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PostPosted: Feb 27, 2009 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SWEEEEEEET! Looks like it's time to order as soon as I get time to look into these...

I see these are factory blemish models with a 90 day waranty. Is that the normal waranty?

Anything else these of interest for under say....$100? Like EQ?

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PostPosted: Feb 27, 2009 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fits the following sizes of tower:
Eight 1-5/8" Mounting inserts (each insert is a half circle)
Eight 1-3/4" Mounting inserts
Eight 1-7/8" Mounting inserts
Eight 2" Mounting inserts
Eight 2-1/4" Mounting inserts
Eight 2-3/8" Mounting inserts
Eight 2-1/2" Mounting inserts

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PostPosted: Feb 27, 2009 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WakeMikey, NO they should have a 1 year warranty.... I'd look for a non-blem pair if funds allow.
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PostPosted: Mar 01, 2009 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay so whatta ya think:
www.hifisoundconnection.com KMT6 is $210 factory belm 90 day factory warranty.
www.techronics.com KMT6 is $228.15 sealed new with a two year Techtronics warranty.

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PostPosted: Mar 01, 2009 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm looking at these amps.... Kicker MX700.5 cheapest I can find is $300. This is too high for me but it sounds awesome. The non marine version was $220, that is a possibility. Kicker Car Amp 850.4 for about $125 ebay sounds great. Or I could get Clarion APX480M 4 Channel 640W Marine Amp for $158.35 at http://www.techronics.com.

Do you think I would be okay with non marine amp? I get rained on a few times a year, it's always on a boat lift in the river, and it's stored outside but well covered in the cold MN winter.

Why would I put two channels for interiors and only one channel for tower? I would almost always want more volume from the tower speakers. They are also rated for more volume. Could I run two channels to tower, one to interior, one to sub?

I am decided on the EQ Clarion EQS746 only $50 from www.cartronixplus.com.

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PostPosted: Mar 01, 2009 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So if I can get
Tower: Kicker KMT6 $230 www.techronics.com
EQ: Clarion EQS746 $53 www.techronics.com
Amp: Clarion APX480Marine 640w 4ch $160 http://www.techronics.com

Total: $440 + wires & fuse. This would probably be it for the summer and I'd have to add the sub ($100) later.

Please let me know if this amp would have enough juice for me.

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PostPosted: Mar 02, 2009 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The amp sounds fine to me - its not going to blow any socks off but should be plenty.

This will give you 2 channels fort he tower speakers, then 2 in the boat (which you could split to 4 speakers if required).

Sounds to me like your system is sorted but what are you doing about a head unit? You surely aren't keeping the current one? Or are you just gonna run iPod?

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PostPosted: Mar 02, 2009 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eventually I will want it to run the sub too. It is possible I could get a 2nd amp sometime but this is supossed to be a budget, K.I.S.S. system without sacrificing any quality.
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PostPosted: Mar 03, 2009 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WakeMikey, Hmm, you will probably want to invest in another amp as running this all from one will be tricky; and defo not simple. If you want to run it all from one then buy the multi-channel amp now and leave a channel free.... it'd be cheaper in the long run and keep things super simple.

I'd not worry about using none-marine. The likes of Nautique on switched to Marine fairly recently... they used the Kicker KX series for years...

Can you squeeze a KX700.5 or a ZX700.5 into the budget? Or, how about buying a ZX350.3/KX350.3 from Kicker.. thats a 3 channel amp. It'll do 85 watts to 2 speakers and a 400 watt subwoofer section. You could power the tower speakers from the sub amp and the in boats from the 2 channel amp.... then later, buy a cheapo 4 channel/2 channel amp for the in boat speakers and use the 350.3 as a dedicated sub and tower amp.

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PostPosted: Mar 04, 2009 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sigh okay I think I will do the 700.5. I just hope this is within my budget!

I made a list of other things I need/want for the boat, like:
propellor,
blue sea battery relay,
2nd battery,
transom pad,
monster tower mirror,
a jump seat for behind the drivers seat next to motor box
replace launch pad fat sac with fly high, maybe add a fat brick


Do you think I need the 2nd battery before I can add this smaller stereo?

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PostPosted: Mar 04, 2009 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WakeMikey, If you are only running the one amp I don't see a second battery as essential but it is advisable.

The 700.5 draws around 90 amps at full volume (60 amps without the sub section doing anything), a head unit or line driver will take about 10 amps, along with other accessories.....

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PostPosted: Mar 07, 2009 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay I found some deals so the time to buy is coming!

I'm gonna get the SurePower battery combiner from polarbill it's way cheaper than BlueSea so yay for savings!

The Kicker700.5 on ebay just had a price drop from 220 to 175! So I think I will get that as well. Yeah it's a refub and it only has 90 day warranty.

Someone also offered me a used equalizer for free ($20 shipping) so I love that deal too!

