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PostPosted: Jun 02, 2014 12:25 pm    Post subject: Bowe Bergdahl Reply with quote

This whole release of the soldier for the detainees seemed really strange when the story broke. It really felt like there was more to it. As time is going on and information coming out, it seems that may be the case.

I don't think we should have backed down on the "not negotiating with terrorists" rule. In addition, there was supposed to be approval from congress. This whole thing stinks, IMO.

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President Barack Obama called the release of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl after five years' captivity in Afghanistan "a reminder of America’s unwavering commitment to leave no man or woman in uniform behind on the battlefield," but some of his fellow soldiers are continuing to claim he deserted his post in 2009.

Javier Ortiz, for one. The Army combat medic told the Washington Post he believes Bergdahl should be tried for desertion. Former Sgt. Matt Vierkant, a member of Bergdahl's platoon when he went missing, told CNN, "Bowe Bergdahl deserted during a time of war and his fellow Americans lost their lives searching for him."

And Nathan Bradley Bethea, who served with Bergdahl, wrote that he "was a deserter, and soldiers from his own unit died trying to track him down" in a recent column for the Daily Beast.

Bergdahl was exchanged for five Taliban prisoners from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, on Saturday, after months of negotiation led by the government of Qatar. Republicans, among them specifically Sen. John McCain, questioned whether the U.S. got the best of that deal, referring to the former Gitmo detainees as the "hardest of the hard core."
The circumstances surrounding Bergdahl's capture have been murky for years. Some reports said he was captured while sitting on a makeshift latrine. Others said Bergdahl simply left his post and never returned.
There are also reports of emails Bergdahl sent to his parents before he was captured that express his disillusionment with America's presence in Afghanistan, and that he was considering deserting. Those emails were published by Rolling Stone in 2012, but could not be authenticated by the Associated Press, according to CBS News.

CNN reports that at least six soldiers lost their lives while searching for Bergdahl.

While speaking to reporters on Sunday, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel declined to comment on whether the military would pursue any disciplinary actions against Bergdahl.

"Our first priority is assuring his well-being and his health and getting him reunited with his family," Hagel said. "Other circumstances that may develop and questions — those will be dealt with later."

Follow Mike Krumboltz on Twitter (@mikekrumboltz).


http://news.yahoo.com/some-fellow-soldiers-question-sgt--bergdahl-s-release-134759765.html

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PostPosted: Jun 03, 2014 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you talking about the Guantanamo Bay that Obama shut down on the first day of his presidency and the war in Afghanistan that Obama said all troops would be withdrawn from 2.5 years after he was elected? This must be old news.
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PostPosted: Jun 03, 2014 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The walking away from his unit angle is very weird.

I think it is a certainty that some poor soul is going to get Bubb Rubb hard because of this precedent.

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PostPosted: Jun 03, 2014 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ohsix wrote:
Are you talking about the Guantanamo Bay that Obama shut down on the first day of his presidency and the war in Afghanistan that Obama said all troops would be withdrawn from 2.5 years after he was elected? This must be old news.


Ha!

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PostPosted: Jun 03, 2014 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ohsix, I LoL'd.

Is bs IMO. This guy was a deserter that cost several lives trying to retrieve him. We wanted him back before he became a full on informant for them and we had the chance to interrogate him. Put his ass in gitmo for a few weeks since he's such a sympathizer.


Man that sounds harsh.... Oh well, it's the interwebs.

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PostPosted: Jun 09, 2014 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Technically he is not a deserter since it requires 31 days of being AWOL to be considered a deserter. He may have very well just have returned the next day after having done some soul searching.

What blows my mind is how most of the people throwing a fit about trading five terrorists to save one of our citizens could give two shits about the million people that have been killed, directly and indirectly, by our invasion of Iraq. But these five guys are that important? Bubb Rubbing redic.

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PostPosted: Jun 10, 2014 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Technically he is not a deserter since it requires 31 days of being AWOL to be considered a deserter.


That is a half truth. Administrativly this is correct. Under military law if the intent is not to return or shirk duty you immediatly are a deserter.

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PostPosted: Jun 10, 2014 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/a/awoldesertion.htm
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PostPosted: Jun 11, 2014 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People are going nuts on this no negotiating with terrorists stuff. Reagan, Clinton, Bush, and Obama have done this. Old news. The only reason its getting blown up is because the right want to scream about Obama. The amount of right wing politicians who have double backed from "Get Bowe back!!" to "Bowe was a deserter and this is all wrong," is absolutely hilarious.

Five prisoners for one of ours is a pretty good price considering other exchanges the USA has made with terrorists over the past 30 years.
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PostPosted: Jun 11, 2014 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BrentC5Z wrote:
We wanted him back before he became a full on informant

nmballa wrote:
Technically he is not a deserter since it requires 31 days of being AWOL to be considered a deserter.


what part of 5 years has you two confused?
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PostPosted: Jun 11, 2014 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jt09 wrote:
BrentC5Z wrote:
We wanted him back before he became a full on informant

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Technically he is not a deserter since it requires 31 days of being AWOL to be considered a deserter.


what part of 5 years has you two confused?


Eh the part where he was captured and became a POW.

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PostPosted: Jun 12, 2014 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if one voluntarily evades detection to leave a fortified camp willingly, and doesn't come back for 31 days, he's a deserter. why he didn't return to camp is irrelevant. it wouldn't matter if he was stationed in del rio, tx at laughlin afb and was stuck in a mexican jail - either way, he was detained against his will (allegedly) and not able to return.
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PostPosted: Jun 12, 2014 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Porterwake wrote:
People are going nuts on this no negotiating with terrorists stuff. Reagan, Clinton, Bush, and Obama have done this. Old news. The only reason its getting blown up is because the right want to scream about Obama. The amount of right wing politicians who have double backed from "Get Bowe back!!" to "Bowe was a deserter and this is all wrong," is absolutely hilarious.

Five prisoners for one of ours is a pretty good price considering other exchanges the USA has made with terrorists over the past 30 years.


Interesting article on the subject.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/06/01/bergdahl-release-taliban-prisoner-trade/9835759/

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PostPosted: Jun 13, 2014 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why don't we let the military courts try him and see what happens instead of making judgements based on information provided to us by the media... which is biased, innacurate, and often flat out wrong in their rush to excite.
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PostPosted: Jun 13, 2014 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

those of us who pay attention to this kind of stuff have known the bergdahl story for years.
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PostPosted: Jun 13, 2014 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mean you think you have known the story for years.


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