This guy is a real BAD ASS

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

yeah, that kid with the glasses.

Took down a psycho with a shotgun yesterday, saving who knows how many lives.

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2023779642_spuheroxml.html

Brass f*cking balls kid. Way to go.

Swass · Soul Rider Joined: 27 Oct 2011 Posts: 427

Werd.

eeven73 · Posted: Jun 06, 2014 8:00 am Post subject:

Not to be, "get off my lawn" old guy.

WTF is going on with the Bubb Rubbing gun rampages? I consider my self pro 2nd amendment, but come the Bubb Rubb on people. How can there not be some serious gun control pushed after this stretch?(not that I want it, or think it will do jack to stop problem) Am I just getting old?, or is it really that much more Bubb Rubb up? Unreal!

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

eeven73, it's clearly a mental health issue. The people who yell the loudest on both sides miss the bigger picture, and distract from the real problem. The lack of mental health services and lack of mental health screening is a massive issue. Sane people don't go on killing sprees... using guns, knives, whatev.

Gun nutters: you'll take my guns over my dead body
Anti-gun nutters: you should have precisely zero guns

The real issue: why are the individuals stressed to the point of doing this?

Anyhow, this situation sticks out to me because of how Meis reacted. Cool, calm, collected, and without hesitation. Very "Unforgiven" like.

eeven73 · Posted: Jun 06, 2014 8:23 am Post subject:

That may well be the truth.

What do we do about it? The dude from Santa Barbara was getting all kinds of mental health "help". Make mental health care a mandatory feature in our future single payer system? It's Bubb Rubb, not to go nuts here but I really believe it is a product of our society. Everyone thinks there so Bubb Rubbing special that the world needs to be appraised of there bowel movements on Twitter. I guess we have had it too good for too long that this is a possibility even in sick peoples minds. Why didn't this happen 20 years ago?(remotely as often)

And good on the kid who took him down. Amazing.

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

Definitely well done.

Mental issues are the core problem here, and yes that is not what is being put in our faces on the news, etc.

IIRC correctly, we stopped allowing force institutionalizing in the 60's? Is that right, or was it earlier than that?

Anyway, I think that is one of the factors at play, IMO. Also, how many kids are being diagnosed with disorders they don't really have, then given drugs that screw them up? How many aren't being diagnosed because the family perceives a certain stigma?

eeven73 · Posted: Jun 06, 2014 8:46 am Post subject:

good luck with getting "forced instituionaliztion" back in the "acceptable" answers to this problem list.

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

I think one thing that probably needs to be done, is a mental health screen when buying firearms. There is no stomach for that currently, but the people committing the rampages are purchasing legally. From VT to Sandy Hook to the Naval Yard to Ft. Hood to the CO theaters to LAX to SB - all legal purchases. You have exactly one opportunity to stop a crazy from legally obtaining a firearm.

Now, the counter is that they will just go black market or steal them. IDK about that, it seems to me these crazies are otherwise normal, and may not go that route. Maybe they'll just jump off a bridge instead. Or maybe they will get in that other WMD (aka a car/truck) and take out a bunch of people that way. I dunno. I want to think it will be like the TSA and the possibility of getting outed at the airport (a deterrent), but I don't know.

What I do know, is it is irresponsible to not at least try.

eeven73 · Posted: Jun 06, 2014 9:29 am Post subject:

Were the Sandy Hook guns not bought by the mother?

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

eeven73, not 100% sure, but I believe so. The point was they were obtained legally. It wouldn't be 100% effective, nothing is.

eeven73 · Posted: Jun 06, 2014 10:25 am Post subject:

IMPO the only 3 ways it is stopped are

1.) Ban and Reposses all guns.

2.) The Media stops reporting/sensationalizing the future events.

3.) Large societal changes.

Ciffsnotes: Were Screwed.

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

I just can't see the screening as being effective, except to open the door for more limitations on the average joe. It also allows a huge opportunity for State control of our rights that we should be very careful about.

IMO, there are too many variables for it to be even slightly successful. Are you going to screen people regularly, after they buy the weapon? Do the kids get screened when the parents buy a gun? Who does the screening and what standard do they follow? Just a few questions that hit me right away.

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microman · Posted: Jun 06, 2014 2:21 pm Post subject:

Only speculation on my part, but it seems like a "mass shooting spree" is a "thing" that mentally ill people with sociopathic tendencies see as something that they can do. The more it happens the more that idea is reinforced in their mind. It's unrealistic of course to expect the media not to sensationalize these events, let alone report on them. Mental health services are often blamed but if a person has only subtle signs of mental instability, are we as a society willing to start institutionalizing people like they might have done 100 years ago? That also seems unlikely.

Not too far from where I am, there was just a massive 30-hour manhunt for a guy who shot 5 police officers. The guy's facebook page was littered with postings about anti-police, pro-gun, anti-government paranoia and although these should have been troubling signs, he hadn't legally done anything wrong before Wednesday.

I guess I've started to see these events as very unfortunate products of our society that are not easily eliminated without giving up some part of our privacy and freedom. IOW I just don't know what the answer is.

goofyboy · Posted: Jun 09, 2014 3:57 am Post subject:

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

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microman · Posted: Jun 09, 2014 3:40 pm Post subject:

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

I see no paranoia on his page. Maybe those posts got deleted already?

microman · Posted: Jun 10, 2014 8:57 am Post subject:

E.J. · Ladies Man Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 7597 City: Mogadishu

E.J. · Ladies Man Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 7597 City: Mogadishu

Yep, looks like that is the case....

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/08/2-police-officers-shot-in-las-vegas/

The duo then left the restaurant and walked over to a nearby Walmart, where Jerad Miller fired a shot into the air and told people to get out, shouting that it was “a revolution,” McMahill said.

Bystander Joseph Robert Wilcox, 31, who was carrying a concealed weapon inside the store, spotted Jerad Miller and told a friend he would confront him, according to authorities. As he neared Jerad, he was shot in the ribs by Amanda and later died, McMahill said.

eeven73 · Posted: Jun 10, 2014 9:32 am Post subject:

School shooting this AM in Troutdale, Oregon.

Evil or Very Mad

Craziness out there.

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

Jerad Miller obviously crossed a line; something must have snapped in his head. It's one thing to support legislation and take a stand to protect our rights, but it's a whole other thing to be the aggressor and instigate some sort of "revolution" unwarranted.

eeven73 · Posted: Jun 10, 2014 10:01 am Post subject:

Okie Boarder,

It is unhinged. If the 2nd amendment is real important to you best start donating to the NRA. stuff is going to be changing I would guess. This is why we can't have nice things. Sad

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

The NRA is a joke. They've supported many of the laws that go against the 2nd Amendment.

eeven73 · Posted: Jun 10, 2014 10:47 am Post subject:

So then advise me, exactly who is lobbying for gun rights in America?

microman · Posted: Jun 10, 2014 10:49 am Post subject:

eeven73 · Posted: Jun 10, 2014 10:55 am Post subject:

They endorsed the measure that stopped JQ Public from owning a ThermoNuclear weapon

E.J. · Ladies Man Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 7597 City: Mogadishu

More info. on the civilian victim in Vegas.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/vegas-cop-killers/cost-bravery-vegas-bystander-died-trying-stop-rampage-n127361

I'd have to think that the sheriffs office would prefer that everyone would have exited the building.

Would have been interesting to see what would have happened if they would have went into the WalMart with 2 active shooter(bad guys) and 1 active shooter(good guy)....and how that would have played out.