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PostPosted: Mar 08, 2009 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

175 for a 700.5 is an absolute steal.... If it helps put the mind to rest, in the past 6 years of selling Kicker, I have only ever had to replace 2 Kicker amps. They are solid as solid gets! one was due tot eh customer soaking it (and I mean submersing!), the other was dead on arrival so I'd suspect it had been dropped or something in transit...

If I were you I'd run the amp hard for a few hours once you get it in order to give it a shake down and see how it performs... if it doesn't fail then, there's very little chance its gonna fail in the long-run... maybe just warn the neighbours first Laughing

All we need now is install pics! Cool

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PostPosted: Mar 08, 2009 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh I will have install pics, and I'll do one better - it'll be a "help me install my stereo" thread heheh!

Another price drop alert! KMT6 below just dropped to $198.15

www.techronics.com KMT6 was $228.15 now $198.15 sealed new with a two year Techtronics warranty.

Brit or anyone what do you think about techronics offering a two-year warranty? But it's not through Kicker, it's a "techronics.com warranty".

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PostPosted: Mar 08, 2009 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't know if I'm honest... I have never used Techtronics... I'm UK based.

So long as they replace your gear if it breaks then I don't see an issue... you dont' wanna be stuck all winter with only 1 working tower speaker!

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PostPosted: Mar 08, 2009 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry I guess that was a silly question to ask. Smile

Can anyone help point me to an an appropriate wiring kit for the amp and anything else I might need? Fuse? No idea anymore what to get, sorry! Smile

4 gauge wiring kit, top option at the link below?
Impact Amplifier Wiring Kit 4G 2000 Watts
http://www.techronics.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=352

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PostPosted: Mar 08, 2009 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It may be better to buy the bits separately.

Grab some string and measure from your battery to the amp.. then add 12" to be safe!

You'll need that length in both positive and ground wire. you'll then need a 90amp fuse and fuse holder.

Then measure from deck/EQ to the amp - you'll need an RCA cable of this length.

the buy some speaker cable... rip the 2 core speaker cable in half to gain a single long piece... use this as the remote turn-on from your deck or EQ.

The problem with car audio wiring kits is that they don't come with enough ground cable, because in car audio, you'd generally ground to the car body/chassis rather than run a feed back to the battery like in the car.

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PostPosted: Mar 09, 2009 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Techronics had absolutly HORRIBLE customer reviews. So I will not shop there. So looking for a reputable vendor for KMT6 STILL! Found a good thread on WW about KMT6 with Phil from Kicker participating. Sweet!

I will call Cartronixplus.com today and double check since some people say they are in or out of stock there.

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PostPosted: Mar 09, 2009 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WakeMikey, I saw that thread, certainly a great resource! Also raises an interesting point regarding the lower ohmage of the KMT6... they do run low and thats something I'd neglected to mention.
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PostPosted: Mar 10, 2009 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

<<Also raises an interesting point regarding the lower ohmage of the KMT6... they do run low>>

Sorry I need a third grade translation there. Smile

You have been super helpful Brit thank you very much.

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Brit I'm really confused. Over on the WW 'tower speakers' thread everyone is saying 75w per pod is way underpowered. Can you briefly explain what I'm missing here?

Should I be going with the 850.4 instead? And just two two channels for tower pods and two channels bridged for sub, leaving the interior speakers powered by the cd deck. Is this common?

This year since I don't have a sub, I would run tower and interior.

What about this inexpensive amp salty recommended?
http://www.millionbuy.com/prfha1040.html 1000w4ch

One other thing I'm not really getting the meaning behind 4 ohms or two ohms. Thank you everyone very much!

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PostPosted: Mar 11, 2009 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay when directly comparing the amps I see the Profile advertises it's peak power, not RMS. I have listed RMS to compare.

http://www.millionbuy.com/prfha1040.html
Sale price: $79.95 not sure of warranty.
Profile HA1040 125wx4 = 500w
RMS Output Power (4 Ohms) 80W x 4
RMS Output Power (2 Ohms) 125W x 4
Bridged RMS Output Power (4 Ohms) 225W x 2

http://cgi.ebay.com/KICKER-ZX850.4-CAR-STEREO-850-WATT-4CH-AMPLIFIER-AMP_W0QQitemZ310126817220QQcmdZViewItem
$269.95 refurb 90 day warranty many bad reviews
Kicker ZX8504
RMS Power Ratings:
RMS Output Power 175 watts x 4 chan. @ 4 ohms
RMS Output Power 215 watts x 4 chan. @ 2 ohms
Bridged RMS Output Power 425 watts x 2 chan. @ 4 ohms

The profile amp has Peak Output Power (2 Ohms) 250W x 4. Wouldn't this be enough?

Tower speakers have rms 150 peak 300. The cheap amp has rms 125 peak 250. That should be plenty I would think. WOW am I wishy washy.

