water in my oil

bishab · Newbie Joined: 30 Sep 2008 Posts: 38 City: jacksonville

Well i had some bad luck this weekend. A couple weeks ago I changed all of my fluids in my supra. After changing the fluids I ran the boat on the hose and rechecked the oil and everything looked good. I took the boat to the lake house this weekend and I put the boat in the water and cranked it up and was idling around to let it warm up and recheck all fluids. When checking the oil I noticed water in the oil. I immediately idled back to the dock as to not cause anymore damage that was already done. I pulled the boat back out and drained the oil and ran it on the hose again and I was still getting water in the oil. I then drained the oil once more and put fresh oil in and left it at that and didnt crank it again. I just didnt want to leave the oil with the water in the engine. The boat only has appox 225 hrs on it. It is the 5.7 tbi assault engine. I have had no issues in the past with it. I hope it is not to serious but I did notice on my insurance that I have a Freeze State - Ice and Freezing Endorsment. Does this mean my insurance will cover it if it comes down to freeze damage? I did winterize my boat and have never had a problem in the past. My boat stays under a shelter that is covered on the sides and the rear and also has a cover on the boat. I have never had a problem in the past but we had a long freezing streak here in north florida this year. Im hoping it is just a gasket and not a major engine problem. I dropped my boat off at lake area watwersports in melrose florida but am going to call around to some other dealers today. How does everyone like watersports of central florida?

bishab · Newbie Joined: 30 Sep 2008 Posts: 38 City: jacksonville

I spoke with Boat US this morning and I do have the ice and freeze protection. Im glad they took care of me and put this on my policy. They said once the dealer determines what it is all they have to do is send me an estimate for repair with parts and labor break down and Boat US will authorize them to begin the work and I will just pay my 300.00 deductible.

rc5695 · Criminal Joined: 08 Feb 2010 Posts: 94 City: Greenville

Good to know... Good luck.

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

Sounds like you do have freeze damage. Everything I've seen where people talk about water in the oil usually comes down to a cracked block. It seems odd if you winterized it though. What all do you normally do?

bishab · Newbie Joined: 30 Sep 2008 Posts: 38 City: jacksonville

I drain the block, risers/manifolds with the water hose connection, pull the hoses off the v-drive, remove the strainer, remove the impeller. I also fog the throttle body and remove the spark plugs and spray it in there also. ANd drain teh fiberglass muffler. I dont think there is anything else I could have drained.

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

So you don't put any antifreeze in?

bishab · Newbie Joined: 30 Sep 2008 Posts: 38 City: jacksonville

I never have and 99% of the people here in florida dont do the anitfreeze. The dealers here do not even do it. It usually doesnt get as cold as it did last winter. Im waiting on the dealer to call me know to let me know what the problem is. BY the way OKIE your boat is looking great.

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

Yeah, I kind of figured that. I've heard that it is possible for water to be trapped in certain areas in the block even with dilgent drainage like you did. The antifreeze ensures that you don't have freezing issues. It is possible you had water trapped somewhere, it froze and cracked your block.

If that is the case, at least you know your insurance covers you.

Let us know what you find out.

Thanks...it's been a lot of work and I'm glad to be at the point where I get to start enjoying it.

finman · Outlaw Joined: 16 Feb 2005 Posts: 106 City: Tulsa

I found water in my oil as well. I had found this at the end of the boating season last year. I changed the oil a couple times and put in some sea foam and let it run with the oil filler cap of to try and evaporate any water in it. I took the boat in to a mechanic to do a compression test this spring and check if there was a head gasket leak. Everything checked out ok. All that it looks like caused it was the riser gaskets were bad. I pulled the risers off and sure enough you could see where the gasket separating the exhaust and water was gone. About $10 later new gaskets added and another oil change and she should be good to go.
I will probably change the oil one more time after its maiden voyage.

Fin

bishab · Newbie Joined: 30 Sep 2008 Posts: 38 City: jacksonville

UPDATE[b]

Well after doing testing and narrowing it down they came to the conclusion that the head gasket needed to be replaced. While doing this they visually inspected the head on the starboard side of the engine. Well after it was all put back together and ran on the hose it is still getting water in the oil once the boat has warmed up. They now believe the head has a crack in it that was not visible so they are sending it to get magna fluxed. SO i guess even here in florida I am going to have to start using anitfreeze when I winterize. Who would have thought. They are atleast saying it would be considered freeze damage if the head or block has a crack in it so my insurance will take care of it.

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

Glad to hear it's getting figured out...sounds like you're ocvered. What's your deductible?

bishab · Newbie Joined: 30 Sep 2008 Posts: 38 City: jacksonville

My deductible is $300. BoatUS seems great so far.

Broccoli B · Posted: May 12, 2010 7:47 am Post subject:

I don't want to rain on your parade, but I believe BoatUS's freeze coverage says that you must provide proof that your boat was winterized. I would get that around If I were you.

rc5695 · Criminal Joined: 08 Feb 2010 Posts: 94 City: Greenville

good deal! Should even have it fixed before summer it looks like.

bishab · Newbie Joined: 30 Sep 2008 Posts: 38 City: jacksonville

Your not raining on my parade. I already spoke with BoatUS this morning and am working with my adjuster. How do you have proof when you winterize the boat yourself. I already had everything that I needed so I didnt have to buy anything. I told them exactly what I did and that I have my stabil and Fogging spray if they would like to see that.

Enygma · Soul Rider Joined: 26 Jul 2009 Posts: 356

There's another possibility. I hear If the water is still really cold it could crack the block too. But you really should have been using anti-freeze anyways. Lesson learned I guess.

dirtysparks · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 07 Jul 2004 Posts: 2428

I have a hard time believing this is freeze damage if you drained everything. Even if there is water in a low point, it will expand upwards as it freezes. If you drained everything there should be room for this. The antifreeze/no antifreeze argument has gone on forever.

Really cold water also does not crack a block....the only situation that would occur is if the engine was already up to temp with no water flow, and then cold water was applied somehow.

ridininmd · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Posts: 1231

If the head gasket was bad you could be looking at a warped head. Wouldn't be covered by insurance but not all that expensive either.

Broccoli B · Posted: May 13, 2010 7:51 am Post subject:

ridininmd, Yeah, could have been overheated at some point.

Grit dog · Newbie Joined: 18 Nov 2009 Posts: 18

bishab,
Doesn't sound like you did anything wrong winterizing. I do the same, minus fogging, which has no bearing on freezing.
I've winterized my Indmar engine(s) the same way for 9 years now. Boats hav never seen a drop of antifreeze until this year and I only used it in the ballast tanks on my new to me boat.
Blown head gasket is not likely freeze damage. Cracked head...possible, but that's about the highest point of the cooling system. Any trapped water is more likely to be down near the bottom of the block where sediment my block a water passage.
Sounds like a freak incident and if so, may not be covered by your freeze protection.
I'd go with the freeze theory and get it fixed quickly before the insurance company wises up.