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Neognosis Ladies Man
Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster
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Posted: Jul 16, 2014 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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LFADAM, I agree with you completely.
I found this a few minutes ago, I find it interesting. I absolutely hate answering these questions, resent being asked, and feel it is an invasion of my privacy.
If I'm speeding, then give me a ticket. where I'm going and where I've been is none of your business.
http://jayrameylaw.com/know-your-rights/ _________________ I walk 47 miles of barb wire, I got a cobra snake for a necktie, a brand new house up on the road side, and it's made out of rattlesnake hide |
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eeven73 PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 5377 City: Halfway
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Posted: Jul 16, 2014 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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Highway Patrol isnt getting decreased anytime soon because of the revenue it provides. _________________ Is President Obama a Keynesian? |
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Neognosis Ladies Man
Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster
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Posted: Jul 17, 2014 4:04 am Post subject: |
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You are right, of course.
But that's a problem in and of itself.
17 mile trip to work this morning, saw three people pulled over by cops, and a fourth cop waiting at another trap.
Meanwhile, Rochester NY has one of the highest murder rates. _________________ I walk 47 miles of barb wire, I got a cobra snake for a necktie, a brand new house up on the road side, and it's made out of rattlesnake hide |
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ohsix PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 6837
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Posted: Jul 17, 2014 5:54 am Post subject: |
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Neognosis wrote: | Quote: | I was pulled over last week on the way to work. I was traveling parallel to a city cop for probably 2 miles. I was paying close attention to my speed as the speed limit was 35 and I knew there was a cop right next to me. As soon as I signaled and slowed to turn off that road, the cop pulled behind me and turned on his lights. He asked if I was in a hurry because I was doing 43 in a 35. I know as absolute fact I was not going 43 and I did not exceed 38 mph the entire time I was on that road. I didn't argue with him, but just told him I wasn't in a hurry. He asked where I was going, which I know isn't any of his business, but I told him I was on my way to work which he asked where I worked, where I office, how long I had worked there, and other unnecessary questions. I answered them all respectfully and he let me go with a verbal warning even though my insurance card expired almost a year ago (my insurance is current, I just failed to put a new card in the vehicle). |
I'm not sure what the point of your story was.
At first I thought you were going to tell a story of how you being respectful ended up being a good thing that ended in you having a good cop experience.
But then you wrote a story about a cop lying to you, throwing his weight around, and invading your privacy with questions that have nothing to do with the speeding violation, which was trumped up anyway.
Are you saying that your story is an example of how you should interact with the police?
You got off with no ticket, but what happened to you, while it was not being falsely arrested and charged or electrocuted, is absolutely unacceptable to me and a small example of the all to routine abuse of police powers. Powers they should not have. |
I started typing that post, got distracted, saw it on my browser later and thought I closed it without posting. I think I had more to say when I started that post, but I can't remember now where I was going. I'm sure I could have bitched at the cop for pulling me over for no reason, escalated the situation, been handcuffed and forced to wait in the back of a cop car while he searched my vehicle and found my expired insurance card (console) and handgun (glove box) which might lead to more problems. Instead, I respectfully answered the cops unnecessary questions, made him feel like he was important for that minute or so, and was on my way to work. |
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Neognosis Ladies Man
Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster
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Posted: Jul 17, 2014 6:05 am Post subject: |
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I think you did the right thing by not bitching.
Legally, I think they can pull you over whenever they want.
However, what you essentially did was give up some of your rights to avoid a hassle. And in your case, that likely made the most sense.
However, I am dismayed by this and think that one reason that the police behave as they do is because we allow them to.
The next time I get stopped at a routine DWI checkpoint or a routine traffic stop, when I'm asked where I"m going, I am going to say the following:
"Officer, I don't mean any disrespect at all, and I know you are just trying to do your job. I don't want to tell you where I'm going." _________________ I walk 47 miles of barb wire, I got a cobra snake for a necktie, a brand new house up on the road side, and it's made out of rattlesnake hide |
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E.J. Ladies Man
Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 7597 City: Mogadishu
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Posted: Jul 17, 2014 6:09 am Post subject: |
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^^^ I think the unnecessary questions are just "police work" so to speak. Seeing if you'd get rattled, if something would come of it. I assume at times it does. Someone with something to hide, becomes rattled and they find heroin in the car ect. Not saying it is right or wrong, just how they work I assume. |
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jt09 Ladies Man
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin
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Posted: Jul 17, 2014 7:34 am Post subject: |
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E.J. wrote: | ^^^ I think the unnecessary questions are just "police work" so to speak. Seeing if you'd get rattled, if something would come of it. I assume at times it does. Someone with something to hide, becomes rattled and they find heroin in the car ect. Not saying it is right or wrong, just how they work I assume. |
the cop pulled him over for no reason and lied about the reason for pulling him over. just police work today? unfortunately.
