313 & Backmobe

Medina · Posted: Dec 04, 2009 5:30 am Post subject: 313 & Backmobe

Hey, anybody of you guys did the 313 or Backmobe?

I need some tips about the rotation, so not the release, but once I am in the air, can you guys give me some pointers?

Thanks!

leviwynnyk · Posted: Dec 04, 2009 7:41 am Post subject:

We need a cable section just for Medina.

Medina · Posted: Dec 04, 2009 8:46 am Post subject:

holdsworth · Posted: Dec 04, 2009 4:30 pm Post subject:

Medina, on the back mobe just pull to your rear hip right when your chest is even with the cable. Don't have to throw it as hard as the backroll either or you'll over rotate.

McGoose · Outlaw Joined: 25 Jun 2004 Posts: 146 City: R.I.

We need a psychology section for medina to make 100% sure he knows that this talk of these difficult tricks is virtually meaningless in this forum since its all cable. And thus all 1000% easier for any huckster to pull off in a week or two with a daypass and his mom's willingness to drop him off at the park n ride. Well here in the UK we call it something else but regardless.

Cable tricks should get their own names just so there's no mistaking the fact that we're comparing apples and - I don't know. Little berries.

Like "Weenie 313" or "Lil' backmobe" or "whirly quack" or "Baby's first raley". Honestly this all has to stop. I'm more comfortable calling cable another entire sport than to be sharing names - and making it inclusive with actual real wreck yourself tricks like even TRYING a 313 behind a boat.

holdsworth · Posted: Dec 04, 2009 4:53 pm Post subject:

McGoose, are you serious? Rolling Eyes

Wakeboarding on cable is just as much of the sport as wakeboarding behind the boat. The tricks may come easier and people may progress faster than behind boat but it's just because the pull is up rather than out. The tricks are still difficult on cable but once you understand the pull from the cable and learn to control it, things come easier to you and you can progress. But saying all that stuff makes you sound like a f'king prick. Same with your quote by Nick Taylor you're a moron for not understanding the meaning of what he was saying.

McGoose · Outlaw Joined: 25 Jun 2004 Posts: 146 City: R.I.

I am 100% serious in premise but the post is a bit overwrought.

Cable is a joke and we all know it. Its fun, like riding a moped or for practicing moves on a new woman who weighs 60lbs + our normal 'ride'.

When you're being pulled at a 45 degree upward pull, what POSSIBLY isn't easier. Like a barefoot boom.

So, yes it was meant as kind of a joke post but in a way I really do mean it. Cable is easy. Popular but easy. Like McDonalds. Easy stuff is popular. Popular stuff is easy.

In other words cable is an interesting bunnyhill offshoot of wakeboarding that makes virtual wallys talk about ADVANCED stuff like it's nothing while the rest of us say... wait... that can't be right... You stuck a blind judge your third day riding ever? Really? Oh it was cable nevermind.

holdsworth · Posted: Dec 04, 2009 9:04 pm Post subject:

McGoose, can you do this stuff on cable?

JV · Posted: Dec 04, 2009 11:04 pm Post subject:

holdsworth, I'll answer that for you. No, I guarantee he can't.

McGoose, cable is NOT easier, just different. You may get a little more float and a softer landing on air tricks, but your edge still has to be perfect and your body control impeccable. A few of my friends worked at TSR and are beasts on cable, but suck behind boat. Shane Bonifay rips behind boat, but looks like a tool on cable. So again, not easier, just different.

But hey, next time I see Tom Fooshee I'll be sure to tell him cable's a joke, and the fact that he used cable training to bring 90% of his tricks to boat isn't impressive.

Medina · Posted: Dec 05, 2009 1:40 am Post subject:

Erik · Posted: Dec 05, 2009 7:51 am Post subject:

Aww that old troll... laugh him off. Don't fall for McGoose's tricks.

Also - seriously - don't bring up Tom Fooshee every time someone challenges cable. That's like crying for Mommy and even he has to be sick of it at this point. He's not the crowned Dean of Cable wakeboarding, and probably doesn't want the job. Don't do what someone over at the other site did once a poo storm was kicked about cableboarding and Tom's pete 7.

They went and got him, and he posted.

And he said "thanks"! And everyone was like "SEE!!!!"

See what? Nothing.

And actually a good plenty of tricks actually are easier on cable, especially glide/raley tricks and some slider stuff. I can tell you that first hand. That, and some, no, not all, other tricks are easier. But ...aplently are easier to get down on cable and then go try behind a boat. How anyone would deny that hurts my brain. Talk to any pro. Talk to me. Talk to others who talk with pros.

Also fight the McGoose with real firepower. Not something he can come back and dismiss easily, or get thrown out of court by showing you videos of people doing air scarecrow mobes with their arm through the handle, or running the length of a slider with only the toeside edge in contact with the slider.

