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Dragonlady8
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I find this very interesting.
| Quote: | Survey: Support for terror suspect torture differs among the faithful
Story Highlights:
742 American adults surveyed on use of torture against suspected terrorists
54% of those who go to services at least once a week say it's often or sometimes OK
In survey, people unaffiliated with any religious group were least likely to back torture
President of National Association of Evangelicals yet to comment on survey
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The more often Americans go to church, the more likely they are to support the torture of suspected terrorists, according to a new survey.
More than half of people who attend services at least once a week -- 54 percent -- said the use of torture against suspected terrorists is "often" or "sometimes" justified. Only 42 percent of people who "seldom or never" go to services agreed, according the analysis released Wednesday by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life.
White evangelical Protestants were the religious group most likely to say torture is often or sometimes justified -- more than six in 10 supported it. People unaffiliated with any religious organization were least likely to back it. Only four in 10 of them did.
The analysis is based on a Pew Research Center survey of 742 American adults conducted April 14-21. It did not include analysis of groups other than white evangelicals, white non-Hispanic Catholics, white mainline Protestants and the religiously unaffiliated, because the sample size was too small. See results of the survey »
The president of the National Association of Evangelicals, Leith Anderson, did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
The survey asked: "Do you think the use of torture against suspected terrorists in order to gain important information can often be justified, sometimes be justified, rarely be justified, or never be justified?"
Roughly half of all respondents -- 49 percent -- said it is often or sometimes justified. A quarter said it never is.
The religious group most likely to say torture is never justified was Protestant denominations -- such as Episcopalians, Lutherans and Presbyterians -- categorized as "mainline" Protestants, in contrast to evangelicals. Just over three in 10 of them said torture is never justified. A quarter of the religiously unaffiliated said the same, compared with two in 10 white non-Hispanic Catholics and one in eight evangelicals.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/30/religion.torture/index.html |
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prior40
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| Posted: Apr 30, 2009 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| That's a really interesting survey. I wonder if the study was larger what the numbers would be. |
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SaveTheMotherland1
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| Posted: Apr 30, 2009 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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Does this mean Jesus condones torture?
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Tbonez
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| Posted: May 01, 2009 2:53 am Post subject: |
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Im sure it has nothing to do with the fact that religious protestant groups support the Republican party and the Republican party supported waterboarding ("torture"). It has to be their religious ideology and not their political ideology that influences their views, right? 
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Nooga678
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| Posted: May 01, 2009 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| Holy enormous sample size batman! I can't believe they acutally reported the results of a 742 person survey. We should start running polls more often on here and report the results as scientific findings. |
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| Posted: May 01, 2009 4:46 am Post subject: |
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| Nooga678 wrote: | | Holy enormous sample size batman! I can't believe they acutally reported the results of a 742 person survey. We should start running polls more often on here and report the results as scientific findings. |
Then you would be shocked to know that almost all surveys are done with realatively small samples like this.
Neilsen ratings, presidential polls.... take a decent enough smaples an the averages will bear out no matter how large the numbers grow. |
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| Posted: May 01, 2009 6:39 am Post subject: |
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I love articles like this. I always read them and then want to ask...."So what's your point?"
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Neognosis
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| Posted: May 01, 2009 8:21 am Post subject: |
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THIS JUST IN:
THERE MAY BE A LINK BETWEEN RELIGION AND TORTURE.
hahaha!
First off, religion IS torture.
Second, hmm... religion and torture... the inquisition, burning of witched and jews, catholics burning protestants, protestants burning catholics, muslims bombing everyone...
Is anyone really surprised that those who are religious might be more likely to think torture is justified sometimes?
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Dragonlady8
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cameraboy, that's the reason I posted this. There's irony and certain people choose to be blind.
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| Posted: May 02, 2009 5:23 am Post subject: |
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Maybe it is grounded in the "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" language in the Bible? Certainly plenty of congregations who believe the Bible should be taken literally and followed literally. Might support the reasoning why it was favored, regardless of the sample size or reliability questions.
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Neognosis
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| Posted: May 03, 2009 11:56 am Post subject: |
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"an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" is NOT in the bible.
It's from Hammurabi. http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/MESO/CODE.HTM
Most people think that's in the bible for some reason.
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ty540
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| Posted: May 03, 2009 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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^^^^False
See Exodus 21:23-24, Leviticus 24:17-22, and Deuteronomy 19:21. |
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Dragonlady8
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| Posted: May 03, 2009 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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ty540, It would be much easier if you posted the actual verses instead of having people google search. 
Must we remind you this is WB.com 
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| Posted: May 03, 2009 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| ty540 wrote: | ^^^^False
See Exodus 21:23-24, Leviticus 24:17-22, and Deuteronomy 19:21. |
I thought the stuff in the Old Testament wasn't applicable anymore or something. I mean that's the excuse given when Christians are asked how they can eat shellfish (Lev. 11:10), play with a pigskin football (Lev. 11:6-8 ), why selling their daughter into slavery isn't legal (Exodus 21:7-11), and so on. |
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| Posted: May 03, 2009 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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It also says, "A silent wife is a gift from the Lord." somewhere in the Bible.
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| Posted: May 04, 2009 3:18 am Post subject: |
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| microman wrote: | | ty540 wrote: | ^^^^False
See Exodus 21:23-24, Leviticus 24:17-22, and Deuteronomy 19:21. |
I thought the stuff in the Old Testament wasn't applicable anymore or something. I mean that's the excuse given when Christians are asked how they can eat shellfish (Lev. 11:10), play with a pigskin football (Lev. 11:6-8 ), why selling their daughter into slavery isn't legal (Exodus 21:7-11), and so on. |
Correct....The Bible actually addresses this issue in Mathew..
Mathew 5 -
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also. 41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Whats interesting is that the Bible actualy states in the new testament that forgivenss trumps revenge. Much like a quote from the DMB song says an eye for an eye only leaves a room full of blind men...
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| Posted: May 04, 2009 5:03 am Post subject: |
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| Tbonez wrote: | | Much like a quote from the DMB song says an eye for an eye only leaves a room full of blind men... |
I think the original "an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" was Ghandi.
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| Posted: May 04, 2009 5:24 am Post subject: |
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| jryoung wrote: | | Tbonez wrote: | | Much like a quote from the DMB song says an eye for an eye only leaves a room full of blind men... |
I think the original "an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" was Ghandi. |
Huh...I learn something everyday.
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| Posted: May 04, 2009 5:28 am Post subject: |
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Well look at that, it IS in the bible!
Hammurabi's code is older though.
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My understanding of the bible is that the whole eye for an eye thing was to be used when a person actually intended on hurting somebody for example taking an eye, if it was an accident the offender could flee and seek forgiveness over a certain amount of time.
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| Posted: May 05, 2009 3:51 am Post subject: |
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| cameraboy wrote: | Well look at that, it IS in the bible!
Hammurabi's code is older though. |
Wait a minute, now. Are you actually saying you were wrong?
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