Help 04 Wakesetter 23 LSV or 07 Mobius LSV??????

MK_Deuce · Newbie Joined: 21 Jul 2009 Posts: 24

I can get the wakesetter for about $1500 more than the mobius but it has about 50 more hours. Both of them are in great cond w/ few hours and really a good price. I need to act now as others are interested in both boats and I really dont have time to test each one since they are about 7 hours away. The Mobius is basically loaded with everything but tower speakers. Here is the kicker, the malibu doesnt come with any factory or aftermarket ballast and doesn't have perfect pass. I am really wanting to start wakesurfing with either boat so I would have to add water sacks and throw the pump over side to fill & empty on the malibu. Dont know how much of a pain that would be. However the Mobius has push button ballast & I am assuming the mobius would have enough ballast with the gravity 3 system to wake surf. Basically it is newer mobius w/ more options vs the luxury/size of the 3 year older malibu that I would have to fat sack out. I love the look & size of the malibu but the options on the mobius are nice too. Help cant decide. Any info appreciated on either boat.

Boost Deuce · Criminal Joined: 24 Apr 2009 Posts: 94 City: Fort Collins

Having perfect pass, i would never want to own or drive a boat without it.

killer52 · Newbie Joined: 22 Oct 2008 Posts: 46

mobius all the way, whats the point in an old wakesetter with no ballast or perfect pass, its going to cost you more coin for what?? a Malibu sticker on the side of the boat!! Not worth it, get the mobius, buy some speakers when you can.

STANG KILLA SS · Posted: Sep 23, 2009 4:58 am Post subject:

that mobius has the newer (current) hull. 06 and up have them.

i love my 03. and yes throws a nice surf wake.
pic here 3rd post i think
http://forums.wakeboarder.com/viewtopic.php?t=83985

Sandbagger · Outlaw Joined: 10 Jun 2008 Posts: 154

That sounds like a sunsetter lsv, not a wakesetter and would not even consider without ballasts.

Also, if you are going to surf and want a really decent wake it is highly likely you will have to add weight no matter if the boat has factory ballasts or not, maybe as much as 1500 to 2500 lbs., unless you get an Enzo.

kyle f · Addict Joined: 14 Aug 2008 Posts: 835 City: Norris Lake

NEither boat as they sit are going to throw a good surf wake without some extra ballast. The tanks in the Mobius are just not big enough to get a good listing going.

However, with that said... no perfect pass is the deal breaker for me. Surfing will be very hard to control the speed without it.

Blindside_137 · Posted: Sep 23, 2009 3:47 pm Post subject:

I don't remember when malibu started their own cruise control setting but for quite some time they've not been selling boats with 'perfect pass.' It's called malibu precision speed control or something and works perfectly on our 08.

That being said, that lsv may very well not have any speed control mechanism, and if it is in fact a sunsetter like sandbagger said, forget surfing.. and forget it all together for that price difference

leviwynnyk · Posted: Sep 24, 2009 3:41 pm Post subject:

The mobius bags can be easily and cheaply upgraded to 750 lbs per side in the rear making it great for surfing. I have a Mobius XLV, and it's great for surfing with 750 per side.

STANG KILLA SS · Posted: Sep 27, 2009 10:31 am Post subject:

kyle f · Addict Joined: 14 Aug 2008 Posts: 835 City: Norris Lake

leviwynnyk · Posted: Sep 27, 2009 9:02 pm Post subject:

No I haven't been behind an MB, but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.

I used to have the 450's (GG is 450 lbs, NOT 750 Lbs on each side in the rear) and now with them upgraded to 750's and even with only 1 person in the boat I can drop the rope and surf for as long as I want. With a few more people in the boat, the surf wave gets very big. We might fill up the front to maybe 25% but it's not even necessary.

For us regulars we hardley surf anymore because it isn't much of a challenge. After you can drop the rope and slash the wave for 20 minutes straight, it gets boring. We usually end up doing stupid things like surfing sitting down or holding the rope taking it up to 30mph, this is a lot harder then you'd think.

BTW my boat is an XLV (23 foot, biggest Moomba made) so that might have something to do with the surf wave being bigger. Next time we are out I'll snap a pic of the wave.

kyle f · Addict Joined: 14 Aug 2008 Posts: 835 City: Norris Lake

If you haven't surfed a variety of boat... its has a lot to do with everything. Just like wakeboarding, each wake is a little different and how you set the boat up has a lot to do with that. As an Entire line, MB is probably the best surf boats on the market right out of the box.

I though dude was telling me his sacs were 750s and the factory was 500 on his XLV GG's boat. So, my bad. I was going off what he said and what we used.

I spent a lot of time with him and his boat twaekling the wake. As I stated above, and maybe with the weights inproper, made a very long useable wave. You said it yourself when you get people in the boat it makes it better.... hence why I said use weight on the bench. I usually only take 2 or 3 people out to Board... so when we are done I usually only have a driver and spotter, plus rider. I don't use the sac on the bench if I have enough people with me.

As far as doing stupid things liek surf sitting down... thats the same as saying after wakeboarding for 10minutes, because I can stay up as long as I want, I get bord and start doing stupid things like board slides and ollies.

Same difference, if you can ride for ever, start doing tricks... do some spins, airs, and make it fun.

Sandbagger · Outlaw Joined: 10 Jun 2008 Posts: 154

So Kyle, at what point did the OP ask about MB? What does MB have to do with this thread? And the MB is still not a good surf boat without added ballasts.

kyle f · Addict Joined: 14 Aug 2008 Posts: 835 City: Norris Lake

leviwynnyk · Posted: Sep 28, 2009 9:44 am Post subject:

I kind of agree with Sandbagger, seemed more like a chance for you to brag about your MB and how it's the best. I don't doubt it's an awesome boat, I've never had the pleasure of riding behind an MB. The ballast system looks just killer.

My point was that with the 750 in the rear, you don't NEED anything more to make a decent surfable wave. As others mentioned, more ballast or weight makes a better wave (duh) but the 750's are enough to surf with and it would be better the then Malibu.

Blindside_137 · Posted: Sep 28, 2009 2:37 pm Post subject:

yea I still don't see the point of bringing up MB surfs the best woooo.. It's all preference. I could say a mastercraft X-2 has a dirty surf wake, and it's weighted like this.... but the OP is not looking at an x-2 and likely the best wave from a mobius requires a different weight setup than the x-2, or your MB.

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kyle f · Addict Joined: 14 Aug 2008 Posts: 835 City: Norris Lake

Woa thread police... I believe I spelled out how to weigh the Moomba based off how MB does it.

Blindside_137 · Posted: Sep 29, 2009 7:06 am Post subject:

yes, again I find that odd.. I'm not gonna tell someone how to setup their boat based on how we do ours. Now you were out on 2 Mobius' before correct? Maybe let him know how the waves were on those if you surfed and how they were setup if you remember.

kyle f · Addict Joined: 14 Aug 2008 Posts: 835 City: Norris Lake

Blindside_137 · Posted: Sep 29, 2009 10:05 am Post subject:

Well you only said GG boat so I didn't know if that was in reference to one of the supra's you said you were behind or not.

Later on I see you said XLV so my bad. But saying something like "It's obvious you never surfed an MB" is just beyond me. I'm glad you like your boat so much, I'd hate to not be happy.

Regardless,

MK_Deuce, If you're dead set on these two boats the Mobius is the way to go.