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eeven73 PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
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Posted: Jul 29, 2014 3:19 pm Post subject: John Kerry |
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Does he hate Israel?
Does he love Hamas?
Wtf is he doing? _________________ Is President Obama a Keynesian? |
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goofyboy Wakeboarder.com Freak
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Posted: Jul 30, 2014 4:55 am Post subject: |
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What has he done? I haven't been following. I've been more interested in how Iraq is falling apart after our involvement there. _________________ Work SUX! |
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chavez Ladies Man
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Posted: Jul 30, 2014 6:28 am Post subject: |
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Last I knew he was attempting to broker a cease-fire between the two which Israel rejected. Israel was apparently butthurt because Kerry didn't issue a condemnation of what the Turkish PM said.
I do know that Israel, in response to Hamas rocket fire, has hit far too many sites where innocent people have been killed. Hamas is throwing dumb rockets back at Israel in response, and the wheels on the bus go round and round.
I don't think either side really has the moral high ground in the current conflict. This back-and-forth of you lob missiles at us and we will lob them back needs to stop on both sides. Neither side is hitting their intended targets with much precision... _________________
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eeven73 PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
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Okie Boarder Ladies Man
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Posted: Jul 30, 2014 7:09 am Post subject: |
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Israel/Palestine conflict summed up in under 4 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY
Edit...is the You Tube embedding broken? _________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? |
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chavez Ladies Man
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Posted: Jul 30, 2014 8:01 am Post subject: |
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eeven73, Hamas is entrenched as the leadership in Palestine. They will have to be dealt with as an entity, like one would deal with a political group. _________________
Quote: | That's Mr. Gingermex to you a$$hole. |
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goofyboy Wakeboarder.com Freak
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Posted: Jul 30, 2014 8:07 am Post subject: |
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Hamas is not a terroist organization from the people of Palestine's point of view. Just because we label someone as a terrorist, doesn't mean they are in the eyes of everyone else. They are part of the government. Israel has to deal with them in that manner. _________________ Work SUX! |
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eeven73 PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
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Posted: Jul 30, 2014 8:31 am Post subject: |
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Brilliant.
Al Quaeda isn't a terrorist organization from there own viewpoint either _________________ Is President Obama a Keynesian? |
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goofyboy Wakeboarder.com Freak
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Posted: Jul 30, 2014 8:40 am Post subject: |
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They aren't. I'm not sure what your point is. I really don't understand why them being labeled a terrorist organization matters. They are part of the group in power in Palestine. Who cares what we call them. _________________ Work SUX! |
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chavez Ladies Man
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Posted: Jul 30, 2014 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Because we don't negotiate with terrorists?
Anyhow, they are part of the Palestinian Authority. A political group, if you will.
The difference between them and something like the Tea Party is they use their guns on things other than beer cans and varmints. _________________
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eeven73 PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
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Posted: Jul 30, 2014 9:12 am Post subject: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
Quote: | The State Department decided to add Hamas to its U.S. State Department list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations in April 1993.[4] As of 2009, Hamas is still listed[/code] |
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eeven73 PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
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Posted: Jul 30, 2014 9:13 am Post subject: |
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chavez wrote: | Because we don't negotiate with terrorists?
Anyhow, they are part of the Palestinian Authority. A political group, if you will.
The difference between them and something like the Tea Party is they use their guns on things other than beer cans and varmints. |
Really,
Thats the difference between Hamas and the Tea Party.
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chavez Ladies Man
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Posted: Jul 30, 2014 9:18 am Post subject: |
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eeven73, to his point though, within Palestine they are not considered "terrorists" they are a political group that is in power.
If that group is calling the shots, we really need to have the dialog with them, not the middleman.
Doesn't mean we need to remove them from the FTO or OFAC or any other lists of organizations we feel are hostile.
At this time, ignoring their legitimacy is kind of pointless. _________________
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chavez Ladies Man
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Posted: Jul 30, 2014 9:19 am Post subject: |
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eeven73 wrote: |
Really,
Thats the difference between Hamas and the Tea Party.
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Geez, tough crowd! _________________
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eeven73 PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
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Posted: Jul 30, 2014 9:30 am Post subject: |
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My point is Kerry is courting Hamas and pissing off Israel.
Make sense of that for me. We value Hamas as an important ally in the region _________________ Is President Obama a Keynesian? |
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Okie Boarder Ladies Man
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chavez Ladies Man
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Posted: Jul 31, 2014 6:39 am Post subject: |
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eeven73, at this point I think Israel needs to check themselves. They can't function without us, so "pissing them off" should fall somewhere between "don't give a single fcuk" and "cry me a river".
The deal that should be made needs to be between the parties involved. The sooner the better. The more images that come out of Gaza of blown up UN schools, the more recruits and money Hamas get for their efforts.
Considering that the UN is pointing the finger at the Israelis and not calling it an inside job this is not positive for Israel for so, so many reasons.
I'm sorry, but I am extremely disappointed and frustrated with Israel at this point it's not even funny. They have hit TWO UN schools. TWO. They were even told the EXACT location of the school.
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=48369 _________________
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Okie Boarder Ladies Man
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Posted: Jul 31, 2014 6:55 am Post subject: |
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I'm seeing a lot of conflicting information on whose rockets are landing where. There were stories the other day about a Gaza hospital and refugee camp that was initially blamed on Israel, but found later to be Hamas.
Seems there may be some misinformation and propaganda going on, mixed in with all this. _________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? |
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eeven73 PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
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Posted: Jul 31, 2014 7:20 am Post subject: |
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Israel claims and has released video they say shows Hamas launching rockets from UN schools, so.....