remember, we're not talking about some shady character in a ragged out car - ohsix is 30ish, white professional who drives a high end pickup, porsche or range rover. cops not looking for criminal activity, he's looking for ticket revenue. |
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Okie Boarder Ladies Man
Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond
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Posted: Jul 17, 2014 8:30 am Post subject: |
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LFADAM wrote: | Neognosis, when I was in a favela in Rio, the police were definitely a comforting sight. Even in NYC, I like seeing NYPD around. That's my philosophy...large urban areas need cops because there are actual crimes occurring. Highways through podunkville, USA do not. I really want to see the ratio of cops to citizens of Yanceyville, NC in particular (compared to a medium or large US city). If I were in charge, I would slash highway patrols, sheriff's offices, etc by 25-50% immediately. |
There's a lot to be said about your points. One thing to consider is that police can be in a position of not being held accountable, while a sheriff could be held to a different level of accountability, since it is an elected position. We would be better off to have sheriff's and no police, but certainly a reduction would be reasonable, especially in rural areas. _________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? |
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Okie Boarder Ladies Man
Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond
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Posted: Jul 17, 2014 8:35 am Post subject: |
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Neognosis wrote: | LFADAM, I agree with you completely.
I found this a few minutes ago, I find it interesting. I absolutely hate answering these questions, resent being asked, and feel it is an invasion of my privacy.
If I'm speeding, then give me a ticket. where I'm going and where I've been is none of your business.
http://jayrameylaw.com/know-your-rights/ |
Good example, for sure. Funny that you linked an attorney in OK. _________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? |
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fish6942 Addict
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 603
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Posted: Jul 17, 2014 10:01 am Post subject: |
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LFADAM wrote: | ... If I were in charge, I would slash highway patrols, sheriff's offices, etc by 25-50% immediately. |
Let me guess, you live in the city? |
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jryoung Ladies Man
Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose
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Posted: Jul 17, 2014 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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#TBT edition
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Quote: | You don't meet many old vegans. It's mostly young priviliged kids trying to figure out where they stand in the world. | - Steve Rinella |
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Neognosis Ladies Man
Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster
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Posted: Jul 18, 2014 3:23 am Post subject: |
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confiscating kegs buried in the sand? _________________ I walk 47 miles of barb wire, I got a cobra snake for a necktie, a brand new house up on the road side, and it's made out of rattlesnake hide |
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LFADAM PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
Joined: 25 Aug 2003 Posts: 5283 City: New York City
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Posted: Jul 18, 2014 5:07 am Post subject: |
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fish6942, no. The town I live in has less than five traffic lights, "downtown" is a strip mall, and the population is under 30,000 I would guess.
eeven73, you're right about the revenue, but how much money would they save by cutting the jobs? It seems like they write tickets to pay their own salaries. Getting rid of useless jobs would force them to find new work, either at an established company or maybe starting their own business (which either way would generate tax revenue). |
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Neognosis Ladies Man
Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster
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Posted: Jul 18, 2014 6:20 am Post subject: |
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Do you know that NYC didn't have its own Police force for years and years, and the forming of a police force was a controversial and much debated thing, with many people afraid that having a non-elected police force was giving the government too much power?
We need more of that spirit. _________________ I walk 47 miles of barb wire, I got a cobra snake for a necktie, a brand new house up on the road side, and it's made out of rattlesnake hide |
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jryoung Ladies Man
Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose
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Posted: Jul 18, 2014 8:03 am Post subject: |
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Neognosis wrote: | confiscating kegs buried in the sand? |
The sheriff stopped by at first and had to leave for another call. He said he'd be back so we hid a couple. At least this is what I can remember of it. _________________
Quote: | You don't meet many old vegans. It's mostly young priviliged kids trying to figure out where they stand in the world. | - Steve Rinella |
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jt09 Ladies Man
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin
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Posted: Jul 18, 2014 8:15 am Post subject: |
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video here: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8ae_1405660548
New York City police officers killed a man Thursday after he had broken up a fight between two other men, insisting on placing him in a chokehold and slamming his head to the pavement, piling on top of him as he gasped for air, continually telling the cops that he couldn't breathe.
