point of view. Just because we label someone as a terrorist, doesn't mean they are in the eyes of everyone else. They are part of the government. Israel has to deal with them in that manner.
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PostPosted: Jul 30, 2014 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brilliant.

Al Quaeda isn't a terrorist organization from there own viewpoint either

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PostPosted: Jul 30, 2014 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They aren't. I'm not sure what your point is. I really don't understand why them being labeled a terrorist organization matters. They are part of the group in power in Palestine. Who cares what we call them.
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PostPosted: Jul 30, 2014 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because we don't negotiate with terrorists? Neutral

Anyhow, they are part of the Palestinian Authority. A political group, if you will.

The difference between them and something like the Tea Party is they use their guns on things other than beer cans and varmints. Wink

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PostPosted: Jul 30, 2014 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

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The State Department decided to add Hamas to its U.S. State Department list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations in April 1993.[4] As of 2009, Hamas is still listed[/code]

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PostPosted: Jul 30, 2014 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Because we don't negotiate with terrorists? Neutral

Anyhow, they are part of the Palestinian Authority. A political group, if you will.

The difference between them and something like the Tea Party is they use their guns on things other than beer cans and varmints. Wink


Really,

Thats the difference between Hamas and the Tea Party.


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PostPosted: Jul 30, 2014 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eeven73, to his point though, within Palestine they are not considered "terrorists" they are a political group that is in power.

If that group is calling the shots, we really need to have the dialog with them, not the middleman.

Doesn't mean we need to remove them from the FTO or OFAC or any other lists of organizations we feel are hostile.

At this time, ignoring their legitimacy is kind of pointless.

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PostPosted: Jul 30, 2014 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eeven73 wrote:

Really,

Thats the difference between Hamas and the Tea Party.


Rolling Eyes


Geez, tough crowd! Laughing

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PostPosted: Jul 30, 2014 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My point is Kerry is courting Hamas and pissing off Israel.

Make sense of that for me. We value Hamas as an important ally in the region Confused

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PostPosted: Jul 30, 2014 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another, more serious video viewpoint on the ME.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EDW88CBo-8

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PostPosted: Jul 31, 2014 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eeven73, at this point I think Israel needs to check themselves. They can't function without us, so "pissing them off" should fall somewhere between "don't give a single fcuk" and "cry me a river".

The deal that should be made needs to be between the parties involved. The sooner the better. The more images that come out of Gaza of blown up UN schools, the more recruits and money Hamas get for their efforts.

Considering that the UN is pointing the finger at the Israelis and not calling it an inside job this is not positive for Israel for so, so many reasons.

I'm sorry, but I am extremely disappointed and frustrated with Israel at this point it's not even funny. They have hit TWO UN schools. TWO. They were even told the EXACT location of the school.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=48369

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PostPosted: Jul 31, 2014 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm seeing a lot of conflicting information on whose rockets are landing where. There were stories the other day about a Gaza hospital and refugee camp that was initially blamed on Israel, but found later to be Hamas.

Seems there may be some misinformation and propaganda going on, mixed in with all this.

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PostPosted: Jul 31, 2014 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Israel claims and has released video they say shows Hamas launching rockets from UN schools, so.....


I agree it is a mess, I personally don't agree with the administrations tact on Hamas, and specifically shake my head at Kerry's repeated Bubb Rubb.

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PostPosted: Jul 31, 2014 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eeven73, so... the "impartial" party says their investigators call it artillery fire from the Israeli side.

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According to an initial assessment, Israeli artillery on at least three occasions hit an UNRWA school where 3,300 people were seeking refuge. While the agency says it is too early to provide a death toll, there are at least 16 civilians believed to be dead, and several, including to women and children, and to UNRWA guards trying to protect the site.


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“The precise location of the Jabalia Elementary Girls School and the fact that it was housing thousands of internally displaced people was communicated to the Israeli army seventeen times, to ensure its protection,” Mr. Krähenbühl said, “the last being at ten to nine last night, just hours before the fatal shelling.”


