New California Laws

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

Saw an article about the new laws for 2012 in California. I had to chuckle about a couple of them wondering if they are really necessary...this goes to the point I made on one of the other threads that our legislators should probably be part-time so they don't sit around coming up with unnecessary laws. Anyhow, here are the ones the article pointed out:

*California now requires that public schools include positive history lessons on the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.

Note: Maybe someone more familiar with this one can explain it a bit more. What exactly is changing in the curriculum to address this? Is it actually being taught in history class? What age levels?

*California will be the first state to make it illegal for anyone younger than 18 to use tanning beds, under SB746 by Sen. Ted Lieu, D-Torrance.

*Agriculture employers found to have violated union election rules will face tougher sanctions under a law authored by Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento.

*California is joining Hawaii, Washington, Oregon and Guam in banning the sale, trade and possession of shark fins.

*Children as young as 12 can be vaccinated without their parents' consent against human papillomavirus, known as HPV, the leading cause of cervical cancer.

*Caffeinated beer products will be banned after several high-profile incidents in which college students drank too much of the beverages and had to be hospitalized.

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

*California now requires that public schools include positive history lessons on the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.

Note: Maybe someone more familiar with this one can explain it a bit more. What exactly is changing in the curriculum to address this? Is it actually being taught in history class? What age levels?

Age levels? Who cares. It's history, it should be taught at an age when the kid can comprehend the event being taught, sexual preference of the subject person does not matter.

*California will be the first state to make it illegal for anyone younger than 18 to use tanning beds, under SB746 by Sen. Ted Lieu, D-Torrance.

Meh. Don't care. Should be allowed with parental consent IMO.

*Agriculture employers found to have violated union election rules will face tougher sanctions under a law authored by Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento.

?

*California is joining Hawaii, Washington, Oregon and Guam in banning the sale, trade and possession of shark fins.

Shark fin soup is a delicacy, but sharks are a protected species. I'm ok with this one.

*Children as young as 12 can be vaccinated without their parents' consent against human papillomavirus, known as HPV, the leading cause of cervical cancer.

Do not like. My youngest cousin (12) just got this done without consent before the law was legit. She didn't know what she was getting, and her mother was NOT consulted. Needless to say my Aunt and Uncle are pretty pissed off about this, and may pursue it.

*Caffeinated beer products will be banned after several high-profile incidents in which college students drank too much of the beverages and had to be hospitalized.

Dumb. College kids will do dumb ass stuff no matter what. If someone wants a Spark or whatever the hell it's called more power to them. If they are too stupid to moderate, let Darwin sort em out. So long as they don't get in a car or endanger others, fine.

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

California's economy is too big to be part time but perhaps limit legislators to introducing 15 bills per session as opposed to 50. That's not a legal thing but a rule adopted for each house at the opening of the legislative session so it could be self-imposed.

*California now requires that public schools include positive history lessons on the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.

Note: Maybe someone more familiar with this one can explain it a bit more. What exactly is changing in the curriculum to address this? Is it actually being taught in history class? What age levels?

Doesn't really matter in the near term as CA has suspended adoption of new curriculum and textbooks due to budgetary issues. CA history has some good civil rights lessons that could fulfill the requirement. Read the bill here for the other details, doesn't look as chicken little as some have made it sound.

*California will be the first state to make it illegal for anyone younger than 18 to use tanning beds, under SB746 by Sen. Ted Lieu, D-Torrance.

Lots of evidence and data linking tanning beds to skin cancer in young adults. Makes sense to me, I don't want Medi-Cal paying for their cancer treatments because as a teenager they insisted on fake tans. Get a tan the natural way, go outside, you might even exercise and lower obesity (non sequitur).

*Agriculture employers found to have violated union election rules will face tougher sanctions under a law authored by Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento.

Just an increase in the statutory fine. CA has increased fines for speeding, red lights and so forth, not much different.

*California is joining Hawaii, Washington, Oregon and Guam in banning the sale, trade and possession of shark fins.

Some sharks are endangered and for the most part finning fishermen just take the fins and throw the living shark overboard to die. Pretty unreasonable and unsustainable practice. I'm in favor of conservation especially in situations dealing with sensitive populations.

*Children as young as 12 can be vaccinated without their parents' consent against human papillomavirus, known as HPV, the leading cause of cervical cancer.

Didn't Rick Perry sign off on something like this? We allow the government to vaccinate children before entering school for all kinds of things, why is this one egregious?

*Caffeinated beer products will be banned after several high-profile incidents in which college students drank too much of the beverages and had to be hospitalized.

Basically only bans Four Loco and is a response to the college incidents. You can still buy your Jeremiah Weed, I think...

