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PostPosted: Mar 13, 2008 10:05 am    Post subject: Private Wakeboard Lake Dimensions Reply with quote

Does anybody know desired dimensions in regards to a private wakeboard lake. We'd like to wakeboard, wakesurf, and waterski.

Also, does anybody know the effects of large wakes in regards to eroding/damaging the shoreline? I'm wondering if there are any preventative methods such as a material or liner to prevent this.

Let me know, thanks!

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PostPosted: Mar 13, 2008 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2100 ft long. 200 ft wide. minimum. For wakeboarding a surfing you should go down to at least 12 ft or else you won't get full size out of the wake. Barbell shape is the best with islands at the ends to knock down rollers.

The less grade on your shoreline the less rollers will come back. I wouldn't worry about a liner for the rollers initially. If your soil is really loose sand you might need to put something down later, but I've never seen one on any of the private lakes I've been to.

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PostPosted: Mar 13, 2008 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont remeber the dementions, but i google earthed "radar lake" and used the measurement feature to get length and width measurements. i wanted to do the same on my dads property. didnt have quite enough on the length of his property to get close to RADAR!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Mar 13, 2008 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rocks at a 10:1 ration
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PostPosted: Mar 13, 2008 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

200ft wide is a little small. The average wake rope is 85ft. So if you ride all the way out and the boat is just off the center of the lake you could end up on the shore. You would want atleast 300ft. You also want the lake to be 10ft or more deep to allow for a big wake. Here is a link for info on building a nice 3 event lake. For recreational wakeboarding a little bigger lake would be nice.
http://www.waterskimag.com/article.jsp?ID=4710

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PostPosted: Mar 13, 2008 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1500 ft, not counting the turnarounds with islands, is about 6 or 7 back to back jumps. I would say that is the bare minimum you would want, with at least 250 ft wide.

Personally I wouldn't go less than 2000 ft though, I feel like I am constantly turning around on 1500.
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PostPosted: Mar 13, 2008 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the info, it has really helped out a lot. Keep it coming!
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PostPosted: Mar 13, 2008 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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200ft wide is a little small. The average wake rope is 85ft. So if you ride all the way out and the boat is just off the center of the lake you could end up on the shore. You would want atleast 300ft.


Did you skip pythagorean theorem day in geometry class?

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PostPosted: Mar 13, 2008 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I designed one. www.placidwaters.com

2150X280 feet - 15 feet deep, 10:1 side slopes.

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PostPosted: Mar 13, 2008 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jryoung wrote:
brinks wrote:
200ft wide is a little small. The average wake rope is 85ft. So if you ride all the way out and the boat is just off the center of the lake you could end up on the shore. You would want atleast 300ft.


Did you skip pythagorean theorem day in geometry class?


umm, what does pythagorus have to do with this? An 85 ft line out the side of the boat implies a minimum of 170 ft wide lake if you want to allow the rider to go fully out. Some safety margin would imply a lake of at least 200 more like 250 feet wide. No pythagorus needed.
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PostPosted: Mar 13, 2008 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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200ft wide is a little small. The average wake rope is 85ft. So if you ride all the way out and the boat is just off the center of the lake you could end up on the shore. You would want atleast 300ft.


Did you skip pythagorean theorem day in geometry class?


umm, what does pythagorus have to do with this? An 85 ft line out the side of the boat implies a minimum of 170 ft wide lake if you want to allow the rider to go fully out. Some safety margin would imply a lake of at least 200 more like 250 feet wide. No pythagorus needed.


Rarely do riders ride with 85ft, but if they do we can skip geometry class and go to physics and know that a rider is not going to be perpendicular to the boat. Not to mention there are only a handful of riders that have the technique to have a progressive edge in from all the way out.

We can go into the other variables such as and 85' rope is really 81' considering an average beam of 96".

So you'd have to have a rider using an 85' rope, a driver 21' off center, a physical miracle to get out perpendicular to the boat, and someone too stupid to run themselves into the shore.

Sorry to beat this to death, but I ride the delta and the majority of sloughs are nowhere near 200ft wide and we get by just fine. We even pass boats with downed riders.

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PostPosted: Mar 14, 2008 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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jryoung wrote:
brinks wrote:
200ft wide is a little small. The average wake rope is 85ft. So if you ride all the way out and the boat is just off the center of the lake you could end up on the shore. You would want atleast 300ft.


Did you skip pythagorean theorem day in geometry class?


umm, what does pythagorus have to do with this? An 85 ft line out the side of the boat implies a minimum of 170 ft wide lake if you want to allow the rider to go fully out. Some safety margin would imply a lake of at least 200 more like 250 feet wide. No pythagorus needed.


Rarely do riders ride with 85ft, but if they do we can skip geometry class and go to physics and know that a rider is not going to be perpendicular to the boat. Not to mention there are only a handful of riders that have the technique to have a progressive edge in from all the way out.

We can go into the other variables such as and 85' rope is really 81' considering an average beam of 96".

So you'd have to have a rider using an 85' rope, a driver 21' off center, a physical miracle to get out perpendicular to the boat, and someone too stupid to run themselves into the shore.

Sorry to beat this to death, but I ride the delta and the majority of sloughs are nowhere near 200ft wide and we get by just fine. We even pass boats with downed riders.


Hold on there Tonto.

It could be that few people use 85 ft rope, but some might, and we are looking at a worst case scenario.

My physics says that if I get up a good amount of speed I can go perpendicular top the boat fairly easily. I have proven this experimentally hundreds of times. Geometry only says that the length of the rope is the max distance from the boat in a circular arc from the fulcrum, or the point at which the rope is attached. These points have nothing to do with edging in from that max angle spot.

An 85 ft rope is 85 ft, not 81 ft. The beam of the boat is irrelevant. Suppose the boat was 100 feet wide. Does that make a 200 foot wide lake really 300 feet wide? The beam of the boat has no bearing on this point.

As for being too stupid so that the rider hits shore, it does happen. I am aware of several cases. I agree that it is avoidable, but if the rider has enough steam, mistakes can be made. Also as for getting by with less than 200 feet, of course this can be done, but it seems a pain that is unnecessary if the man-made lake is well-designed initially.
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PostPosted: Mar 14, 2008 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

boarditup wrote:
I designed one. www.placidwaters.com

2150X280 feet - 15 feet deep, 10:1 side slopes.


Cool site, how many lots have been sold?

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PostPosted: Mar 14, 2008 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who's tonto?

I don't know what I was thinking with the beam measurement, probably running too many numbers though my head.

I'll still maintain though that 200ft is enough room, and when you are paying for the cost of excavating an extra 50' could be quite significant compared to the rare potential of an 85' rope, a perpendicular rider and a driver 15' off center. If a rider with 85' of rope can't get him/herself in control by the time they reach being perpendicular to the boat (assuming they have that much momentum) there are other unknown forces at play.

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PostPosted: Mar 14, 2008 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that the extra 50' could be a lot of coin, and also the 85 ft rope is rare, and also the chance of going out that far without control are low, but still one accident and everyone will regret it for a long time.
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PostPosted: Mar 14, 2008 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took a fall the other day which was so bad that I went 85 ft deep and hit the bottom (I was still holding onto the rope).
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PostPosted: Mar 14, 2008 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

we ride the creek in houston and there's no way in hell it's anywhere close to 150' wide.
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PostPosted: Mar 14, 2008 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry about all the fuss. I was not thinking about an edge out to the side of the boat. I was implying that if some one was riding an 85ft+ rope and say did a big raley trick, landed on edge then took a fall and rolled there is a chance they could end up on shore or in very shallow water and get hurt. I was in no way saying someone would just cut out and hit the shore. I have seen plenty of rider take a fall after the landing and skip across the water a good 10+ feet.
The 85ft rope is more common than you think. I would say half the decent student we would get at our camp rode 82-87ft ropes. I ride at 85ft.
I am just trying to help him avoid any kind of accident that could be prevented. Any tournament 3-event (sorry for the bad word) site is going to be a minimum of 250ft and 300-350ft if there is a ski jump.
Again sorry for the problems.

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PostPosted: Mar 15, 2008 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brinks, do you work at a wakeboard school? Where is it?
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I ran a school in Arizona for about 5 years and now I am in Orlando and I coached out at OWC.
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