Mastercraft x-35 vs. Nautique Super Air 230

PKwakeboard · Outlaw Joined: 20 Mar 2009 Posts: 167 City: Dallas

I am in the process of buying a new boat. It is between the Mastercraft x-35 and the Nautique Super Air 230. The boat will be used for wakeboarding, wake skating and a lot of surfing. These are the only two models that I have to choose from because I am not buying the boat, my father is.

Anyways, has anyone ridden behind either of these boats, or both of them? What did you think? I have test driven both boats a couple times in rough and in smooth water and I am having a very difficult time decided between the two.

I need some good input fast.

Chattwake · Posted: Mar 20, 2009 4:21 pm Post subject:

I just so happen to have an '08 for sale right now..... How much you looking to spend? Where are you located?

I haven't been benind an x35, but I love my 230. I just want to get an '09 too.

I guarantee that I can kill the price that you're getting.

Suprahunter · Soul Rider Joined: 28 Apr 2008 Posts: 486 City: Lowell

Just saw this on Wake World Im glad I bought a Nautique.
www Mastercraftsucks.com

SouthWaker · Posted: Mar 21, 2009 9:31 am Post subject:

holdsworth · Posted: Mar 21, 2009 11:40 am Post subject:

There's like, 4 people on that website. You're an idiot.

sandm · Outlaw Joined: 12 Jan 2008 Posts: 141

that's the weakest website I have seen....

Suprahunter · Soul Rider Joined: 28 Apr 2008 Posts: 486 City: Lowell

I don't know all the facts but what I see is this 3 year old boat has some major
problems. The owner has gone to some extreme lengths to get them solved.
MC told him to turn it into his insurance when he did they told him it was
a defect in manufacturing. The dealer didnt build the boat so even if they are
a bad dealer they are not responsible. The independent report indicates a defect
in the fiberglass. So whats MCs answer there is no standard for fiberglass?
Everybody knows MC is so much better than Supra[NOT] yet my 20 year old Supra
has only 3 gel cracks
What confuses me is here is a major high end boat builder spending millions
to convince the public that their Quality and customer service is #1 allowing
this issue to be aired on the forums.How did they let that happen?
I don't see other brands allowing their dirty laundry to be displayed in public.

Suprahunter · Soul Rider Joined: 28 Apr 2008 Posts: 486 City: Lowell

SouthWaker · Posted: Mar 22, 2009 7:13 am Post subject:

I am not as brand loyal as some are. With that said I am happy with the boat we own, but I could care less if MC did get it. Besides they have won several of their awards before and I don't expect one company to win the same thing year after year. As with how those awards are given out most people on here and WakeWorld will agree they are some grey areas. Speaking of grey areas this guy's story has some holes in it.

BSBell · Outlaw Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 237 City: Memphis

A lot depends on the dealer you are using, the price comparison, and what you personally like better.

I personally would go 230. You will get a little better fit/finish, handling, and PCM engines in them are very good low maintenance engines.

If you like black boats, check out 02Lightning's for sale, very nice! Cool

DRAGON88 · Posted: Mar 22, 2009 9:12 am Post subject:

holdsworth · Posted: Mar 22, 2009 9:36 am Post subject:

ky1e · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 2693

I've never even heard of an X-35 lol. I mean if you are going for wake qualities, the 230 is one of if not the best wake you can get right now. If you are looking to get a mastercraft to compare wake quality, you need to look at the X-Star

Suprahunter · Soul Rider Joined: 28 Apr 2008 Posts: 486 City: Lowell

You are right all manufacturers make a lemon once in a wile. The issue isn't whether or not this 3 year old boat is a lemon. I don't think anyone would
accept 110 cracks and a broken tower leg on a high end boat. Its obvious there is a problem with this boat. Its how MC is handling this that bothers me.
You shouldn't have to retain a lawyer to get a problem repaired.
This is about Customer Service and public image telling a owner to "Kick Rocks"
says a lot about where the company is coming from.
There is nothing wrong with Indmar engines They are widely used through out the
industry.
Getting back to the post I would choose the 230 based upon design, build quality and cost.

Suprahunter · Soul Rider Joined: 28 Apr 2008 Posts: 486 City: Lowell

holdsworth · Posted: Mar 22, 2009 10:09 am Post subject:

ilubronix, X-35 is basically the new X-30 that's a little longer with a pickle fork. It's a really, really nice boat that throws a good wake.

Suprahunter, well then if it's to that extent it had to have been damaged in shipping or something. Coming out of the factory like that doesn't sound right at all. We're on our fourth Mastercraft and will continue with them since every one that we've had has been awesome.

DRAGON88 · Posted: Mar 22, 2009 10:29 am Post subject:

Suprahunter, It's also important to consider that you're only hearing one side of the story. It is hard for me to draw any conclusion from one example, and only one side of the story. As I have said, there have been examples I can remember where MasterCraft, as a company, went above and beyond the call of duty to take care of the customer.

You can't expect make everyone happy all the time, the problems you listed could easily be caused by misuse as well. If the problems were present at the delivery of the boat, then I would have refused delivery.

I assure you that for every horror story, regardless of the brand, there are hundreds of happy customers who are non-vocal about it. IMO from what I've seen, all the major manufacturers are pretty good at stepping up to the plate and even going above and beyond what could be expected to them.

If your measure of a bad company is one pissed of customer, then I don't believe there exist any good companies.

Chattwake · Posted: Mar 22, 2009 11:31 am Post subject:

Mastercraft and Correct Craft both make awsome boats. The build quality is equivalent. Both companies make lemons. Both companies have dropped the ball on service from time to time. You should just demo both boats, do a bunch of research on your local dealers, and see what kind of prices you can get.

