Bad USC, no bowls for you

intotheflats · Posted: Jun 10, 2010 5:14 am Post subject: Bad USC, no bowls for you

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5267933

Aubs · Motorboat Queen Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9167

That's karma for Lane Kiffin. Hope Pete gets in trouble somehow too.

intotheflats · Posted: Jun 10, 2010 5:18 am Post subject:

Aubs, I agree 100%. And I am sure that this had a lot to do with Pete leaving when he did. Leaving someone else to clean up his mess.

Aubs · Motorboat Queen Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9167

There was speculation that something like this would happen. It's all a matter of time. Hate Kiffin -so no sympathy from me at all. Just want Pete to get in trouble baadddd.

LSU · Posted: Jun 10, 2010 5:20 am Post subject:

Well that sucks for the players but it is going to be nice not to see those guys in the big games for a while. I'm not sure after Pete leaving they were going to be there anyways.

goofyboy · Posted: Jun 10, 2010 5:20 am Post subject:

Pete is gone. No way he gets in any trouble over this. He is out of college football. He can claim he had no idea and move on.

intotheflats · Posted: Jun 10, 2010 5:23 am Post subject:

While I will admit that USC football was dominate there for awhile, this does shed a lot of light on why. Pete is obviously a good football coach because even with that much talent, you still need to coach them but it's obvious now why they had that much talent. And if they didn't have as many great players, they definitely would not have won like they did.

LSU · Posted: Jun 10, 2010 5:26 am Post subject:

intotheflats I think it is pretty safe to say that every big college has something a little shady going on. There is just too much money in college sports to think otherwise.

goofyboy · Posted: Jun 10, 2010 5:29 am Post subject:

nice to know that Texas beat a pro team. Very Happy

Aubs · Motorboat Queen Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9167

LSU - Every team in every sport cheats. It's all a matter of who gets caught.

LSU · Posted: Jun 10, 2010 5:44 am Post subject:

JV · Posted: Jun 10, 2010 5:46 am Post subject:

eeven73 · Posted: Jun 10, 2010 6:41 am Post subject:

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

I think this was obviously coming down the pike. No way Pete moves on without something souring his situation there. Lane must have known this was coming. It also could be why it took USC a little while to fill the spot.

JV · Posted: Jun 10, 2010 6:54 am Post subject:

eeven73 · Posted: Jun 10, 2010 7:00 am Post subject:

You know damn well that recruitment isn't a 1 year process. Facts are USC was down and other schools had been getting the top talent. Carroll shows up and alakazzam USC is the best recruiting school in the history of college football. Put 2 and 2 together.

JV · Posted: Jun 10, 2010 7:02 am Post subject:

JV · Posted: Jun 10, 2010 7:12 am Post subject:

eeven73, all I'm saying is from what I've read, the allegations seem to be focused on sports marketers and agents, not the recruiting process. But we'll know in a few hours when the findings are released, so no use arguing over it now. It just seems odd to me that USC team officials and coaches would take serious risks at that program when one good season immediately returns USC to California, Pac-10, and national prominence. Yeah, recruiting is more than a 1 yr. process, but seeing Palmer raise up the Heisman could have easily pushed a dozen kids--especially Cali recruits--over the edge, no money needed. I don't think Bush physically signed until after that, so, again, where else would a San Diego kid go after seeing USC back on the rise?

We'll see. But any serious recruiting violations at USC, Texas, or Florida just seem beyond dumb to me given the programs' histories and recruiting hot beds.

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

I think the NCAA has made the right conclusion about what happened.

HOWEVER

Screwing over the kids who are in the program today, for sh*t that happened in the past, is crap. It's crap when it happens to Bama, it's crap when it happens to UNLV, it's just crap.

Vacate the wins, pull the titles, rip the heisman, take back the bowl $$$, WHATEVER.

Just don't screw over the current kids. They did nothing wrong, yet they are getting f'ed in the a with a sandpaper condom.

Especially the guys who aren't on scholarship who had to bust their ass to make the team. They get f'ed the hardest here.

SC will recover in time. These kids won't.

Reggie, Matt, Dwayne, Mayo, and Pete are counting their million$ right now and laughing it up. Maybe later they will go spin some donuts in their Veyrons just for kicks. Rolling Eyes

ky1e · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 2693

chavez, STAR. This ruling is absolutely retarded and completely unfair to the new kids/current kids on the team. They are accusing Bush of accepting rent free housing while he was there along with his parents receiving money and he should lose his Heisman Trophy for this??? That is ridiculous. The NCAA made millions of dollars off this kid and they want to strip his accomplishments because he couldn't afford a nice place to live like everyone else at SC. The kids don't get to see a dime when the schools get more money then they know what to do with and the players can't go out for a nice dinner if they can't afford it? I'm sure there is some loop hole they will find to the scholarship thing, and not being able to play in a bowl game for 2 years really isn't that big of a deal. If they finish the season #1 then whoever wins the national championship game will have an asterisk next to their name.

jryoung · Ladies Man Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose

I think part of the issue is how can you punish a institution. Take away wins, trophys etc. doesn't really do anything. The problem is if you take away the past big deal, if you hit the future it's somewhat unjust so what do you do.

When Barbara Hedges threw us under the bus in the 90's it was very much the same situation. When I arrived 15 years ago this fall the moral of the team was terribly low and the seniors spoke of how great things were.

The thing I don't get is how the AD still has a job, that should be part of the punishment. USC has the history and tradition that they will recover, much faster than most programs. It sucks for the current kids, but I think the NCAA is damned if they do, damned if they don't in terms of punishment.

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

I think Garrett is a goner.

And yeah it's damned if you do and damned if you don't, but damned if those kids aren't getting the sh*t end of the stick here - and isn't that what the NCAA is supposed to be about - the student athletes? (i know ROFL right?)

I think what you do is hit the institution in the wallet. Bowl $$ paid back, etc, along with vacating wins and titles, and if the coach/staff directly involved are still there, terminate them.

scott a · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 9810

goofyboy · Posted: Jun 11, 2010 2:59 am Post subject:

can't the juniors and seniors leave to another program, if they want and play as soon as they arrive?

scott a · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 9810

ESPN reported this just now-

-Juniors and Seniors don't have to sit out a season if transferring
-Other schools may initiate contact with Juniors and Seniors
-USC must allow players to transfer
-Incoming freshman must initiate release request (release is at the descretion of USC)

intotheflats · Posted: Jun 11, 2010 8:35 am Post subject:

scott a, That is a great call by the NCAA. At least now the kids have a choice about whether to stay at USC and be punished or to go to another school. I like it. It is devastating for USC though. I imagine they will lose some good players.

jryoung · Ladies Man Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose

They are not allowed to transfer w/in the Pac-10, they much change conferences.

I doubt they lose may players, these guys want to get to the next level and USC can do that for them, bowl game or not. They'll still be on TV every Saturday, if the NCAA really wanted to crush them they would take away TV rights.