I agree it is a mess, I personally don't agree with the administrations tact on Hamas, and specifically shake my head at Kerry's repeated Bubb Rubb. _________________ Is President Obama a Keynesian? |
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chavez Ladies Man
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Posted: Jul 31, 2014 8:03 am Post subject: |
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eeven73, so... the "impartial" party says their investigators call it artillery fire from the Israeli side.
Quote: | According to an initial assessment, Israeli artillery on at least three occasions hit an UNRWA school where 3,300 people were seeking refuge. While the agency says it is too early to provide a death toll, there are at least 16 civilians believed to be dead, and several, including to women and children, and to UNRWA guards trying to protect the site. |
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Quote: | “The precise location of the Jabalia Elementary Girls School and the fact that it was housing thousands of internally displaced people was communicated to the Israeli army seventeen times, to ensure its protection,” Mr. Krähenbühl said, “the last being at ten to nine last night, just hours before the fatal shelling.” |
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Quote: | Speaking to journalists alongside Mr. Eliasson, John Ging, Operations Director at the Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA), clarified that the rockets found were in schools abandoned by the UN due to the intensity of the conflict in those areas, and thanks to the due diligence and the investigative approach taken by the UN.
“When they are in control of the school they can [be assured] that it is free of weapons and no one with arms is allowed in the school,” Mr. Ging said. |
We can mock the UN's ability to do things all we want, but I definitely am inclined to believe them over the Israelis right now. _________________
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eeven73 PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
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Posted: Jul 31, 2014 8:12 am Post subject: |
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Does the fact that the destruction of Israel is in the charter of Hamas bother you at all in regards to recognizing them as a legitimate negotiating partner?
Is it plausible that Hamas will live in peace with Israel given the above? _________________ Is President Obama a Keynesian? |
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Okie Boarder Ladies Man
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Posted: Jul 31, 2014 8:25 am Post subject: |
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What's sad to me is that Israel simply wants to be able to have the right to exist as a nation. All these conflicts stem from the fact the Arab community doesn't think they should have that right. If the Arab community stopped trying to take that away, I bet there would be peace. _________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? |
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chavez Ladies Man
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Posted: Jul 31, 2014 8:35 am Post subject: |
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You are overplaying the Hamas charter card.
It is plausible that they both sides could stand down, even if temporarily. This might give time for a longer-lasting peace to be established. The tensions between the two will not stop, but violence can. Their problems will not be solved anytime soon, but lobbing rockets back and forth just makes it worse.
Israel is only making Hamas stronger under their current trajectory, and severely damaging their own credibility. _________________
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jgriffith Wakeboarder.Commie
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Posted: Jul 31, 2014 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with chavez, Israel needs to stop defending itself, if they stopped defending themselves Hamas and the other crazies will eventually stop terrorizing their nation...of course there would be nothing left but thats another discussion I guess |
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chavez Ladies Man
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Posted: Jul 31, 2014 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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Brilliant.
There is a massive difference between defending yourself, and blowing up TWO UN SCHOOLS FILLED WITH CHILDREN AND OTHER NON-COMBATANTS.
Israel has a right to defend itself. It just needs to make a hell of a lot better effort of defending itself by attacking the combatants. Right now they look like Metta World Peace attacking some random dude at the Palace. _________________
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Posted: Jul 31, 2014 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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_________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? |
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eeven73 PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
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Posted: Jul 31, 2014 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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^exactly
well maybe not "exact" _________________ Is President Obama a Keynesian? |
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chavez Ladies Man
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Posted: Jul 31, 2014 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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72 hour truce coming... Agreed to by Israel and guess who... Hamas.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/01/us-mideast-gaza-idUSKBN0G008720140801
They have also agreed to meet in Cairo to work out a longer cease fire. Israel is obviously going, and Hamas, Fatah, and Islamic Jihad are all going to attend as the Palestinian delegation. _________________
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eeven73 PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
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Posted: Aug 01, 2014 6:37 am Post subject: |
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Truce broken in 2 hrs by guess who......Hamas. _________________ Is President Obama a Keynesian? |
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Okie Boarder Ladies Man
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Posted: Aug 01, 2014 7:53 am Post subject: |
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Could see that coming for miles and miles. _________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? |
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eeven73 PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
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Posted: Sep 12, 2014 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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http://reason.com/blog/2014/09/12/warnot-war-is-john-kerry-as-stupid-as-he
Quote: | "War is the wrong terminology and analogy?"
That's beyond sad—it's insulting to the intelligence of us all.
And, more important, it's the sort of doublespeak whose obfuscations pave the way to greater and greater involvement while pretending the exact opposite.
If what Obama says we're about to do in Iraq and Syria to ISIS isn't war, then why not send "boots on the ground," as former CIA and NSA director Michael Hayden and a growing chorus of elected officials are calling for? Why did Obama argue last year that he needed congressional authorization to do the same thing to Syria? |
Sums it up _________________ Is President Obama a Keynesian? |
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eeven73 PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
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Posted: Sep 12, 2014 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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Posting over in the Syria thread i was reminded some of Kerry's SOS shenanigans there.
I thank god in heaven that man wasn't elected President.
What a dipshit. _________________ Is President Obama a Keynesian? |
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Posted: Sep 13, 2014 4:38 am Post subject: |
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they are all dipshits, man. |
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eeven73 PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
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Posted: Nov 25, 2014 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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Add Iran to the list of JK fukc ups. _________________ Is President Obama a Keynesian? |
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