The entire incident was caught on video from a witness who kept telling the cops that the man had not committed a crime.
But evidently, the cops suspected him of selling untaxed cigarettes, which apparently is a very serious crime in New York City.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/staten-island-man-dies-puts-choke-hold-article-1.1871486
A 400-pound asthmatic Staten Island dad died Thursday after a cop put him in a chokehold and other officers appeared to slam his head against the sidewalk, video of the incident shows.
“I can’t breathe! I can’t breathe!” Eric Garner, 43, repeatedly screamed after at least five NYPD officers took him down in front of a Tompkinsville beauty supply store when he balked at being handcuffed.
Within moments Garner, a married father of six children with two grandchildren, stopped struggling and appeared to be unconscious as police called paramedics to the scene. An angry crowd gathered, some recording with smartphones.
“When I kissed my husband this morning, I never thought it would be for the last time,” Garner’s wife, Esaw, told the Daily News.
She got no details from police until after she had gone to the hospital to identify his body, she said.
“I saw him with his eyes wide open and I said, ‘Babe, don’t leave me, I need you.’ But he was already gone,” she said.
A family friend searching for her in the hospital ran into detectives from the NYPD’s Internal Affairs Division. The friend put them on the phone with her, the grieving widow said.
She spoke with a Detective Howard, who told her, “I’m sorry for your loss,” she said. He said his office was involved “because there is wrongdoing,” she said.
Police officials said Garner had a history of arrests for selling untaxed cigarettes. Cops said they observed him selling his wares Thursday on Bay St. and moved in for an arrest.
An NYPD spokesman would only say the man “was being placed in custody, went into cardiac arrest and died” at Richmond University Medical Center.
But Esaw Garner and other family members said it was a trumped up claim.
“They’re covering their asses, he was breaking up a fight. They harassed and harassed my husband until they killed him,” she said. Garner’s family said he didn’t have any cigarettes on him or in his car at the time of his death.
She said she pleaded with police at the hospital to tell her what happened, but they brushed her off.
“They wouldn’t tell me anything,” she said. |
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eeven73 PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 5377 City: Halfway
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Posted: Jul 18, 2014 8:46 am Post subject: |
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Central Washington? _________________ Is President Obama a Keynesian? |
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E.J. Ladies Man
Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 7597 City: Mogadishu
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Posted: Jul 18, 2014 9:13 am Post subject: |
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jryoung wrote: | Neognosis wrote: | confiscating kegs buried in the sand? |
The sheriff stopped by at first and had to leave for another call. He said he'd be back so we hid a couple. At least this is what I can remember of it. |
What's wrong with having kegs on the beach?
Well, anywhere but in Utah, where the general public are forbidden from having kegs.... |
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eeven73 PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 5377 City: Halfway
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Posted: Jul 18, 2014 9:14 am Post subject: |
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Oregon _________________ Is President Obama a Keynesian? |
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Neognosis Ladies Man
Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster
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Posted: Jul 18, 2014 9:24 am Post subject: |
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Was it legal to have kegs on the beach?
This kind of seems like cops doing their jobs, not really in the same league as cops shooting people's dogs for no good reason or harassing people and violating their civil rights at traffic stops.
Unless there's more to it.
As for the cops who suffocated that guy who might have been selling untaxed cigarettes, the crowd should have turned on them, rioted, and beat them. That, I believe, is what our forefathers would have done. Forefathers who did not want a standing army or police force for reasons like these.
The police are should serve and fear the public, and be held accountable to the public, not the opposite. _________________ I walk 47 miles of barb wire, I got a cobra snake for a necktie, a brand new house up on the road side, and it's made out of rattlesnake hide |
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jryoung Ladies Man
Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose
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Posted: Jul 18, 2014 9:36 am Post subject: |
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eeven73 wrote: | Central Washington? |
Yep, on the Columbia just south of Vantage.
Neognosis my post was mostly in jest, was just trying to make a funny. But, the reason they were confiscated was that they tags/permits had been removed by us and the water/sand. In Washington, the permittee can be held liable for underage drinking so it's the first thing to come off the kegs. _________________
Quote: | You don't meet many old vegans. It's mostly young priviliged kids trying to figure out where they stand in the world. | - Steve Rinella |
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Okie Boarder Ladies Man
Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond
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Posted: Jul 18, 2014 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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Neognosis wrote: | Do you know that NYC didn't have its own Police force for years and years, and the forming of a police force was a controversial and much debated thing, with many people afraid that having a non-elected police force was giving the government too much power?