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PostPosted: Mar 11, 2009 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I use a two channel amp? I know I could put one channel to each pod, but is there a way I can put a single channel to the tower speakers and use the other channel for a sub? Or does this not work? Would it still be able to process the highs to the tower and the lows to the sub? Man I am a newb.
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Awesome reviews for this company and this amp at http://www.crutchfield.com/p_489AP1040/Profile-AP1040.html?tp=115&tab=review&rvm=ShowAllt

I think I am going to jump on this. Comments welcome!

As I stated above, "Tower speakers have rms 150 peak 300. The Profile amp has rms 125 peak 250 per channel x4. That should be plenty I would think. " Two channels on tower, two on boat interior for starters, then on a sub later.

Actually it may be too much for the interiors!

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8776069&type=product&id=1204332255029
Alpine - Marine Type-S 6-1/2" 2-Way Coaxial Speakers with Poly-Mica Cones (two-pair) Handles up to 110W peak power (30W RMS). I paid way too much for them but I had a gift card. Smile

So if the amp is 125 rms 250 peak per channel, I would have two speakers per channel which totals 60 rms 220 peak. I think it would destroy them! Smile But if these amps are that cheap I could maybe even get a sub. Uh oh...

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What does it mean if my 12" sub is 4-ohms? The amp is going to be running all four channels at 2-ohms, but only two channels will be going to the sub. Is this ok???? Does this require any special wiring or configuration?
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WakeMikey, Hey, sorry.. been away for a little while.

We have runt he Kickers with 75 watts RMS just fine; they can take more for sure, which would be great, but they don't need it. Remember, 150 watts isn't going to produce twice the 'loudness' of 75 watts...

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PostPosted: Mar 12, 2009 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok well I did some research on my own and made some decisions, and we have gear on the way! The amp got great reviews. Everyhting is brand new and has at least a one year warranty. Three year on the tower speakers.

Kicker KMT6 $240
RMS 150w x2 pods
Peak 300w x2 pods

Profile AP1040 $75 millionbuy.com
RMS Output Power (2 Ohms): 125W x 4
Peak Output Power (2 Ohms): 250W x 4,

POWERBASS PS-12 (PS12) $35
12" Single 4-Ohm PS Series SUBWOOFER
Power Handling (RMS) : 250 Watts
Power Handling (MAX) : 500 Watts,

Today I am getting the battery combiner. Then I need the equalizer still and the propellor! Yes! After this there's not much more I would even WANT to do to me boat. Except a mirror, interior LED's. Used perfect pass would be awesome but only if it were like $500 at most.

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Great buy on the Tower speakers but I'd be concerned as to the quality of the Amp and Sub....
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PostPosted: Mar 12, 2009 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WakeMikey, You will like the amp especially for the price. I have 2 of them and the only problem I have ever had was when I forgot to hook the power wire back up after getting a new battery. I looked at several car audio forums and they all rated them as the best budget amp.
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PostPosted: Mar 12, 2009 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sub I know is cheap but for the price you can't beat it! If it's junk it has a warranty or I can take the credit and buy a different one. The store is good, or so I think.

The amp I saw hundreds of reviews and they were really really positive.

I still need to pick up the EQ, tower quick connect cable, and cables for the amp & fuse. I really need help making sure I buy the right cables, fuse, etc.


Thanks all the help! Hopefully I'll have more pictures to come and an 'Installation' thread real soon.

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OK I need a bit of help again. Millionbuy told me the amp was available, but now they say it's on backorder. Sigh. I can wait a couple weeks, or else I could get this:

Profile AP1200
1200W 2 CH Amplifier (2 ohm Max Rating)
Peak Output Power (2 Ohms): 600W x 2
RMS Output Power (2 Ohms): 300W x 2

Would this two-channel amp work just as well? Both tower speaker pods plugged into one channel, and the sub into another?? This one is actually a bit more powerful.

Please let me know as I would like to make this change ASAP if this amp will work. I think it will, just seeking confirmation. It is a bit more expensive though at Sale price: $109.95.

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PostPosted: Mar 13, 2009 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What happened to grabbing a 700.5?

Or maybe ditch the sub and go for a 450.4 or similar?

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PostPosted: Mar 13, 2009 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it was way more expensive and everone on the WW thread said that was way underpowered.

I still don't exactly understand how 75w could be nearly as loud as 150w.

I will just have to wait for this amp to come off of backorder.

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PostPosted: Mar 13, 2009 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WakeMikey wrote:

I still don't exactly understand how 75w could be nearly as loud as 150w.


Don't get me wrong, 150 would be louder, but nothing like twice as loud.

Remember there are alot of arm chair mechanics out there spouting off advice, best source for you to understand the technicalities will be something like www.bcae1.com ; their tutorials should teach you everything you'll need to know Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mar 14, 2009 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Brit I went with the Crunch 5ch. RMS 200x4 +500x1 @ 2ohm. It's on it's way! Crossing my fingers... Thank you again for your help. Do you have a store in the states at all??
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