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S.Dot Newbie

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Posted: Mar 13, 2008 10:05 am Post subject: Private Wakeboard Lake Dimensions |
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Does anybody know desired dimensions in regards to a private wakeboard lake. We'd like to wakeboard, wakesurf, and waterski.
Also, does anybody know the effects of large wakes in regards to eroding/damaging the shoreline? I'm wondering if there are any preventative methods such as a material or liner to prevent this.
Let me know, thanks!
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Wakebrad Ladies Man


Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas
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Posted: Mar 13, 2008 10:40 am Post subject: |
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2100 ft long. 200 ft wide. minimum. For wakeboarding a surfing you should go down to at least 12 ft or else you won't get full size out of the wake. Barbell shape is the best with islands at the ends to knock down rollers.
The less grade on your shoreline the less rollers will come back. I wouldn't worry about a liner for the rollers initially. If your soil is really loose sand you might need to put something down later, but I've never seen one on any of the private lakes I've been to. _________________ You have just entered the twilight zone. |
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key Wakeboarder.Commie

Joined: 15 Feb 2003 Posts: 1348 City: AIKEN S.C.
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Posted: Mar 13, 2008 10:49 am Post subject: |
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i dont remeber the dementions, but i google earthed "radar lake" and used the measurement feature to get length and width measurements. i wanted to do the same on my dads property. didnt have quite enough on the length of his property to get close to RADAR!!!!!!! _________________ IN GOD WE TRUST,..........ALL OTHERS MUST PAY CASH!!!!! |
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Hollywood PityDaFool Who Posts This Much


Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Posts: 5601 City: Door Knob
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Posted: Mar 13, 2008 10:50 am Post subject: |
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brinks Addict


Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 566 City: Orlando
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Posted: Mar 13, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: |
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200ft wide is a little small. The average wake rope is 85ft. So if you ride all the way out and the boat is just off the center of the lake you could end up on the shore. You would want atleast 300ft. You also want the lake to be 10ft or more deep to allow for a big wake. Here is a link for info on building a nice 3 event lake. For recreational wakeboarding a little bigger lake would be nice.
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matt1808 Wakeboarder.Commie

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Posted: Mar 13, 2008 11:35 am Post subject: |
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1500 ft, not counting the turnarounds with islands, is about 6 or 7 back to back jumps. I would say that is the bare minimum you would want, with at least 250 ft wide.
Personally I wouldn't go less than 2000 ft though, I feel like I am constantly turning around on 1500. |
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Posted: Mar 13, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for all the info, it has really helped out a lot. Keep it coming! |
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jryoung Ladies Man


Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose
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Posted: Mar 13, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| brinks wrote: | | 200ft wide is a little small. The average wake rope is 85ft. So if you ride all the way out and the boat is just off the center of the lake you could end up on the shore. You would want atleast 300ft. |
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boarditup Addict

Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Posts: 731 City: Allendale, MI
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abrider Criminal

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Posted: Mar 13, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| jryoung wrote: | | brinks wrote: | | 200ft wide is a little small. The average wake rope is 85ft. So if you ride all the way out and the boat is just off the center of the lake you could end up on the shore. You would want atleast 300ft. |
Did you skip pythagorean theorem day in geometry class? |
umm, what does pythagorus have to do with this? An 85 ft line out the side of the boat implies a minimum of 170 ft wide lake if you want to allow the rider to go fully out. Some safety margin would imply a lake of at least 200 more like 250 feet wide. No pythagorus needed. |
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jryoung Ladies Man


Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose
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Posted: Mar 13, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| abrider wrote: | | jryoung wrote: | | brinks wrote: | | 200ft wide is a little small. The average wake rope is 85ft. So if you ride all the way out and the boat is just off the center of the lake you could end up on the shore. You would want atleast 300ft. |
Did you skip pythagorean theorem day in geometry class? |
umm, what does pythagorus have to do with this? An 85 ft line out the side of the boat implies a minimum of 170 ft wide lake if you want to allow the rider to go fully out. Some safety margin would imply a lake of at least 200 more like 250 feet wide. No pythagorus needed. |
Rarely do riders ride with 85ft, but if they do we can skip geometry class and go to physics and know that a rider is not going to be perpendicular to the boat. Not to mention there are only a handful of riders that have the technique to have a progressive edge in from all the way out.
We can go into the other variables such as and 85' rope is really 81' considering an average beam of 96".
So you'd have to have a rider using an 85' rope, a driver 21' off center, a physical miracle to get out perpendicular to the boat, and someone too stupid to run themselves into the shore.
Sorry to beat this to death, but I ride the delta and the majority of sloughs are nowhere near 200ft wide and we get by just fine. We even pass boats with downed riders. _________________
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abrider Criminal