Medina · Posted: Dec 05, 2009 12:14 pm Post subject:

I have do admit, that to learn the backmobe on the cable is easier then wake.

Its because of this, by a boat, the pop comes easier, you see the wake, just some timing and poof! But the landing! Most of the time you will feel that other wake at your board wich wil slack you offbalance.

When you land on the second wake, its gonna be so hard... for example, to land blind. For that, you need big air, you need to take it in the flats.

But you can only do this once you have real edge control and timing, wich takes alot of training and time.

Erik · Posted: Dec 05, 2009 1:05 pm Post subject:

See! Medina, you're already part of the solution rather than part of the problem.

Good introspective analysis!

JV · Posted: Dec 05, 2009 8:12 pm Post subject:

Erik, I only brought up Tom because I know the guy. Not well, mind you, but a couple of my good friends know him as well as anyone. He's literally at TSR everytime I've ever been, so I'd imagine his cable to boat riding time is at least 10:1, yet he's still a fringe pro rider behind boat, despite all other pros dwarfing him in sets per week. Nick Davies fits that bill as well. Clearly, cable is a useful wakeboarding tool, not the kiddie pool of the sport.

I'd agree raley/glide tricks are easier due to the added time, less tension, and softer landings, but that's about it (ok, probably rails too). There are also plenty of tricks that are harder on cable. To my knowledge, Tom's the only one to do an air crow 5 on cable despite 100 riders (including himself) being able to do a crow 5 behind boat. Ask anyone who's tried a KGB on cable which is easier. It cracked me up when people discredited 10's done on cable. Cable parks have been around since wakeboarding started, and less 10's have been landed on cable. Yet it's way easier on cable? Oh, ok. Danny, Rusty and Rathy are regulars at OWC...why aren't they stomping 10's every lap? Not easier, just different.

Also, his Pete 7 is the sickest thing I've ever seen done on a wakeboard...by far. That said, the physics probably wouldn't allow that trick behind boat anytime soon. But just because it can't be done on boat, it doesn't take away from its difficulty on cable.

holdsworth · Posted: Dec 05, 2009 8:59 pm Post subject:

JV, very much agreed on the Pete 7. So smooth, looks amazing.

waterdork88 · Outlaw Joined: 09 Oct 2004 Posts: 221 City: lake placid

We should say that winching is a completely different sport that deserves different names aswell because its not cable or boat... Same goes for being pulled by a jetski because I only use sliders and not the practically unexistent wake... And hey, if I get pulled by a fourwheeler by the ocean that should be a new sport too with its own tricks.

BTW anyone find it wierd how Nick Davies became a professional with the cableboarding and then he tried wakeboarding (which in no way should be connected with cableboarding) and became rediculously good at it much faster than any other noob getting into wakeboarding...

Seriously McGoose? Rolling Eyes

Medina · Posted: Dec 06, 2009 12:56 am Post subject:

Well, now were talking about boardcontrol. Thats something youre gonna need both at the cable and boat. So ultimatly its not about the tendency arround the situation, so boat or cable, THATS different, and on THAT you need to apply, wich takes some time.

For cablers going to boat will eventually pick it up and reach there level of cable riding, and viceversa.

leviwynnyk · Posted: Dec 06, 2009 7:40 am Post subject:

I think McGoose was a but harsh, but there is a slight bit of truth to his posts. I mean if you take an average beginning rider, how long does it take one learning on the boat how to do a Raley and one on a Cable? I'd bet money on the cable cause it's easier. That's not a bash, but it is easier to learn these tricks on a cable and that's ok. Anyone who's felt the pain of a raley crash behind the boat can relate.

Also bring up Davies or Fooshee is using the 2 of the best cable riders in the world for a comparrission, they aren't exactly average and it's obvious the cable helped their boat riding but they are both turbo talented too!

I'm planning on making a trip to Floride this winter to try out a cable park for a few days. It looks like so much fun and a great way to progress. Then I'll have more to chat with medina about too.

Medina · Posted: Dec 06, 2009 10:01 am Post subject:

I am curious if you can get the flickaway right.

waterdork88 · Outlaw Joined: 09 Oct 2004 Posts: 221 City: lake placid

The way I look at it... move for move it may be "easier" to do moves on a cable than a boat, but since its "easier" it allows more difficult moves to be done on a cable that have not yet happened on a boat. Which more difficult moves defeats the purpose of calling it "easier" in my opinion.

Sure its very difficult to do an S-bend behind a boat, but the cable riders are doing double S-bend to blind and sometimes tripple. I doubt theres a soul on here that would say tripple S-bends are "easy" Laughing

Medina · Posted: Dec 07, 2009 2:06 am Post subject:

Double Sbends are already very hard for wakeboards, also for talented youngsters that are sponsored. Its not something you do with ease and steeze... Laughing

Oh, and dont forget tricks to the inside ofthe lake, and then toeside flickaways. These are REALLY hard to make.