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ky1e Wakeboarder.com Freak


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Posted: May 20, 2009 5:49 am Post subject: Axis Wake...SLAMMIN'!!! |
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http://www.wakeworld.com/Galleries/GetImage.asp?GalleryID=601&ImageID=7
This is the first video that they have really shown off the wake and it looks pretty sick to me. It comes with 2100 lbs of ballast which is pretty sick because filling sacks sucks, and to me looks wayyyy better than a loaded VLX wake _________________ Liquid Force
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STANG KILLA SS Wakeboarder.Commie


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Posted: May 20, 2009 7:33 am Post subject: |
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im so torn. new camaro or axis boat. arg. _________________
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DRAGON88 Ladies Man


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Posted: May 20, 2009 7:51 am Post subject: |
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ilubronix, funny you say that, because my understanding is that it's pretty much an SV25 hull in a frock. IE the hull that you have hated for many years... _________________ wakeboards
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STANG KILLA SS Wakeboarder.Commie


Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 2086 City: Killeen TX
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Posted: May 20, 2009 7:59 am Post subject: |
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whats the price? i thouht it was 35k, and 40k "loaded"
there were guys talking near 50k?
is the plug and play something that can be bought and installed later? whats that system cost? is the wedge extra? _________________
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Posted: May 20, 2009 8:10 am Post subject: |
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check the link on the axis bag kit I setup at boardstop. that is the extra ballast you would need. since it is BFI.. It should just be a clip in system using all their quick connect stuff.. 35K could be the boat with no options and no trailer??
I think options include(but do not hold me to it)
-wedge
-stereo
-factory ballast
-bimini _________________ Wakeskating
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ky1e Wakeboarder.com Freak


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Posted: May 20, 2009 8:20 am Post subject: |
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DRAGON88, i'm pretty sure its the old vlx hull ie v-ride which is the hull that I have always loved. It looks just like an old vlx wake in that vid too. _________________ Liquid Force
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DRAGON88 Ladies Man


Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 8213 City: Portland, OR
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Posted: May 20, 2009 9:19 am Post subject: |
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ilubronix, nope. It is not based on the SV23 hull. It's riding on a SV25 hull, just like the 05-08 VLX.... _________________ wakeboards
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STANG KILLA SS Wakeboarder.Commie


Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 2086 City: Killeen TX
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Posted: May 20, 2009 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| flixmaster wrote: | check the link on the axis bag kit I setup at boardstop. that is the extra ballast you would need. since it is BFI.. It should just be a clip in system using all their quick connect stuff.. 35K could be the boat with no options and no trailer??
I think options include(but do not hold me to it)
-wedge
-stereo
-factory ballast
-bimini |
that looks perfect Ed, and a good price too.
standard lists a double axle with discs. so i could assume that includes a trailer?
it also listed the 800-900 stock ballast as standard. maybe standard still costs extra over "base" though? _________________
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flixmaster Site Owner


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Posted: May 20, 2009 10:51 am Post subject: |
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If that is a Axis trailer from the factory then I assume that it is whatever the specs say.
There is a stock ballast so if that is covered in the base then that is just the hardtanks in the floor. The extra ballast you can buy are the BFI bags that go in the boat in the areas from that video.
I guess I could have just checked out the website.. there is a huge amount of options listed...
ChillAX Center Flip Up Seats
Docking Lights
Under Seat LED Lighting
Removable Carpet
Sony Splashproof Stereo
MTX Thunder Marine Series Speakers
MTX 10" Thunder Marine Series Subwoofer
MTX Tower Thunder Marine Series Speakers
Plug N’ Play Ballast System
Auto-set Wedge
Bimini Top
Fixed Wakeboard Rack
Custom Cover
AR335 ETX/CAT [CA Required]
High Altitude Propeller
Flush Kit
Battery Isolator Switch
Pull-up Cleats
Flip-up Bolster Seat
Heater 3-Outlet
MTX 2X400W Thunder Marine Series Amp
Splashproof Transom Remote
Depth Finder
Polished Stainless FatAX Tower
Tower Mirror
Swivel Wakeboard Rack
Quick-collapse Knobs
Tandem Axle w/Disc Brakes
Stainless Steel Tread Plates
Blacked-out 18" Mag Wheels
Runway Lights
2-tone Paint
Rear Trailer Ratchets _________________ Wakeskating
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JeffreyCH Wakeboarder.Commie


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Posted: May 20, 2009 10:56 am Post subject: |
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STANG KILLA SS, just say F it and pull the trigger  _________________
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STANG KILLA SS Wakeboarder.Commie


Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 2086 City: Killeen TX
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Posted: May 20, 2009 11:30 am Post subject: |
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in this economy that would be pretty dumb, especially in my housing feild. im more a planer. work out the finances to the minut detail. and have a back up plan just in case.
i dont have the money of most of the guys on this board. but love the sport just the same
but yes ive had my eye on this axis since the first sneak peak Cad Renderings were released. always been a supporter. _________________
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JeffreyCH Wakeboarder.Commie


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Posted: May 20, 2009 11:53 am Post subject: |
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STANG KILLA SS, I was just kidding man, I really wish I could afford a new boat myself, but all my stuff is paid for and I'd rather spend that money on going to the lake. What's the point of having a new boat if you have no money for gas, beer, bbq, ect. _________________
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Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 531 City: Huntsville, AL
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Posted: May 20, 2009 11:57 am Post subject: |
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| STANG KILLA SS wrote: | | im so torn. new camaro or axis boat. arg. |
Here's some real-life crash info on the new Camaro that may help you choose Stang Killa.... Sorry to go off topic.
Sorry again... guess the link would help.
http://www.5thgen.org/forum/showthread.php?p=140109 _________________ Jason
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MasonH Soul Rider

Joined: 10 Jan 2009 Posts: 422 City: Eufaula
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Posted: May 20, 2009 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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At first I wasn't so stoked on it but I REALLY dig that all black boat..Consider me a new fan now..
But I'm still 550% SAN  |
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ky1e Wakeboarder.com Freak


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Posted: May 21, 2009 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| DRAGON88 wrote: | | ilubronix, nope. It is not based on the SV23 hull. It's riding on a SV25 hull, just like the 05-08 VLX.... |
Damn, well I guess they figured out exactly how to weight in then lol. Why would malibu do that? It doesn't make any sense to me. There is NO REASON to buy a vlx now if you can get the Axis with the same hull that comes with more built in ballast for $20k less. On top of that, to me its a really nice looking boat. That black is sharp. The wake in the video looks exactly like a well weighted X-1. _________________ Liquid Force
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DRAGON88 Ladies Man


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Posted: May 21, 2009 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| ilubronix wrote: | | Damn, well I guess they figured out exactly how to weight in then lol. Why would malibu do that? It doesn't make any sense to me. There is NO REASON to buy a vlx now if you can get the Axis with the same hull that comes with more built in ballast for $20k less. On top of that, to me its a really nice looking boat. That black is sharp. The wake in the video looks exactly like a well weighted X-1. |
New VLX is on a different hull now, as of 2009. So basically it's competing with the V-ride, which is now the 2005-2008 VLX. I'll be curious to see what these boats are coming out the door priced at, the X1 was also suppose to be around $40k IIRC, but good luck finding one priced like that.
It's also hard to judge a boat by video alone, who knows maybe you'll hate it as much as you hate the SV25 hulled VLX... Then again, I've never understood why you have so much hate for it, it's a pretty versatile hull in regards to what wake shape you want... _________________ wakeboards
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ky1e Wakeboarder.com Freak


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Posted: May 21, 2009 6:02 am Post subject: |
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DRAGON88, I was at the miami boat show a few months ago and I was talking to the mastercraft rep about an X-1. They had one fully loaded, every option for 55 but he said he would take 10k off and do it at 45 right then and there so you can get a pretty good deal on one depending on the dealer. Do you know what they did to the new VLX hull? Maybe they made it like the old VLX hull so their riders can stop putting wakesetter decals on their v-rides.
As for the hate for it, I've ridden 3 different new hull VLX's and just hated them. We had one fully weighted and it couldn't get on plane, we had one with weight and the wedge and the wake was just weird, and another at a contest that also couldn't plane off. The boats were weighted properly too with enough weight in the front that planing should not have been an issue but it just wouldn't happen. That was one thing with the Axis video that i am skeptical about. How long did it take them to get on plane because with my experience, 2200 lbs the wedge and 9 people has a zero percent chance of getting out of the water. _________________ Liquid Force
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taitrt Soul Rider