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

If that's all it ended up being then I have no issue with it. In the Harvey Milk example, it is almost mandatory that you divulge sexuality because that is what the whole situation was all about. The way the bill came across when I first read about it was it was going to be more than that.

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

Here's the crux of the language:

SECTION 1. Section 51204.5 of the Education Code is amended to read:
51204.5. Instruction in social sciences shall include the early history of
California and a study of the role and contributions of both men and women,
Native Americans, African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian
Americans, Pacific Islanders, European Americans, lesbian, gay, bisexual,
and transgender Americans, persons with disabilities, and members of other
ethnic and cultural groups, to the economic, political, and social development
of California and the United States of America, with particular emphasis
on portraying the role of these groups in contemporary society

STPHNSN23 · Guest

i don't understand the point of regulating caffeinated alcohol drinks. i can't buy a 4-loko any more, but i can go to a bar and order a monster/vodka? what do they think they're accomplishing? the only thing they're doing is making more trash. now, you have a monster can and a vodka bottle in the landfill instead of just a 4-loko can. where are the tree huggers?

scott a · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 9810

Four Loko already removed the "energy drink" part of the drink a year ago. Kind of a stupid law IMO.

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

Stonewall Riots

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Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

With the frequency of HPV is it that objectionable? I understand the parental consent part and do not agree with anything that transfers rights from parents to state but why is the HPV vaccination so controversial whereas the polio or hep b are not?

jryoung · Ladies Man Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose

IIRC from what my wife has told me it is only a select few strains that can lead to cancer. Other protective measures could be nearly as effective as the vaccine without being so intrusive.

Like the pediatrician that pressured my wife to get out son a vaccine for whooping cough (amongst others). "There's been several deaths recently, you need to get this for your son" to which my wife replied "did those that die all have the vaccine"? The conversation ended there.

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

jryoung, that is way too common. Pediatricians are over the top lately with the vax stuff.

We have a schedule of what we want done, and when we want it done. Don't like it? TFB!!! It's our kid and we will dictate when you get to stick in a needle in him and what is in that needle.

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

Lop · Posted: Jan 05, 2012 3:25 pm Post subject: Re: New California Laws

wakechick13 · Posted: Jan 05, 2012 4:28 pm Post subject:

Im a sophomore in high school and we have Never put emphasis on a person in historys sexuality. It was never really important unless it was apart of that persons history. I mean its pointless.

I strongly disagree with kids having the right to get a vaccination without their parents consent. Especially at 12 years old...I mean at 12 you are just starting junior high anf you dont have enough knowledge to understand what the vaccination is for.

I do agree with the sharkfins. They may be a delicacy, but the way people kill these animals, in my opinion, is inhuman.

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

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Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

cameraboy, even if it was a bigger issue, I would still have a problem with it being dictated to me as a parent and an even bigger problem with it being administered to my child without my consent.

There are a lot of issues I have with things that are now available or being administered to our kids without our consent and/ or without an ability to opt out.

Wakebrad, obviously too fun and us peasants didn't know how to control ourselves and use them in moderation, so the government had to step in. Mr. Green

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

I'm ok with your idea of not allowing people to around others when there is a high chance of it spreading and causing an outbreak. I still think leaving the choice up to that individual is the way to do it. Like the example you gave earlier about leaving a parent the choice to home school if they don't want to vaccinate. The key factors to me are choice and infringing on individuals rights.

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

If it mass fatality epidemic proportions, then you enter the realm of one individual affecting another individual's rights. At that point stepping in, making it required, etc. makes sense, if the people haven't decided to do it on their own already.

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

Handguns and shoplifting: Another week in the California Assembly

It's only the 6th right? I really hope open primaries bring in some normal people...

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

BurkeViper · Posted: Jan 10, 2012 4:25 am Post subject:

Background on HPV:

HPV is the most common sexually transmitted infection in the US. More than 20 million US men and women are infected with HPC and roughly 6.2 million new cases happen each year. There are nearly 100 HPV types, 16 of which are considered highly carcinogenic. HPV types "16" and "18" account for approximately 70% of all cervical cancers. HPV also has a high risk of causing vulvar, vaginal, anal, penile, oral, and pharyngeal cancers.

Causes genital warts and anal cancer in men.

The vaccine can be administered as early as age 9.

All this comes from a book I held onto after last semester. I had to take a test to be licensed as an intern-pharmacist to give injections.

I'm probably biased, but health care providers "over vaccinate" (I have a problem with this term because I don't believe it's possible) for a reason. Preventing a lot of major health problems is a whole lot cheaper than treating the full-blown disease later down the road. We don't have a cure for it, so why not try our best to prevent it in the future?

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goofyboy · Posted: Jan 10, 2012 7:25 am Post subject:

eeven - some cases resovle themselves before anything ever shows up. Your body can eventually "cure" itself, with some strains.