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Speaking to journalists alongside Mr. Eliasson, John Ging, Operations Director at the Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA), clarified that the rockets found were in schools abandoned by the UN due to the intensity of the conflict in those areas, and thanks to the due diligence and the investigative approach taken by the UN.

“When they are in control of the school they can [be assured] that it is free of weapons and no one with arms is allowed in the school,” Mr. Ging said.


We can mock the UN's ability to do things all we want, but I definitely am inclined to believe them over the Israelis right now.

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PostPosted: Jul 31, 2014 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does the fact that the destruction of Israel is in the charter of Hamas bother you at all in regards to recognizing them as a legitimate negotiating partner?

Is it plausible that Hamas will live in peace with Israel given the above?

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PostPosted: Jul 31, 2014 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's sad to me is that Israel simply wants to be able to have the right to exist as a nation. All these conflicts stem from the fact the Arab community doesn't think they should have that right. If the Arab community stopped trying to take that away, I bet there would be peace.
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PostPosted: Jul 31, 2014 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are overplaying the Hamas charter card.

It is plausible that they both sides could stand down, even if temporarily. This might give time for a longer-lasting peace to be established. The tensions between the two will not stop, but violence can. Their problems will not be solved anytime soon, but lobbing rockets back and forth just makes it worse.

Israel is only making Hamas stronger under their current trajectory, and severely damaging their own credibility.

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PostPosted: Jul 31, 2014 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with chavez, Israel needs to stop defending itself, if they stopped defending themselves Hamas and the other crazies will eventually stop terrorizing their nation...of course there would be nothing left but thats another discussion I guess
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PostPosted: Jul 31, 2014 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brilliant.

There is a massive difference between defending yourself, and blowing up TWO UN SCHOOLS FILLED WITH CHILDREN AND OTHER NON-COMBATANTS.

Israel has a right to defend itself. It just needs to make a hell of a lot better effort of defending itself by attacking the combatants. Right now they look like Metta World Peace attacking some random dude at the Palace. Neutral

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PostPosted: Jul 31, 2014 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Jul 31, 2014 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^exactly


well maybe not "exact" Laughing

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PostPosted: Jul 31, 2014 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

72 hour truce coming... Agreed to by Israel and guess who... Hamas.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/01/us-mideast-gaza-idUSKBN0G008720140801

They have also agreed to meet in Cairo to work out a longer cease fire. Israel is obviously going, and Hamas, Fatah, and Islamic Jihad are all going to attend as the Palestinian delegation.

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PostPosted: Aug 01, 2014 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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72 hour truce coming... Agreed to by Israel and guess who... Hamas.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/01/us-mideast-gaza-idUSKBN0G008720140801

They have also agreed to meet in Cairo to work out a longer cease fire. Israel is obviously going, and Hamas, Fatah, and Islamic Jihad are all going to attend as the Palestinian delegation.


Truce broken in 2 hrs by guess who......Hamas.

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PostPosted: Aug 01, 2014 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could see that coming for miles and miles.
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PostPosted: Sep 12, 2014 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://reason.com/blog/2014/09/12/warnot-war-is-john-kerry-as-stupid-as-he


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"War is the wrong terminology and analogy?"

That's beyond sad—it's insulting to the intelligence of us all.

And, more important, it's the sort of doublespeak whose obfuscations pave the way to greater and greater involvement while pretending the exact opposite.

If what Obama says we're about to do in Iraq and Syria to ISIS isn't war, then why not send "boots on the ground," as former CIA and NSA director Michael Hayden and a growing chorus of elected officials are calling for? Why did Obama argue last year that he needed congressional authorization to do the same thing to Syria?


Sums it up

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PostPosted: Sep 12, 2014 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Posting over in the Syria thread i was reminded some of Kerry's SOS shenanigans there.

I thank god in heaven that man wasn't elected President.

What a dipshit.

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they are all dipshits, man.
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PostPosted: Nov 25, 2014 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Add Iran to the list of JK fukc ups.
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