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Posted: May 21, 2009 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| ilubronix wrote: | DRAGON88, I was at the miami boat show a few months ago and I was talking to the mastercraft rep about an X-1. They had one fully loaded, every option for 55 but he said he would take 10k off and do it at 45 right then and there so you can get a pretty good deal on one depending on the dealer. Do you know what they did to the new VLX hull? Maybe they made it like the old VLX hull so their riders can stop putting wakesetter decals on their v-rides.
As for the hate for it, I've ridden 3 different new hull VLX's and just hated them. We had one fully weighted and it couldn't get on plane, we had one with weight and the wedge and the wake was just weird, and another at a contest that also couldn't plane off. The boats were weighted properly too with enough weight in the front that planing should not have been an issue but it just wouldn't happen. That was one thing with the Axis video that i am skeptical about. How long did it take them to get on plane because with my experience, 2200 lbs the wedge and 9 people has a zero percent chance of getting out of the water. |
Maybe they had all 9 people stand in the front to plane it out... lol.
I'd be interested to see how well these Axis boats hold their value. My guess is that the initial depreciation will be much slower than a mastercraft or malibu. |
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DRAGON88 Ladies Man


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Posted: May 21, 2009 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| ilubronix wrote: | DRAGON88, I was at the miami boat show a few months ago and I was talking to the mastercraft rep about an X-1. They had one fully loaded, every option for 55 but he said he would take 10k off and do it at 45 right then and there so you can get a pretty good deal on one depending on the dealer. Do you know what they did to the new VLX hull? Maybe they made it like the old VLX hull so their riders can stop putting wakesetter decals on their v-rides.
As for the hate for it, I've ridden 3 different new hull VLX's and just hated them. We had one fully weighted and it couldn't get on plane, we had one with weight and the wedge and the wake was just weird, and another at a contest that also couldn't plane off. The boats were weighted properly too with enough weight in the front that planing should not have been an issue but it just wouldn't happen. That was one thing with the Axis video that i am skeptical about. How long did it take them to get on plane because with my experience, 2200 lbs the wedge and 9 people has a zero percent chance of getting out of the water. |
Right now, I think dealerships are pretty much willing to sell boats at cost just so they can quit paying the flooring on them. I'm talking about when the X1 first came out as their price point boat in 2006, it seemed like people were still paying ~50k out the door. Same story for the V-ride in 2005...
That's very strange, the only VLX I've ever been in that struggled to get on plane was an SV23 hull (02 or 03) that probably had at least 3000lbs of ballast in it plus 5 or 6 people. It still got on plane, but it did take it about a minute to get settled... I personally don't run much over stock ballast, usually 500-600 in the bow + stock ballast because I don't need a ton of wake for my level of riding. My best trick is a toeside 5, and honestly I think I could probably do them off rollers now. Also if you're really weighing the SV25 hull boats down, I've found that the wedge doesn't actually end up helping much and is better off being left up...
Sorry for the threadjack, but I am interested to see how well the Axis sells as well as how people like them. I personally have never been attracted to the picklefork bow, even after 6 years, I still don't like the way it looks.  _________________ wakeboards
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ky1e Wakeboarder.com Freak


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Posted: May 21, 2009 7:49 am Post subject: |
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DRAGON88, i think the picklefork looks cool but i don't really know the exact function of it. It seems gimmicky to me, but I guess it is a way to separate it from a malibu and maybe give someone who wasn't initially attracted to a malibu a different option in styles. I think it will sell well, but not anymore than the v-rides did. I'm assuming you will get Axis at a Malibu dealership, right? So theoretically it is just a malibu with a different decal. _________________ Liquid Force
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Posted: May 21, 2009 9:20 am Post subject: |
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ilubronix, i believe it now has the "cut wake hull" that the 23 LSV adopted last year and the 247 did several years ago.. I hear it's cleaner further back and much more wedge friendly. Like Dragon said, when people load/overload a VLX normally the wedge will only hurt the wake and make getting on plane a b!tch. But i've heard the wedge does a great job complimenting the 09 VLX wake..
Really I think the only function of the pickle fork is to allow for a wider boat but primarily, more room to sit and lay down in the bow.
Also the relationship between Axis and Malibu is related to that of BMW and Mini. Theoretically it's not a malibu with a different decal, it's an entirely different boat. _________________ Wake Forest University |
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Posted: May 21, 2009 11:07 am Post subject: |
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2 people can sit backwards in the bow of a picklefork and watch the rider. _________________
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| I was just informed my Camaro order went in today finally!! I preordered 11/2/2008 |
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so am I the only one that thinks that the riders dont look like they are getting a good boost at all? _________________ www.blackwaterrydas.com |
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