New OK Gun Law

[jgriffith]

"As far as the carjacking, if you feel the need to pull a gun instead of just handing over your keys then we have vastly different views on what a life is worth."

If you feel the need to allow someone to put you and your family in danger without defending yourself, then we have vastly different views on our own lives and the lives of our loved ones...

[brew]

I can't remember the last time there was a carjacking in my area. If someone wants my car, they are welcome to it. Are you going to ask them to wait a second while you grab your gun?

[jgriffith]

[Okie Boarder]

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[jason_ssr]

[chavez]

[eeven73]

+ the fact everyone is sure they are Dirty Harry right up until the moment they actually have to pull the trigger. **

I personally know of two incidents where people pulled gun and chickened out. All it takes is a millisecond of indecision and you have a big unknown variable entered into the equation.


Then also there is the fact you are going to be judged after the fact by the authorities. Officer shows up writes up a poor scene report, DA decides to charge your going to spend many many thousands of dollars to defend your actions.


**above represents hyperbole to make a point.

[jgriffith]

chavez, accidental discharge? Really...these are the things you worry about, ok

[jason_ssr]

[eeven73]

Yes they are CHL. I understand the first rule is," only take it
Out if you are going to use." I know they both had that training, I also know one hesitated at the moment he should have fired. Tha one actually ended up in a physical struggle and the gun discharged. Miracle nothing/no one got hit.

All that being said I am not saying don't carry I have said all along I am for gun right and CC.

Personally, I feel there is too much risk so I don't. Also, I don't think people are honest with themselves in regards to there capabilities, physical and emotional, should the stuff hit the proverbial fan.

[chavez]

[Suprahunter]

Seems pretty simple to me If you feel safer without a gun then don't carry one . If you are afraid of what might happen by even owning one then don't buy one. Gun owners never insist that everybody arm themselves. Its only the anti gun following that insist others disarm so they can feel safer. Gun free zones are breeding ground for crime the only ones that are safer are the criminals.

In 1982, the Kennesaw City Council unanimously passed a law requiring heads of households to own at least one firearm with ammunition.

The ordinance states the gun law is needed to "protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants."

"People all over the country said there would be shootings in the street and violence in homes. "Of course, that wasn't the case."

In fact, according to city councilman Stephenson, it caused the crime rate in the city to plunge.

Kennesaw Historical Society president Robert Jones said following the law's passage, the crime rate dropped 89 percent in the city, compared to the modest 10 percent drop statewide.

"It did drop after it was passed," he said. "After it initially dropped, it has stayed at the same low level for the past 16 years."

How do you explain this?

[chavez]

Hmm, an un-enforceable ordinance that was put into place when it was just a tiny rural town outside Atlanta. Yes, let's use that as an example.

Anyhow, the idea that it would cause shootings in the street and violence in homes is nonsensical. Almost as nonsensical as your statement regarding gun free zones. There is no data (other than anecdotal at best) to support either.

[Suprahunter]

The fact is it works they have almost No crime there. I think its because there are so many other locations with easier victims to be had. Some interesting facts about Gun Free Zones. Given the choice I would rather live in Kennesaw.

Gun-free zones are invitations to mass murder, gun-rights advocates argued after a lone gunman's shooting rampage at the Sandy Hook elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, Friday left 20 children and six adults dead. John Lott, author of the controversial 1999 bestseller More Guns, Less Crime, said in an interview with Newsmax.com Saturday it is no coincidence that mass shootings with multiple victims occur repeatedly in designated gun-free zones such as schools, shopping malls, and movie theaters.

"The problem is, whether it is the Portland [Oregon] shooting earlier this week, or the Connecticut shooting Friday, or the Sikh temple attack in Wisconsin, time after time these attacks take place in the few areas within a state where permit-concealed handguns are banned," Lott said. "It's not just this year, it's all these years in the past. And at some point people have to recognize that despite the obvious desire to make places safe by banning guns, it unintentionally has the opposite effect."

The effect, said Lott, is to encourage a killer to believe it will be easier to commit the mayhem he has in mind in an environment where no one will be able to shoot back.

[Suprahunter]

This just in as of last night.

Under House Bill 875, gun permit holders would be allowed to carry in bars and churches. They'd be protected from arrest if they accidentally bring a gun to the airport. And they'd face a simple $100 fine, rather than arrest, if caught carrying on a college campus. In addition, local school districts would be empowered to decide whether to arm teachers and administrators in K-12 schools.

The bill was passed .

[chavez]

You do realize that the evidence Mr. Lott is relying on is nothing but anecdotal, right?

And I hate to break it to ya Georgia... but bringing a gun to the airport is a federal crime and those who get caught breaking it will most certainly get prosecuted. The penalty for doing so "accidentally" is a year in a prison or a fine (or both). Not to mention confiscation of the firearm.

But CCW holders already know this, or they damn well should. IMPO a CCW holder who willingly or accidentally does this should be held to a higher standard and should be prosecuted to the max - they are required to know better.

[Okie Boarder]

I'm just glad I live in a state that is making an effort to protect and preserve our Constitutional rights, rather than trying to strip them away.

[Suprahunter]

But CCW holders already know this, or they damn well should. IMPO a CCW holder who willingly or accidentally does this should be held to a higher standard and should be prosecuted to the max - they are required to know better.

Is that the same higher standard we hold our Police, Judges and Politicians to?
The bill has more to do with the right to carry in places that were previously not allowed. I would support CCW holders to carry everywhere including Airports .
There is no doubt in my mind that having CCW holders present will only deter criminals.
The chances of a CCW holder commuting a crime using a gun is so small its not even a factor.

[chavez]

Suprahunter, we are supposed to hold them to higher standards. The letter I wrote to the judge when my SIL's killer (former Jarhead, Sheriff, and FBI) was sentenced centered on this very point. I very strongly believe those who uphold the law should be held to the highest of standards if they break those laws. The judge agreed, and gave the maximum possible sentence. I realize this is not always the way it goes.

I'm not really concerned with CCW holders committing criminal acts - I'm much more concerned with their reaction to a crime or act of aggression. I also don't have a problem with a CCW carrying in the airport, provided they do not try to pass security with it. At current, under federal law, they may not carry in an airport at all, so that is what they must obey.

The state certainly has the right to enact laws regarding CCW. The feds have the right to enforce federal laws despite the local regs (any questions - see marijuana legalization). I'd strongly caution against any CCW holder trying to carry in the airport if GA does in fact pass this law. At best, TSA will just confiscate the weapon if they try to pass security, and they will be arrested. I don't even want to think about the "at worst" scenario.

[Suprahunter]

Believe it or not I think we agree on all the points you made above.

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[Okie Boarder]

Glad to be of service.