Sanctity of Life Sunday

eeven73 · Posted: Jan 27, 2012 7:40 am Post subject:

Excellent job on "retiring from discussion". Laughing

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

I usually do keep to that, unless addressed directly.

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

eeven73, cut hom some slack...the discussion shifted gears a bit and was being led by someone different. How could he not respond? Mr. Green

jason_ssr · Posted: Jan 27, 2012 2:21 pm Post subject:

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

Abstinence is the one thing that is ALWAYS an option.

A parent can forbid their kid from having sex and make the kid think that they would be in big trouble if the parent found a condom in their dresser.

A parent can forbid their kid from going on the pill, shame them into being afraid of buying condoms.

But abstinence is always an option, and if you are saying that kids should be taught to ALWAYS use a condom, and if one is not available, POSTPONE having sex for however long, then I'm all for that.

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

microman, a question for you specifically. Do you draw a specific line in the sand regarding the "breathing on its own" thing with regards to time since conception that you consider it human and no longer right to abort?

For any of you science guys, maybe you can explain something to me.

Why is it when we talk about cells within a female human womb it isn't life, but when we talk about single or multi cell organisms on mars, or deep in the sea attached to some rock or floating in the water, or in the air, that is considered life? I don't understand what the distinction is that you make.

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

We don't call cells in a female human "not life."

The differentiation is when it is a life on it's own, and not a cluster of cells that is still part of the mother.

Plus, we don't give single celled or even simple multi-celled organisms the same rights as human "life."

My finger is "alive." The cells within it are "life."

But when you cut my finger off, it dies within a relatively short amount of time.

So, we don't really call a fetus or even a zygote "not life." That's not the distinction. The question is when is it a human life in its own right.

jason_ssr · Posted: Jan 28, 2012 11:26 am Post subject:

Your finger is not in the process of becoming independent. Not a good comparison.

An infant connot survive on its own either, yet they are considered independent?

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

It is a good comparison. Nobody claims that even a cluster of 16 undifferentiated cells is "life."

It is a good comparison because the question is NOT about the potential for independent life, it is, in the minds of many people, a question of when the zygote becomes a "person" who is just in utero, and ceases to be a cluster of cells.

And an infant CAN survive independent of the biological mother.

microman · Posted: Jan 29, 2012 3:25 pm Post subject:

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

So, at what point in time do you say it's human?

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

Saw an article a friend posted on FB regarding the Catholic church and the Health Care Bill in relation to abortion. I feel like the article was very slanted and I'm looking into this a bit more. Have any of you read about the concerns the Catholic church has and what is addressed in the bill that you have good links to?