Gotta draw a line somewhere.

eeven73 · Posted: Apr 21, 2014 10:26 am Post subject: Gotta draw a line somewhere.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/04/twilight_room_annex_will_close.html

Cliffs Notes.

Bar fined $400,000.00 after requesting Transgender group the frequented the bar not return.

Bar Owners Version: Unruly group that make enviornment unwelcoming for other patrons. Bearded "women" with male gentalia insisting on using women's restrooms.

Transgender Group: We have been discriminated against. This made us depressed and we put on weight during said depression.

City of Portland: Pay up.

E.J. · Ladies Man Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 7597 City: Mogadishu

I just read that and didn't come away with your Cliff Notes..... Confused

Bar Owner - Penner said he regrets what he said in the voicemail.

“I know I misspoke. I said a couple of stupid things without thinking,” Penner said. “Now I’m put out of business. Employees are out of work. I can’t have a checking account, and there’s absolutely nothing I can do about it.”

It appears he was frustrated that people thought he was running a gay/tranny bar, because every Friday night for 2 years, 25-40 of the Rose City T-Girls and their friends went there to party. Bar Owner didn't like that and ask them to not return....

goofyboy · Posted: Apr 21, 2014 11:38 am Post subject:

this type of thing pissed me off to no end. It's his private business to run. He should not be forced by the city or any government to serve anyone he does not want to serve.

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

I would agree with EJ on what conclusions you can come to with the article information.

Although it isn't clear in the article whether a disruption was a problem, if any group is disrupting a business and driving away other customers, there should be the ability for the business owner to decide which patrons they want in their establishment.

goofyboy · Posted: Apr 21, 2014 11:46 am Post subject:

They should be able to decide on any reason they want. They are a private business.

That said, any group they discriminate against, can picket, protest, etc. any private business that discrimnates against them. There is zero reason for the government to get into this guys business.

E.J. · Ladies Man Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 7597 City: Mogadishu

Government puts all kinds of rules in place for private business, right?

goofyboy · Posted: Apr 21, 2014 12:00 pm Post subject:

because we have allowed it. I disagree with it.

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eeven73 · Posted: Apr 22, 2014 6:13 am Post subject:

I was not making conclusions. I was giving the abreviated versions of the events by the parties involved,admittedly not only from the article I linked(easiest to access).

Frankly I have several issues with this situation not the least of which is the punishment fitting the crime. $400,000 Shocked

it might as well be 400 billion.

frye · Criminal Joined: 08 Aug 2005 Posts: 86

eeven73 · Posted: Apr 22, 2014 7:58 am Post subject:

It isn't a Fed action it is a State of Oregon action.

jgriffith · Posted: Apr 22, 2014 8:28 am Post subject: