Wake Physics

deathflamingo · Outlaw Joined: 11 Jun 2003 Posts: 177 City: Yankton

Hey, im just wondering if anyone has the book and if it is worth the $40..thanx

Mister C · Posted: Jun 12, 2003 1:06 pm Post subject:

I dont, but check the Gear Guide, I think its in there.

Mister C · Posted: Jun 12, 2003 1:07 pm Post subject:

Go here and you can get a sample of what the inside of the book looks like.

http://www.wakephysics.com/inside.html

Or if you wanna check out the site you can just go to www.wakephysics.com

King of the Tigers · Posted: Jun 12, 2003 3:12 pm Post subject:

I don't have it but just reading the samples has been a big help. There's a lot to be said about learning the proper ways to do tricks instead of hucking them. I'm definitely going to by a copy soon.

Buergday · Guest

I wish that the pix were of a rider that rides regular instead of goofy - it's hard for me to visualize the tricks backwards.

Mister C · Posted: Jun 12, 2003 3:46 pm Post subject:

All of those riders are goofy? Doesnt Parks ride regular?

derrick · Addict Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 723 City: Orlando

The regular/goofy issue is a whole different issue with this book (which is pretty sad on the editor or the book) But, IMO, the book is horrible, not even wakeboarding, and I wouldn't want to look through it again.

Mister C · Posted: Jun 12, 2003 3:59 pm Post subject:

What do you mean the book isnt even wakeboarding?

Tripin-38 · Outlaw Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Posts: 167 City: Louisiana

it's not that bad. i've checked it out and it has some good instructions. if you're the type of person to look on the internet for tips and videos of how to do tricks then that book would be a good resource for you.

derrick · Addict Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 723 City: Orlando

What I meant by it's not even wakeboarding, was that it's skiboarding, defenetly not wakeboarding. Its like Jeremy Kovak is so set into his old days of skiboarding that he can't even see that the sport has changed and grown away from that. If you don't beleive me, how else do you describe a "ts 360" and a "ts 360 to blind" in his book being two different tricks?
peace
Derrick

Jim M · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 2933

And don't forget to mention the slowball. I heard the book comes with a 24x36 autographed poster that says To Derrick, from your best friend Jeremy Kovak Laughing

Mister C · Posted: Jun 12, 2003 6:19 pm Post subject:

Oh, well it looked pretty good with the pages I saw online.

Pat McCarthy · Posted: Jun 12, 2003 6:50 pm Post subject:

Derrick is being especially harsh on the book because he doesn't like Kovak and his style. Yes, on occasion the terminology such as a TS 360 to blind is not correct, but most pro wakeboarders I know don't even use correct terminology anyway. What the book does have is instructional value....so if you want help with your tricks, you can get help from this book.

Mister C · Posted: Jun 12, 2003 6:58 pm Post subject:

So is it really as good as your review says it is, cuz people are trashing the book and now im not sure if I should get it or not.

derrick · Addict Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 723 City: Orlando

Pat, your right that I don't like kovak's style (mainly because he is basically skiboarding in my mind) but that's not what I don't like about the book. If I thought the book was legit, I wouldn't have anything to say about it, other than the fact I don't like his style. I think it's a waste of money. Why do I not like the book so much? Here's why: The terminology is horrible. a ts 360 and ts 360 to blind are not different tricks (to blind? what? you can't do a 3 to blind), but they are listed as different tricks, and different instructions too. The only real difference in the trick is how you land with the rope, which is pretty similar in the body posistion. The book teaches many tricks regular, and then switch. They even have different instructions, (hello, same trick....do them the same way....), and not only that, but they'll have a goofy foot rider do it "regular" then a regular rider do it switch, so the pictures will be the exact same way. Example: hs backroll. Go look it up. That's why I don't like it. As far as terminology goes, no, pros might not use the correct terminology, but at least they use current terminology, kovak's isn't even right, or current. Take this for what you want, but this is why I am saying what I"m saying about the book, not because I don't like Kovak or his style.
peace
Derrick

Pat McCarthy · Posted: Jun 12, 2003 8:45 pm Post subject:

I agree with you Derrick, those aspects could be improved, but does the book provide instructional value? First, you have to remember that the majority of wakeboarders are not that knowledgeable about terminology and tricks, and they don't really care what tricks are called.

If people can read the instructionals and learn something, then it's of value to them. There are good instructional points that you don't often get in other instructionals out there, and it's often worth $40 for someone to learn how to do their first Back Roll, or whatever.

Tigerblp · Posted: Jun 13, 2003 9:09 am Post subject:

I have to agree with Pat on this. A lot of wakeboarders, who don't have access to a coach or a fellow boarder who knows how to do a trick properly, can gain a lot from Wake Physics. Sure the tricks may not be in your particular stance, but you'd have to be a pretty narrow-minded person to not be able to apply the instructions and pictures to your needs.

Partyb · Posted: Jun 13, 2003 9:45 am Post subject:

I have scanned the book at Tommy's shop. I do not think the book is that great, and 40 bucks is a ton of money. However, it is a great idea. Maybe someone will come up with a better one.

As Pat says, it does work as an instructional tool. I think it is very important to read about how to do a trick from many different sources b/c one description, although accurate, may not "click" in your mind. Then you see it described somewhere else, and you are like "OH YEAH, now I see what I'm supposed to do."

madCat · Outlaw Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 106

Derrick, you are right and wrong... the whole blind thing in my opinon has been misused by most people. It has almost come to signify any bs spin, when in essence from what I remember it should refer to the way you land the trick (ie. in the wrapped position - not passing handle with the last 180 being bs to the boat). So even though you don't like Kovak's use of the word, he's not entirely wrong. You are landing wrapped or blind when you throw a ts 360 and don't pass the handle. Oh yeah and the two tricks are not the same. If you are riding in a competition, I would bet the two tricks would not be considered the same. Just my opinon, feel free to bash me if you want.

