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Okie Boarder Ladies Man


Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond
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Posted: Feb 24, 2014 3:19 pm Post subject: Ban gay football players? |
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This guy can't be serious.
| Quote: | WASHINGTON -- A Republican lobbyist is preparing legislation that would ban gay athletes from playing in the National Football League, a move he says is necessary to prevent American society from sliding into indecency.
Jack Burkman, the CEO of Burkman LLC, said Monday that he would push Republican lawmakers to support the measure, which he put together after college football star Michael Sam announced that he is gay. In an interview with The Huffington Post, Burkman insisted that five members of the House of Representatives and one senator are interested in co-sponsoring the bill, and that those numbers would rise to 36 and five, respectively, within three weeks. Notably, he declined to name any of the lawmakers in question.
The absence of any actual details -- from the language of the bill to the names of potential supporters -- gave the announcement the unmistakable whiff of a publicity stunt. Burkman's own public relations firm broke the news of the legislation. Beyond his motive, however, is a larger question: Why would Burkman even bother? Sam's announcement was met with widespread support. Why should Congress create a conflict where, for the most part, one doesn't exist?
Even Burkman concedes that conservatives like himself are supposed to find it abhorrent when the government tells a private business how to conduct its affairs.
"However," he added, "there are times when that is trumped for reason of great urgency or necessity. And I think this is it, because I see the society sliding in the wrong direction."
"I felt that if the NFL doesn't have any morals, and people like [Commissioner] Roger Goodell, who are just go-along-get-along guys, just want to appease advertisers, appease corporate America and all that stuff," he said, "I figured, well, it is time for conservatives in Congress to step in and define morality for them."
But the slope is slippery and filled with intolerance. Burkman expressed particular concern about the possibility of a gay man disrupting the delicate equilibrium of a locker room. Does that extend to congressional locker rooms? Should openly gay politicians be prohibited from serving in Congress since, after all, lawmakers share gyms there?
"That is up to Congress," Burkman said.
Would Burkman be fine with openly gay men playing in the NFL if they used separate bathrooms from straight players?
"That would be a start," he said.
And what about the obvious historical parallel to the era when Major League Baseball prohibited black ballplayers from taking the field?
"That is a completely different thing, a different issue. Race, skin color, have nothing to do with it," Burkman said. "This is not about bigotry. It is about common decency and civility. Society is moving to a point where we are going to have unisex bathrooms and the next generation thinks that is OK."
Burkman's bill, if it's ever actually introduced, stands no chance of passage. Just imagine the laugh President Barack Obama would have if it somehow made its way to his desk.
But the fact that he sees it as a potential fault line -- he floated the possibility of the bill being used by a Republican primary challenger to pluck off the incumbent -- suggests that GOP operatives anticipate some sort of a social conservative backlash and wouldn't mind profiting from it. Burkman isn't a no-name lobbyist. Though he appears on cable news less frequently these days than he used to, his firm had a big growth in clients this past year.
He is also not necessarily the best person to wage a fight over decency and morality. A few years back, his name was reportedly found on the D.C. madam's list of clients of high-end prostitutes.
"The story simply was false," he said. "I'll say what I said on the air at the time. It is simply a false story. The numbers listed were never mine. It was planted by somebody in the liberal blog world."
"My life has been far from perfect. I am hardly any type of embodiment of moral perfection," he added. "But I have never let that stop me from doing what I think is right for the nation."
For someone so fearful of a gay player entering an NFL locker room, one might be surprised by Burkman's claim that he has gay friends. He can't figure out how they will react to his new venture.
"I think they would respect it," he said. "I would hope that they would respect that a person is doing what he thinks is good public policy and doing what he thinks is right for the country." |
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/24/ban-gays-nfl_n_4849250.html _________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? |
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Nor*Cal Ladies Man


Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac
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Posted: Feb 24, 2014 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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You know really grinds my gears...
These self-aggrandizing a-holes who get press for making these completely asinine statements that are not part of a rational discourse.
It also pisses me off they are calling him a "republican" lobbyist. By it's very nature a lobbyist needs to get votes to win their issue and if you're at all successful this means being able to find consensus or at least 50+1. Doesn't make much sense to hire a lobbyist who can only get a majority of the votes in one chamber because he's so polarizing no member of the opposite party would vote for him. _________________ If I agreed with you we would both be wrong. |
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Partyb Wakeboarder.Commie

Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 1810 City: Lantana, FL
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Posted: Feb 26, 2014 9:16 am Post subject: |
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Okie,
If you are so politically conscious, as your volume of politically based threads suggests, why would you fuel the fire of this BS? Do you really think that his proposal has a chance of becoming law? No? Then you are just as bad as the attention seeking media. You are simply giving ammo to a moron. |
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Okie Boarder Ladies Man


Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond
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Posted: Feb 26, 2014 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Partyb, if something like this was completely ignored and became law, would you be upset that it was never brought up in media or other forms of communication like this forum? _________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? |
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Okie Boarder Ladies Man


Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond
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Posted: Feb 26, 2014 9:46 am Post subject: |
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Nor*Cal, good point. _________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? |
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Swass Soul Rider

Joined: 27 Oct 2011 Posts: 427
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Posted: Feb 26, 2014 10:32 am Post subject: |
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Silly rabbits. He knows very well that it has no chance. He's just pandering to his ultra right wing conservative whack job constituents.
Now he can say, "well, I tried." |
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Okie Boarder Ladies Man


Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond
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Posted: Feb 26, 2014 11:41 am Post subject: |
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Can a lobbyist benefit from this approach like someone in Congress would? _________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? |
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chavez Ladies Man


Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 27375 City: Roseville
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Posted: Feb 26, 2014 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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Okie Boarder, sure. He just made national media, and the far-right-wing-religious nutters will eat this sh*t up.
So, I'm sure he thanks you for reprinting his clickbait/troll story, as it now has a wider audience and more SEO/Google linking. _________________
| Quote: | | That's Mr. Gingermex to you a$$hole. |
RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006 |
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Okie Boarder Ladies Man


Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond
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Posted: Feb 26, 2014 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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I can see that as being beneficial, from a PR standpoint, to some extent. You would think this could hurt a lobbyist by being too one-sided...kind of along the lines of what Nor*Cal was saying regarding legislation. _________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? |
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Swass Soul Rider

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Posted: Feb 26, 2014 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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| I get the impression that Okie wouldn't mind so much if this actually passed. |
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Okie Boarder Ladies Man


Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond
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Posted: Feb 26, 2014 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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No, I would mind if it passed. _________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? |
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Partyb Wakeboarder.Commie

Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 1810 City: Lantana, FL
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Posted: Feb 27, 2014 10:12 am Post subject: |
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Okie,
Every conscious voter must take some responsibility for separating the BS from the real issues. There is quite a bit of grey area, but this is not one of those cases. The only reason to repost this BS is either if you support it, or if you want to create a stir or attention. As this is absolutely the last place for someone to try and get attention on political issues, I can only assume you support this ahole. I guess there is a third option, that you are one of the folks that are so dim that you can not actually understand that this guy is an ahole and only trying to garner attention. Which is it okie? Because not only do I support equal rights, I also support not spreading the word of idiots for no reason and wasting good bandwidth better suited for pictures of my gf's ass.
Let me repeat, you are not some do-gooder founding father exposing discrimination and bad political deeds and preventing political injustice in this instance, you are not preventing this morons ideas from becoming law; you are simply adding to the problem. Thanks and thanks from my gay attorney sister who slept overnight on the lobby floor and waited for hours and hours watching in the balcony of the NYS Capitol building while the legislature debated legalizing gay marriage and celebrated in the halls the minute it was passed. THAT is political activism, not this BS you repost like every other internet keyboard jockey. |
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Nor*Cal Ladies Man


Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac
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Posted: Feb 27, 2014 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| Okie Boarder wrote: | | I can see that as being beneficial, from a PR standpoint, to some extent. You would think this could hurt a lobbyist by being too one-sided...kind of along the lines of what Nor*Cal was saying regarding legislation. |
It does, which is why at least one of his clients (DC Solar Solution) has dropped him.
But perhaps he has a bigger plan to get clients who want to legislate morality. Or perhaps he's just a self-aggrandizing bigoted a**hole.
My other point is the use of the word Republican is a sign of media bias. He's a lobbyist who may or may not be Republican, either way it is not relevant to the story other than to paint the Republican party as bigoted, however, this is a story about a lobbyist making statements, not an official position or stance of the Republican Party on this topic. _________________ If I agreed with you we would both be wrong. |
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pet575 Wakeboarder.com Freak


Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 3630 City: Kansas City, MO
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Posted: Feb 27, 2014 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| Partyb wrote: | | I also support not...wasting good bandwidth better suited for pictures of my gf's ass. |
I'm sure you're going to follow up appropriately either here or in the "Hot Chick" thread??? _________________
| Wakebrad wrote: | | I honestly think it has to do with internet penetration... |
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Okie Boarder Ladies Man


Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond
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Posted: Feb 27, 2014 11:59 am Post subject: |
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Partyb, ummmm D, none of the above. _________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? |
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Partyb Wakeboarder.Commie

Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 1810 City: Lantana, FL
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Posted: Feb 27, 2014 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Actually Okie, you are clearly B. Posting crap just to get attention, at least in this case. If you were actually interested in political activism or debate, you would actually do something or post something original. |
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Okie Boarder Ladies Man


Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond
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Posted: Feb 27, 2014 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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Last I checked this is a discussion forum and many of us post items for discussion, to make a point or to share information. We're all allowed to do so as long as we aren't in violation of the guidelines of the forum. We're also free to read, not read, post or not post on threads, right? Seems to me that if you don't like a topic I post (or anyone else for that matter) you don't have to read it. I don't think anyone is forcing you to do so.
As far as the post itself, I don't like what the guy is doing and decided to share it. Maybe it will open someone's eyes about the issue and they will make some decisions on how they want to handle the issue. Maybe us discussing it can help us all understand ways we can handle a situation similar to it locally, within our state, or nationally. _________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? |
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Partyb Wakeboarder.Commie

Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 1810 City: Lantana, FL
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Posted: Feb 28, 2014 7:55 am Post subject: |
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Exactly Okie, that is why I'm exercising my free speech and putting you on blast for posting this BS.
I ask again, if you are so politically insightful why don't you post someplace other than an obscure non-wakeboard forum? If you were actually interested in debate than there are plenty of places and forums for lively discussion and political debate. (again not saying wb.com-ers aren't capable of discussion, but I'm not gonna post 50 "which wakeboard should I buy" posts in a non-ford forum section of ford.com).
Instead you hide your head in here. If you actually wanted to do or change something you would post and discuss in a forum full people interested in politics, or if you support gays, why don't you go to this morons website and debate him personally over there? Try this: http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/
You're full of crap, and your posts are lame re-posts. You know darn well that the regular contributors on this non-wakeboard forum are successful, smart, generous and supportive of equal rights for gays and everyone in general. You are not changing or enlightening anyone here. |
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Okie Boarder Ladies Man


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Posted: Feb 28, 2014 11:11 am Post subject: |
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I'm not sure why this bothers you so much and why you care so much about what I do. But, since you asked, I do post other places as well. I also make sure guys like this hear from me about what they are doing. _________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? |
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Partyb Wakeboarder.Commie

Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 1810 City: Lantana, FL
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Posted: Mar 03, 2014 6:36 am Post subject: |
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Okie,
If you are allowed to post, I'm allowed to comment. So I'm commenting that in general your posts are lame reposts that waste bandwidth. Nothing new or insightful, and the one that is the focus of this particular thread is particularly horrible and only serves to fuel the fire and by giving an ahole a larger audience. |
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