I could put you in my boat for the lmid to ow 60's. I'm not sure what you're being quoted on other 230's (mine's got a 3k wetsounds stereo and a pretty pimp trailer). Feel free to use mine for pricing leverage with your dealer if you're not interested in buying it.

You WILL have problems with any boat. That's why the reputation of your local dealer is so important to consider.

Oh, another factor to consider is that the 230 with the zr6 has a closed cooling system. That's nice because it's that much less to winterize and it's a more reliable cooling system.

Suprahunter · Soul Rider Joined: 28 Apr 2008 Posts: 486 City: Lowell

I am not saying to use one post as a guide to purchasing a boat.The dealer is most important they are your connection to the builder. A good one can smooth out problems a bad one can create them. The X35 looked like a family cruiser crossover very deep hull very large inside. sink and icebox. The 230 is much
closer to a traditional wake boat only larger yet still performs and throws a pro wake. I never drove the x35 . Test drive both is the only way to tell. Make sure
you ride behind both and lower the towers on both . The X35 weighs 4900lbs
+ gear and trailer the 230 is 4300 + gear and trailer make sure you tow vehicle can handle it.
Good luck on whatever you pick enjoy your summer. Smile

Bambamski · Posted: Mar 23, 2009 6:59 am Post subject:

Suprahunter,

Words can't describe the lack of intelligent thought coming from your posts.

I can search and find rants about every boat manufacture on wakeboarder or Wakeworld. Wakeworld is always way worse and is full of idiots arguing that their boat is better than someone else's which is why I haven't been on that site for years.

I think skiers choice makes great boats, all hand laid fiberglass clean lines and they throw great wakes. However, can you explain why the president of Skiiers Choice had to come on Wakeboarder.com to silence a couple of disgruntled boat owners over the way their warranty was handled? Issues that oh my god should have been handled before it made it to the Internet? Have we ever seen the President of Malibu or MC on wakeboarder.com to try and silence someone? I don't think we have.

Every boat has their issues. If you don't think they do your kidding yourself. I had to do some growing up years ago as I had a lemon from Malibu and felt that I had to trash BU's every chance I got. When it's all said and done though, I got a bad boat and I realize now that they make a great boat as do Tige, MC and Skiiers Choice ect ect. They all have their problems though...

What's the saying? People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones?

Pull your head out before it gets stuck too far up your ass.

PKwakeboard · Outlaw Joined: 20 Mar 2009 Posts: 167 City: Dallas

Thanks to everyone for their insightful comments on both boats. I think we have decided to go with the 230 because it is a better fit for our boating needs.

m_lesney · Soul Rider Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 358 City: Austin

Good choice a awesome boat!!

johnsvt · Criminal Joined: 19 Oct 2006 Posts: 56

230 would be my choice between these two boats. I would not be afraid of a MC because of that guys problems.

Suprahunter · Soul Rider Joined: 28 Apr 2008 Posts: 486 City: Lowell

pkwakeboard
Congrats on your new boat enjoy the summer.
Make sure you post some pics when you get it.

Suprahunter · Soul Rider Joined: 28 Apr 2008 Posts: 486 City: Lowell

bambamski
What are you talking about?
If possible please try to get your point across without name calling and
swearing Thanks

gator103 · Newbie Joined: 30 Mar 2009 Posts: 2

I would go with the MasterCraft. I have had 4 correct crafts in the past and have had a few problems with each, but they were good boats... I decided to go with MasterCraft for my last 2 boat and I have never looked back. If you have the means too go to both of there factories and see how each is put together. I went to both and hands down MasterCraft is light years ahead of correct Craft. Another little tid bit I recently was in orlando and stopped in the local masterCraft dealer and found out that it was owned by one of the Meloons who is the former owner of Correct Craft. So here is some info to digest whatever boat you go with you will love it my opinion is tat MasterCraft is a better quality boat. Good Luck

Suprahunter · Soul Rider Joined: 28 Apr 2008 Posts: 486 City: Lowell

My understanding is once the Meloon family member sold out of CC part of that was they could not own a dealer ether. If you cant sell CC then Mastercraft would
be my next choice. I think are great boats IMO it all comes down to your local
dealer. They can make or break a brand name. I almost bought a new MC until
the dealer screwed the deal. I then test drove a CC and never looked back. If
I had bought the MC I would probably be happy Too.

gator103 · Newbie Joined: 30 Mar 2009 Posts: 2

It really does come down to the dealer your totally right. In my case the CC dealer was ok but did not really go above and beyond the call of duty with my issues as the last issue. I had some spyder cracks that went from one side of the hull to the other. They resolved it but I was out of a boat for 80% of the season. I had a small issue with my MC and I called my dealer and the service manager told me to come right over and he replaced the part at 7pm at night when he had to be at a family dinner. Now that was customer service.

Suprahunter · Soul Rider Joined: 28 Apr 2008 Posts: 486 City: Lowell

That's the kind of service that earns loyalty. I would rather have a poor boat with a great dealer than a great boat with a BS dealer. Some of the dealers near me have a bad attitude . The dealer I bought my new boat from has treated me
fantastic from the start. And I am not a easy sell. They gave me my space and Didn't push the sale. I always look forward to going there. I always feel like a guest at their house.
Thanks
Terry, Jeff and Adam at Dockside Marine .

Paul W · Newbie Joined: 12 Jun 2007 Posts: 36 City: Lake Zurich

I agree you can have issues with any manufacture; I have a 06 XStar with the Indmar and am very happy with the decision. Love the wake as well.
I think the 230 is the next boat down on my list. It looks like it’s a very nice boat that could have a beast of a wake.

Chattwake · Posted: Apr 01, 2009 4:56 am Post subject: