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 Posted: Jul 15, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject: Becky Hammon Yay or Nay? |
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WNBA star? i say yay, plus she's a balla
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get a better picture of her rack and the rear view and i'll give you an answer.
when it comes to the face and what all is available from those, it's a yay. but i just want to know what i'd be getting all around. |
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You mean the american girl who is going to be representing Russia in the olympics?
| Quote: | Hammon's Olympic dream puts her in Russian uniform
By Wayne Drehs
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Growing up in Rapid City, S.D., Becky Hammon was once so petrified after watching the movie "Red Dawn" -- the 1984 film about an invasion of the United States by the Soviet Union and Cuba -- that she had to sleep in her parents' bedroom. She was worried the Russians were going to come to the heartland and take her parents away. The message that Hollywood engrained in the impressionable youngster was a simple one: Americans good, Russians bad.
Now, more than two decades later, Hammon, one of the most popular players in the WNBA and the MVP runner-up last season, has made the controversial decision to play basketball for Russia in the 2008 Olympic Games later this summer.
She finalized her decision earlier this week after becoming a naturalized Russian citizen late last year.
"The jersey that I wear has never made me who I was. It has nothing to do with what's written on my heart," Hammon told ESPN.com Tuesday. "Will I be playing for Russia? Yes. But I'm absolutely 100 percent still an American. I love our country. I love what we stand for. This is an opportunity to fulfill my dream of playing in the Olympics."
The 31-year-old Hammon, who averaged 18.8 points and 5.0 assists for the San Antonio Silver Stars last season, said she has long been overlooked by USA Basketball for a spot on its Senior National Team. Last summer, when USA Basketball released its list of the pool players from which the U.S. Olympic team would be chosen, Hammon's name was absent. She later signed a lucrative contract with club team CSKA Moscow that included the possibility of playing for the Russian Olympic team.
Later, Hammon received an invitation to try out for the U.S. team, but she said contractual obligations with CSKA left her unable to attend. Before she made her final decision, she said she and her agent, Mike Cound, reached out to USA Basketball for clarification on where she stood. They came away with the impression that she wasn't in serious contention to make the team. So Hammon took her Olympic dream elsewhere.
USA Basketball declined a request for comment on Tuesday.
Last August, Becky Hammon was shooting for the San Antonio Silver Stars in the WNBA Western Conference semifinals. This August, she'll be shooting for Russia in the Olympics.
"I realize that people are going to think what they want to think," said Hammon, who has worked for ESPN as a basketball analyst. "But there's nothing I wanted more in my basketball career than to represent the United States. I grew up dreaming to play in the Olympics for my home country.
"I'm sure they have their reasons. It's a very difficult job and I don't blame them for their decision. This is just a great opportunity for me to play in the Olympics and hopefully break some stereotypes, both here and over there."
Hammon has no ancestral ties to Russia, but under Russian league rules, she was able to obtain a passport and become a naturalized citizen because she had never appeared for another country in a FIBA-sanctioned event. In other words, she was still eligible to compete for Russia internationally.
Obtaining an international passport can be a lucrative endeavor for some women's basketball players, as several international leagues have a limit on the number of Americans who can play on one team. A talented U.S. player with an international passport -- such as Diana Taurasi, who plays internationally on an Italian passport (her father was born in Italy), and Sue Bird, who plays on an Israeli passport (her grandparents are Jewish) -- doesn't count against that maximum number of American players. While an average salary for an American in an international league might be $15,000 per month, Cound said someone in Hammon's position can earn three to four times that amount.
If all goes according to plan, Hammon will be flying high for Russia at the Olympics.
Cound said Hammon's papers were approved quickly by the highest levels of the Russian government, just as they were for former Bucknell guard J.R. Holden, who hit the game-winning shot last summer to help Russia win the 2007 Eurobasket Championships. Holden, too, will compete for Russia in Beijing.
"It's interesting that the Russian government decided this was acceptable," Cound said. "I don't look at it as criticism of Becky as much as a country in which winning is so important that they want to have a non-Russian on the team. It comes down to a simple question: What does winning a gold medal mean if it's an American who wins it for you?"
What might make Hammon's decision an eye-opener in this country is that -- in addition to her scrappy point-guard play -- her popularity stems partly from the perception that she is the ultimate small-town all-American girl: blond hair, ponytail and near perfect smile. And now the all-American girl will suit up for Russia, which could knock a dent into that image.
The decision wasn't easy. Hammon said she has struggled with it since last October, absorbing the advice of everyone from current and former coaches to friends, fellow players and, of course, her parents.
"My mom had a heartfelt, motherly response," Hammon said. "She doesn't want anybody to get mad at me or call her daughter a traitor or anything like that. My dad, well, he was more logical. He said, 'Well, if USA Basketball doesn't want you, go for it.'"
At the NBA All-Star Game in New Orleans this February, Hammon won the shooting stars competition with Tim Duncan and David Robinson.
In Beijing, Hammon will again have to try to prove her doubters wrong. Coming out of Rapid City, she struggled to find a Division I-A scholarship, yet became an All-American at Colorado State and led the Rams to their first Sweet Sixteen in the 1998-99 season. She went undrafted by the WNBA in 1999, but caught on with the New York Liberty. And last year, she finished second in the league's MVP voting and led the Silver Stars to the Western Conference Finals. In March, she signed a contract extension with San Antonio through 2011, and she intends to be with the team this summer until the WNBA takes a hiatus for the Olympic Games.
While the Americans are considered the favorites for gold in Beijing, the Russians should contend for a medal and are currently No. 3 in the FIBA world rankings. Hammon has already envisioned the scenario: The ball is in her hands as the final seconds tick down in the gold-medal game and she takes the shot to beat her home country.
"When it comes down to it, I'm going to take that shot," she said. "I'm going to play to win. You have to be honest to the game and yourself. Sure, it will be awkward, but I wouldn't have made this decision if I wasn't ready to take that shot." |
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| Posted: Jul 15, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| I wouldn't kick her out of bed, but at the same time, i wouldn't pick her if there were other girls around. |
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| Posted: Jul 16, 2008 3:50 am Post subject: |
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Can I change my vote in light of the new information presented by DLady?
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| Posted: Jul 16, 2008 5:02 am Post subject: |
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| Dragonlady8 wrote: | | You mean the american girl who is going to be representing Russia in the olympics? |
i don't think she's the first...or last.
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| Posted: Jul 16, 2008 5:05 am Post subject: |
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| Her father is 100% correct. if USA Basketball doesn't want her go play for someone that does want you. |
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| Posted: Jul 16, 2008 6:32 am Post subject: |
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That is retarded. You're an American but don't make the team, so you play for the Russians? Have some fking pride.
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| Posted: Jul 16, 2008 6:33 am Post subject: |
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Indeed. What are all those American POWs languishing in Russian concentration camps going to think?
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| Posted: Jul 16, 2008 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| Wakebrad wrote: | | That is retarded. You're an American but don't make the team, so you play for the Russians? Have some fking pride. |
so is that a yay or nay? |
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| Posted: Jul 16, 2008 6:57 am Post subject: |
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Craig-R, nay. On both counts. Basketball players are too man-ish and she's a traitor.
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| Posted: Jul 16, 2008 7:40 am Post subject: |
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Traitor....you guys are funny.
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| Posted: Jul 16, 2008 7:48 am Post subject: |
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I say Nay purely on the fact that she ain't all that hot.
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| Posted: Jul 16, 2008 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| Chad H wrote: | | I wouldn't kick her out of bed, but at the same time, i wouldn't pick her if there were other girls around. |
yup. |
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| Posted: Jul 16, 2008 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| Wakebrad wrote: | | That is retarded. You're an American but don't make the team, so you play for the Russians? Have some fking pride. |
you mean like when hakeem played for the usa?
gimme a break.
she wasn't even invited to try out, much less invited to play on the team. |
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| Maybe she just needs a good reason to get behind the iron curtain and tell Gorbachev to tear down that wall. |
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| joebananas wrote: | | Maybe she just needs a good reason to get behind the iron curtain and tell Gorbachev to tear down that wall. |
DUUUUH....
Don't you guys know anything? She's clearly a CIA operative that is using professional basketball as a cover for her reconnisance. We have also sent Chris Kaman to Germany for obvious reasons.
Seriously, some of you are a little naive about the olympics. Do you really buy into the feel good stories? It's just another commercial sports exhibition. If you think that the olympics are about going to represent your country for glory your clueless. It's just become another money making spectacle, with a couple feel good stories thrown in for dramatic effect.
If atheletes want to go compete in the olympics and the only way to do so is by playing for another country that their ancestors came from so be it. Like jt said, she wasn't even asked to try out for the team let alone asked to be on it. |
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If she had some affiliation with Russia that's one thing. But the Olympics is about representing your country. If Hakeem migrated here and considered this more his home then sure, that's fine. I don't really know the story. If he just came here to play for the Olympics, I'd feel the same way.
It would be like if the 3rd and 4th place swimmers didn't qualify for the Olympics for the US so they just go swim for whatever country would take them. If people are just going to switch to whatever country they will qualify in, why even have a country affiliation?
Yes, I think she is a selfish traitor.
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| Posted: Jul 16, 2008 9:41 am Post subject: |
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I agree with the rational part of wakebrad's post. However, it's only a game.
She's not comitted treason, and "traitor" and "selfish" are pretty strong words over a game.
If she's a traitor and selfish, what are you everytime you buy a piece of chinese crap from walmart? Worse. Is what she's doing going to have an impact on....well, ANYTHING? (YOU meaning YOU in general, not specifically wakebrad or any of you).
Not really. So who cares? If it's ruining the spirit of the games, then the olympic comittee should close that loophole.
Maybe if people were more concerned with real patriotism, instead of the "my country beat your country in basketball, and I have a flag magnet on my car" type of patriotism we would be in better shape.
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| Quote: | | If you think that the olympics are about going to represent your country for glory your clueless. |
That's why I watch them. I could care less if it was some individual track event or swimming event, gymnastics, etc. I don't care or follow those sports. But I will watch them in the Olympics so I can root for my country.
Just like I will root for my other sports teams. The athletes probably don't give a rats ass what team they are representing. I understand that but it doesn't mean I agree with it. People used to take pride in these things. Now everyone's about self glorification.
I would be willing to bet that most people watch the Olympics for the same reason I do, not because they are fans of the individual events, but because they like seeing our country compete against others. If this turns into a mercenary event I'm sure you will see a large drop in audience. So no, I don't think I am naive about it, but knowing athlete's selfish behavior doesn't make it right.
And I know jt doesn't care about being selfish. On just about any topic he seems to endorse people thinking of themselves first. Personally, I think principals are more important than getting what you want.
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| Posted: Jul 16, 2008 9:57 am Post subject: |
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But isn't it selfish of you to slam on some girl who is a basketball player and was denied her own countries team? You just want to watch your countries team...she wants to live out a life's dream of playing in the olympics...which is more important?
Close the loophole if it's ruining the spirit of the games. I get what you are saying, and I agree...but come on..."traitor?" "Selfish?"
Seems kind of silly to me.
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| You guys really watch the Olympics? I'll just get the highlights off Sports Center. That takes away too much boat/drinking time. |
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Traitor might be a little strong. But I think there is some betrayal there. "Selfish" is not strong. I believe actions like this are ruining the spirit of the games, and obviously her own satisfaction is more important than the spirit of the games. That is selfish.
If incidents like this grow in numbers I believe the loophole will be closed. I doubt this is widespread enough for the general population to care, but I think it could. Especially if one of our stars from a previous Olympics misses the cut and then competes for another team. Say Shawn White misses the cut and then goes and snowboards for another country. Other countries take much more national pride than we do in the US.
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It's a matter of prespective, I guess. I don't think that "the spirit of the games" is really anyting of great importance. I simply don't think it is important enough to call some girl names and create a hostile vibe over.
I don't think other countries have more national pride
if anything, I think that some parts of the US are nationalist to a fault.
To be honest with you, I love this country and want the best for this country
but I think all the flag waving and slogan yelling and team rooting
is kind of silly in the grand scheme of things.
I also find it interesting that some people (not necessary you folks) will get upset about this
but don't think a company is unpatriotic for outsourcing.
Sending jobs overseas, hey, that's just business.
But god forbid some kid play a game for another country.....
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| Posted: Jul 16, 2008 10:48 am Post subject: |
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Nay and lame. 
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| Posted: Jul 16, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I don't think other countries have more national pride |
European countries, no. Asian, much more so.
I guess it comes down to the purpose of the Olympics for me. Yes, it's cool to watch the best physical specimen compete at different events. But more important is the competition between countries. Which country can develop and train the best athletes at which events. To me, being a mercenary for whatever country will take you defeats the purpose.
To me the outsourcing is a more complex subject. The purpose of business is not to make money for the government. To me the purpose of the Olympics is to bring glory to your country.
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she wasn't even invited to try out, much less invited to play on the team. |
You stand corrected:
Later, Hammon received an invitation to try out for the U.S. team, but she said contractual obligations with CSKA left her unable to attend. Before she made her final decision, she said she and her agent, Mike Cound, reached out to USA Basketball for clarification on where she stood. They came away with the impression that she wasn't in serious contention to make the team. So Hammon took her Olympic dream elsewhere.
USA Basketball declined a request for comment on Tuesday.
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Why is it important on any real level which country can develop the best athletes at which event? What does that prove or indicate?
Besides, one would think that the way child gymnast are treated in some asian and european countries is a bigger crime than playing for another country when your own didn't want you.
I think the purpose of the olympics is to bring countries together in friendly competition to improve relations and hopefully destroy some ignorance and expose people to other countries and such. It's about breaking down barriers, not creating them.
So it's all aobut the PURPOSE then....
Money for the government? No. But why doesn't eveybody consider a country that outsources "traitorous" or selfish? You take issue that a girl is playing a game for another country, but just accept a company laying americans off to make more money?
Why does this girl "owe" you or the country this intangible "glory" while the companies that do business here owe us nothing but their taxes?
The purpose of this girl is to play basketball in the Olympics. Does that make it easier to accept? If a company can do anything possible within the law to make money, why can't a basketball player do anyting possible within the law to play basketball?
Today, millions of people will do more damage to this country in one hour at walmart than this girl will do all year. it's the difference between this nonsense "rah rah!" patriotism and real patriotism.
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I guess I'm trying to say that we have our priorities messed up and are easily distracted by nonsense like this while serious things that are not pleasant to think about slip by.
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cameraboy, I guess my point is, if the Olympics are not here for the nonsense "rah rah!" patriotism, they have little purpose for most viewers, myself included. Just look at the way they are broadcast, and advertised for.
Like I've said, if you want to make an event independent of country and compete that's fine. I just won't watch it. To me that's not what the Olympics is about. She can compete in that and join whatever team she wants. But if she wants to compete in the Olympics her purpose is to play her best for the US, being the country she resides, loves, and grew up in.
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You are trying to tie a sporting event to real life. This is all a game. Any argument over sports is extremely trivial when compared to real issues, just like this one is. Yes, we should probably not watch sporting events and focus on helping others during that time, but in sports it's all about "rah rah!" support your team.
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I guess I don't see it that way, mostly because, sure, I want the US to win, but I'm more interested in seeing amazing performances. I get excited when a german or romanian gymnast does an amazing routine too. But gymnastics isn't really a team sport, in the traditional sense.
What about the purpose of encouraging a world unity and breaking down barriers? It's about the whole world compteing in games in good will.
I just don't think it's worth hurting someone's feelings or being venemous over. Should she play for just the US if she's born and lives here? Sure. But who really gives a heck? If she was good enough for it to make a difference, we should have put her on the team, right?
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I always thought the point of the Olympics was good competition between athletes of the nations of the world. If not, it's just another tournament for each sport.
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| Posted: Jul 16, 2008 11:43 am Post subject: |
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My issue is the trend that this can create. What if the US is 10x better than the next best country at something. But instead the top people in the US that didn't make the team all farm out and go to another country. The events could turn into US A-team vs US B-team vs US C-team, all with other flags on them. That is not the purpose.
I can't justify my venomous feelings, but they are certainly there. And obviously I'm not the only one if that is her mother's first worry.
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Then they should close whatever loophole lets her play for russia.
I'm just amazed that you have any emotion about this non-issue at all. Or that anyone would. Especially with real issues to get upset over, or actual simple things we can do to stop our countries decline.... Seriously, why doesnt' anyone get upset about the trade imballance? is it because to buy fewer chinese goods you have to spend a little bit more money? Why do people care abou this girl, yet continue to buy cheap forein goods that hurt the US ecnomy?
Is it becasue sport is the true opiate of the masses?
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