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Posted: Mar 14, 2008 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| jryoung wrote: | | abrider wrote: | | jryoung wrote: | | brinks wrote: | | 200ft wide is a little small. The average wake rope is 85ft. So if you ride all the way out and the boat is just off the center of the lake you could end up on the shore. You would want atleast 300ft. |
Did you skip pythagorean theorem day in geometry class? |
umm, what does pythagorus have to do with this? An 85 ft line out the side of the boat implies a minimum of 170 ft wide lake if you want to allow the rider to go fully out. Some safety margin would imply a lake of at least 200 more like 250 feet wide. No pythagorus needed. |
Rarely do riders ride with 85ft, but if they do we can skip geometry class and go to physics and know that a rider is not going to be perpendicular to the boat. Not to mention there are only a handful of riders that have the technique to have a progressive edge in from all the way out.
We can go into the other variables such as and 85' rope is really 81' considering an average beam of 96".
So you'd have to have a rider using an 85' rope, a driver 21' off center, a physical miracle to get out perpendicular to the boat, and someone too stupid to run themselves into the shore.
Sorry to beat this to death, but I ride the delta and the majority of sloughs are nowhere near 200ft wide and we get by just fine. We even pass boats with downed riders. |
Hold on there Tonto.
It could be that few people use 85 ft rope, but some might, and we are looking at a worst case scenario.
My physics says that if I get up a good amount of speed I can go perpendicular top the boat fairly easily. I have proven this experimentally hundreds of times. Geometry only says that the length of the rope is the max distance from the boat in a circular arc from the fulcrum, or the point at which the rope is attached. These points have nothing to do with edging in from that max angle spot.
An 85 ft rope is 85 ft, not 81 ft. The beam of the boat is irrelevant. Suppose the boat was 100 feet wide. Does that make a 200 foot wide lake really 300 feet wide? The beam of the boat has no bearing on this point.
As for being too stupid so that the rider hits shore, it does happen. I am aware of several cases. I agree that it is avoidable, but if the rider has enough steam, mistakes can be made. Also as for getting by with less than 200 feet, of course this can be done, but it seems a pain that is unnecessary if the man-made lake is well-designed initially. |
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Hollywood PityDaFool Who Posts This Much


Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Posts: 5601 City: Door Knob
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Posted: Mar 14, 2008 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| boarditup wrote: | I designed one. www.placidwaters.com
2150X280 feet - 15 feet deep, 10:1 side slopes. |
Cool site, how many lots have been sold? _________________
| dizzlestoy wrote: | | Dumb question... What is "Bubb Rubbing" I googled it and wakeboarder.com came up. |
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jryoung Ladies Man


Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose
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Posted: Mar 14, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: |
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Who's tonto?
I don't know what I was thinking with the beam measurement, probably running too many numbers though my head.
I'll still maintain though that 200ft is enough room, and when you are paying for the cost of excavating an extra 50' could be quite significant compared to the rare potential of an 85' rope, a perpendicular rider and a driver 15' off center. If a rider with 85' of rope can't get him/herself in control by the time they reach being perpendicular to the boat (assuming they have that much momentum) there are other unknown forces at play. _________________
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abrider Criminal

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Posted: Mar 14, 2008 8:14 am Post subject: |
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| I agree that the extra 50' could be a lot of coin, and also the 85 ft rope is rare, and also the chance of going out that far without control are low, but still one accident and everyone will regret it for a long time. |
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flounderbout Outlaw


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Posted: Mar 14, 2008 8:30 am Post subject: |
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| I took a fall the other day which was so bad that I went 85 ft deep and hit the bottom (I was still holding onto the rope). |
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jt09 Ladies Man


Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin
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Posted: Mar 14, 2008 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| we ride the creek in houston and there's no way in hell it's anywhere close to 150' wide. |
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brinks Addict


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Posted: Mar 14, 2008 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry about all the fuss. I was not thinking about an edge out to the side of the boat. I was implying that if some one was riding an 85ft+ rope and say did a big raley trick, landed on edge then took a fall and rolled there is a chance they could end up on shore or in very shallow water and get hurt. I was in no way saying someone would just cut out and hit the shore. I have seen plenty of rider take a fall after the landing and skip across the water a good 10+ feet.
The 85ft rope is more common than you think. I would say half the decent student we would get at our camp rode 82-87ft ropes. I ride at 85ft.
I am just trying to help him avoid any kind of accident that could be prevented. Any tournament 3-event (sorry for the bad word) site is going to be a minimum of 250ft and 300-350ft if there is a ski jump.
Again sorry for the problems. _________________ My Demo Reel
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Posted: Mar 15, 2008 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| Brinks, do you work at a wakeboard school? Where is it? |
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brinks Addict


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