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PostPosted: Aug 19, 2008 9:23 am    Post subject: Franchise Players: Best all time for every NFL team Reply with quote

Pretty cool discussion artical. I found it weird that Bobby Hebert is the best player all time for the Saints.

My team's (Buffalo Bills) best all time player is Jim Kelly. I agree but it can be argued that Thurman Thomas was better.

Do you agree witht he pick for your team?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3538393&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines
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PostPosted: Aug 19, 2008 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Emmitt Smith--Not even close.
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PostPosted: Aug 19, 2008 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Who's your favorite player?" "Mr. Derrick Brooks" !!!
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PostPosted: Aug 19, 2008 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the Ravens they have Matt Stover, WTF?!?! What about Ray Lewis or Ed Reed?
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PostPosted: Aug 19, 2008 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The list looks accurate to me....
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PostPosted: Aug 19, 2008 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wakeboarderdave1 wrote:
For the Ravens they have Matt Stover, WTF?!?! What about Ray Lewis or Ed Reed?



I know kickers are vitally important but to have a kicker as the greatest of all time is crazy.

I think Ray Lewis or Jamal Lewis? Jamal Lewis did rush for over 2k yards in 2003.
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PostPosted: Aug 19, 2008 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

how about Tony Siragusa?

If he doesn't belly flop on Gannon the Raiders go to the Super Bowl

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PostPosted: Aug 19, 2008 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lcap wrote:
Emmitt Smith--Not even close.


yes, it's emmitt smith, no, it's very close. aikman, staubach and dorsett are all in that discussion. it's smith, but not by any significant margin.
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PostPosted: Aug 19, 2008 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eeven73 wrote:
how about Tony Siragusa?

If he doesn't belly flop on Gannon the Raiders go to the Super Bowl


Totally forgot about the Goose. Maybe it is his dreadful side line reporting that made me forget his playing days.
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PostPosted: Aug 19, 2008 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jt09,

The Cowboys must be one of the most difficult teams to ever come up with a "best" player. There have been so many great ones with great supporting teammates. An argument could be made for all of these:

Bob Lilly, Mel Renfro, Rayfield Wright, Roger Staubach, Tom Landry, Bob Hayes, Tex Schramm

Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin

Instead the Cowboys should just be the "Best Of All Time--NFL Team"

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PostPosted: Aug 19, 2008 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was surprised to see Bobby Hebert as the Saints all time player…. He really only had 5 years with them, playing 5-6 games the other 2 years…. He was a LA guy I guess, so maybe he gets some points there….

Though Archie Manning didn’t throw up great statistics, he did put in the work….for like 11 seasons…. Maybe they cannot put a guy in that has the worst record of any NFL starter with over 100 starts…..

So I am going away from the star positions and will go into the trenches with Willie Roaf.
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PostPosted: Aug 19, 2008 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lcap wrote:
jt09,

The Cowboys must be one of the most difficult teams to ever come up with a "best" player.


which is why your original statement makes no sense.
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PostPosted: Aug 19, 2008 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can make the argument for every person on my list. By the time I was finished Emmitt Smith would be an afterthought. Except to those who only know Cowboy football in the 90's. From the 90's on you have three players to pick from.

I didn't start because you're such an unrealistic prick who knows all.

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PostPosted: Aug 19, 2008 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

your statements are contradictory
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PostPosted: Aug 19, 2008 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was pleased to see Derrick Thomas listed for KC. There are a lot guys from way back in the Hank Stram days, but I'm not old enough to have ever seen them as anything but old timers.

How is Pat Swilling not the Saints' player?

lcap, you've got to put Drew Pearson, Tony Hill, Too Tall Jones, Randy White, and Everson Walls on that list too. And Herschel Walker. Without all 12 of him they never would've made the trade that built the "Team of the 90's."

Can we all just hug now?

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PostPosted: Aug 19, 2008 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marshall Faulk? WTF no question it is Deacon Jones

Green Bay- Don Hutson
Ravens or Colts (take your pick)- Unitas
Steelers- Joe Greene or Jack Lambert
Raiders- Jim Otto
Cowboys- Staubach, Lilly, or White
Saints- I agree with pet575, Pat Swilling

I definitely can't argue with Barry Sanders, but I would like to think Dick Lane gets some consideration
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PostPosted: Aug 19, 2008 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

E.J. wrote:
I was surprised to see Bobby Hebert as the Saints all time player…. He really only had 5 years with them, playing 5-6 games the other 2 years…. He was a LA guy I guess, so maybe he gets some points there….

Though Archie Manning didn’t throw up great statistics, he did put in the work….for like 11 seasons…. Maybe they cannot put a guy in that has the worst record of any NFL starter with over 100 starts…..

So I am going away from the star positions and will go into the trenches with Willie Roaf.


If nothing else that tells you how bad the Saints have performed as a franchise over their history.
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PostPosted: Aug 19, 2008 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

we, the saints have basically always sucked ass, and i hate being a fan. hebert as all time player? nah, i think it has to be archie or even sam mills
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PostPosted: Aug 19, 2008 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

matt1808 wrote:
Cowboys- Staubach, Lilly, or White


who?
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PostPosted: Aug 19, 2008 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jt09 wrote:
matt1808 wrote:
Cowboys- Staubach, Lilly, or White


who?


Randy White
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PostPosted: Aug 19, 2008 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Embarassed just noticed they had Dick Lane for the Cardinals. I was thinking he spent more of his career with the Lions than he really did.
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PostPosted: Aug 19, 2008 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brain cramp. for some reason i was stuck on danny white. that had me flummoxed.
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PostPosted: Aug 19, 2008 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pats - tommy Smile

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PostPosted: Aug 20, 2008 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Colts should have Johnny Unitas. 6-time NFL MVP?

Matt Stover is a curious pick.

I thought the Redskins would have voted Riggins or Monk.

In the AFC East, funny enough, #12, #12, #12, #13? Marino, you messed up again!

Here's another observation, I think they messed up on the Minnesota Vikings, it says Randy Moss got the most votes, and Tarkenten is named the greatest!
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PostPosted: Aug 20, 2008 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Porterwake, Sammy Baugh would have to come before Riggins or Monk
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PostPosted: Aug 20, 2008 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jt09 wrote:
brain cramp. for some reason i was stuck on danny white. that had me flummoxed.


Just think - if he would have won just one Super Bowl out of all those NFC Championship games he played in...

DAMN that Dwight Clark and his "catch!"
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PostPosted: Aug 20, 2008 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i wouldn't even tap the brakes if either clark or montana walked in front of my car.
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PostPosted: Aug 20, 2008 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the same goes for bradshaw and swann...
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Earl Campbell should be listed as an Oiler, not a Titan. That is complete crap. Evil or Very Mad
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