We need more of that spirit. |
Yep _________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? |
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jt09 Ladies Man
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin
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jt09 Ladies Man
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin
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Posted: Jul 19, 2014 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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From the info on his facebook page he was charged with jaywalking. He also got a $300.00 fine for not obeying the officer. https://www.facebook.com/splashgod |
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jt09 Ladies Man
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin
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Neognosis Ladies Man
Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster
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Posted: Jul 20, 2014 7:17 am Post subject: |
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Though his facts are very often far from accurate, I do agree with Bill Maher on this.
I think what he says in the video above about the Tea Party is especially poignant. _________________ I walk 47 miles of barb wire, I got a cobra snake for a necktie, a brand new house up on the road side, and it's made out of rattlesnake hide |
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LFADAM PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
Joined: 25 Aug 2003 Posts: 5283 City: New York City
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Posted: Jul 20, 2014 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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I can't believe this 21 Jump Street stuff is real. I remember seeing that movie and instantly thinking "there's no way that would ever work/happen in real life." This is so ridiculous.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8af0QPhJ22s[/youtube] |
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jt09 Ladies Man
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin
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pet575 Wakeboarder.com Freak
Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 3630 City: Kansas City, MO
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Posted: Aug 13, 2014 8:45 am Post subject: |
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Anyone been following along with the Ferguson, MO stuff? I don't have anything really good to post but the two sides of the story are interestingly different. Only thing everyone can agree upon is that the cop shot at someone who was several yards away and fleeing. _________________
Wakebrad wrote: | I honestly think it has to do with internet penetration... |
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Posted: Aug 13, 2014 9:20 am Post subject: |
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i haven't followed that too closely, but i'd say it was a smart decision not to release the cop's id to the idiot masses. |
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chavez Ladies Man
Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 27375 City: Roseville
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eeven73 PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 5377 City: Halfway
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Posted: Aug 14, 2014 7:10 am Post subject: |
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Complete Bubb Rubb.
mix one part powertrippin officer with one part I know my rights guy and you have a recipe for ongoing confrontations.
I don't know wtf the cops should do. Pulling back certainly will have a consequence as well. "Why didn't the cops protect my store/home/car etc..."
Totally agree with delaying release of officers name. I would imagine his home and family would be is severe danger immediatly. _________________ Is President Obama a Keynesian? |
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pet575 Wakeboarder.com Freak
Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 3630 City: Kansas City, MO
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Posted: Aug 14, 2014 7:12 am Post subject: |
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We've had discussions on here about the militarization of the police forces here in the U.S. over the past 15-20 years. This story is an excellent illustration of that. The whole removal of the media, arresting people for recording video, etc. is pretty rub bubbing scary to me. It offense many of my senses of "protect and serve" and "substantial justice."
I understand crowd control v. civil disobedience and all, but Ferguson, Missouri is FAR from a "war zone." They didn't even have a single homicide on the books in 2014 prior to last week.
It will never happen, but if that cop did what he was alleged to have done, they should ID him and drop him off in the middle of town to fend for himself. _________________
Wakebrad wrote: | I honestly think it has to do with internet penetration... |
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chavez Ladies Man
Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 27375 City: Roseville
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Posted: Aug 14, 2014 7:42 am Post subject: |
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eeven73, so you are cool with the cops arresting journalists who are there covering the story? I'm pretty sure they do know their rights and I'm 100% sure they were well within them grabbing a bite at Mickey D's.
What I think the police should do, is step back (way back) and protect life and property ONLY. There are clearly enough officers there to do that from what we have all seen in the news coverage.
Oh, and for crap's sake they should definitely NOT arrest journalists or local lawmakers. That is just bubb rubbing stupid.
As for releasing his name: the officer was acting in a public capacity when he shot Brown. That info has to be made available under a FOIA request. I've read that they have 3 days to produce it or have to explain the delay. I'm guessing pet575 knows way more about FOIA requests than we do as an atty in MO. _________________
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jt09 Ladies Man
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin
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Posted: Aug 14, 2014 7:48 am Post subject: |
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chavez wrote: | That info has to be made available under a FOIA request. |
not necessarily. we're still waiting on the dashcam video from an arrest here in austin that happened on nye 2012/2013. police chief withholding due to an "ongoing investigation."
just saying there's ways for the pc to get around the foia. |
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