Wakeboy551 · Posted: Jun 13, 2003 10:14 am Post subject:

OK now, which one is better then? Whats the best instructional tool out there? Lets split up the movies and the other stuff. Whats the best video? What is the best book/other thing? I've seen computer programs w/a book to take with you, WakePhysics, and online help forums. To me a book is the best, because you can take it with you. And since this is about the only book, i'd think this is the best so far. What do ya'll think?

and does anyone have that computer disk with help on it? I've seen it online, and I think in WalMart. Who made it?

JER

deathflamingo · Outlaw Joined: 11 Jun 2003 Posts: 177 City: Yankton

ive never heard of the computer disk thing

Jim M · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 2933

I remember that thing, Pat may have more info, I think it was on this site a year or so ago. It was a cd-rom with trick descriptions and video clips, and it also came with a laminated 'cheat sheet' or something of the like that you could take on the boat with you.

Wakeboy551 · Posted: Jun 13, 2003 10:32 am Post subject:

Yeah, thats it...Pat, any insight?

JER

SCBrips · Guest

I think you guys are talking about Wakeboarding On the Edge. It's in the Gear Guide here: http://www.wakeboarder.com/products/showproduct.php?product=279&sort=1&thecat=98

orlandopro · Criminal Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 79 City: o-town

derrick,
it's got to feel good to be able to talk smack and not even get wet. you can't even do half of the moves you know the "correct" names for. i've seen you on the sliders and you suck. now i know why you don't like owc. the tourists are better then you!
get a life and sell you board!
your friend

Maestro · Posted: Jun 13, 2003 7:59 pm Post subject:

I agree with PartyB... It's a good idea, but not worth the $40. From the sample pages on the site it doesn't seem like it's much different instruction than you can get online. Obviously not everyone has access to the Internet though, so it could definitely be a usefull tool for someone.

derrick · Addict Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 723 City: Orlando

orlandopro
what?? "it's got to feel good to be able to talk smack and not even get wet" (what is this supposed to mean, anybody know?)yeah, and your the guy who won't even expose himself, come on orlandopro, if your such an awesome pro (and one of the rare, few pros from orlando), come on orlandopro, expose yourself, let's see what you got, but I bet you don't even have the guts to do that. If you've seen me at owc, then why don't you come talk trash to me when you see me there, instead of hiding behind your little computer? Why don't you tell me that?? I will tell you anything to your face that I'll tell you on here, that's a promise, but until then, I'm stuck dealing with you on here, because you won't expose yourself. Why does it matter if I can do the tricks I know the name for or not?? When did that become an issue?? (oh yeah, that's right, it came up only when you tried to make fun of me and make me look bad). If you've seen me on the sliders, what board am I riding?? Come on now if your going to say something, back it up. Lastly, please don't ever, ever call yourself my friend again.

Funkster · Posted: Jun 13, 2003 8:45 pm Post subject:

Orlandopro,what doe's it matter to you??? Did you right the book??? Is that why you are taking it so harsh??? Derick was just giving his opinion on what he thought about the book. What doe's anything you posted have to do with the subject?? ohhh yeah nothing. There is no reason to take personal attacks on someone for stating there opinion,it make's you look like an ass.

Josh R · Posted: Jun 13, 2003 10:42 pm Post subject:

kyle · Guest

i dont know if this has been touched upon yet but it is in response to derrick's comments above. derrick although there is no such thing as a "toeside 360 to blind" it still is a very distinguishable trick verses a toeside 360. it is performed differently and landing rapped up creates another level of dificulty and style. while being able to save yourself with a handlepass. landing wrapped up or "blind" creates no room for error. i feel that kovak is dead on calling it a toeside 360 to blind because it really is totally different feel and almost a different trick. as i was typing this i realized mad cat approached the same issue. i hope we clarified his explanation

kyle · Guest

im normally one of those people who just reads all the postings and doesnt really post that much, but i think it was important to touch upon the issue

derrick · Addict Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 723 City: Orlando

Actually, it's the same trick, the only difference is in the landing.....You don't do anything different on the approach, or in the air, just the way you brace yourself upon landing. There's no extra or less rotation. SAME TRICK, different landing.
BTW, Josh, thank you for that, I thought about saying that myself!

BR_WB · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 2850

I got the book and it's alright. There is a lot of wasted space by showing how to do the trick switch, and there are some staple tricks of wakeboarding that have been left out. It's a good idea and though $40 is quite expensive you can take it on the boat and get it wet and whatnot- it would be a good tool for beginners. Personally I feel the same as Derrick- it seems like Kovak is trying to cash in- he's been out of the scene for a good while now- I also heard he is thinking about making a wakeskate instructional, and if that transpires the world is coming to an end. If you have the $40 go and get the Higher Education Double Disc DVD- it's well worth your money.
Later,
Brad

seanmcd · Criminal Joined: 16 Feb 2003 Posts: 89 City: orlando

long live Kovak and derrick you do suck. im not trying to hate on you and your parade. but my friend (can i call you that?), you play the meat trumpet all too well! i still like you bc you bring a personality to the boat that you can always pick on or just be harsh to. as i said before, LONG LIVE KOVAK and im curious to know if the boner flip is in the book?? ive always wanted to do a boner flip.

Wakeboy551 · Posted: Jun 14, 2003 12:28 pm Post subject:

Just curious...where do we get JD Webb from? How do you guys just pull that one out...of all the people? just curious

JER