Toeside edge problem

Pconn5 · Criminal Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 85

Ok i just am starting to learn w2w heelside i finally learned how to control myself in the air and get some decent air but still can't make it fully w2w. I don't think my problem is with my progressive edge but more with not having a strong enough toeside edge to cut far enough outside the wake. My problem is that my toes hit the water and drag if i try to cut hard and this starts to pull me under. I tried moving my bindings back a little and it helped a little but my toes still hit the water. Any tips would be great and maybe some pictures of how the bindings compare to how far they are from the edge.

FLWake · Soul Rider Joined: 21 Apr 2007 Posts: 274

Pconn5, I have the same problem as you. I was riding on an 02 Cobe, and the board wasn't much wider than the bindings which is what I think was the problem. The board may also be too small, making you sit lower in the water.

Pconn5 · Criminal Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 85

Well the board isn't too smal because i have a 142 and im not a very big person. I do have slightly large feet but not huge. And yes the bindings are basically as wide as the board. Any way to fix this problem? Should i just duck out the bindings some more or what? I think i could easily clear the wake with some good pop if it wasn't for this problem!

nickl011 · Posted: May 20, 2007 12:54 pm Post subject:

Try riding an LF fish, that'll solve your problems. Wink

Pconn5 · Criminal Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 85

Yea, lol ok. Let me go buy one. lol. But i don't think that will really solve my problem

FLWake · Soul Rider Joined: 21 Apr 2007 Posts: 274

Oh, you could also try setting your binding closer together as a last resort. I don't know how far apart your feet are, but the board gets wider towards the middle so maybe putting the bindings in a notch or two and moving them towards the heelside could solve your problem.

Pconn5 · Criminal Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 85

I have moved the bindings toward the heelside one notch and it helped a little. I don't think i could go any farther or the heels of my bindings might hit the water. I might have to try to move the bindings in closer next time out and also maybe trying to push it one more notch towards the heelside and see if it causes any problems. thanks for the help

Blindside_137 · Posted: May 20, 2007 1:54 pm Post subject:

how fast are you riding... MPH wise?

Pconn5 · Criminal Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 85

I think around 20 mph or so. Would increased speed help w2w and my toeside edge problem? Due to the incresed plane?

Blindside_137 · Posted: May 20, 2007 2:58 pm Post subject:

That's what I'm thinking, but that shouldn't really be happening at 20 mph...

I guess it's worht a shot. Try 22 or something next time and see what that does...

Pconn5 · Criminal Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 85

Ok i will probably try that out. hopefully i can get out tommorow but im not sure. Is there any way to practice my toeside so that im not doing this because i have seen people cut and they are almost sideways and there bindings go to almost the edge of the board and they don't seem to have this problem.

Blindside_137 · Posted: May 20, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject:

Maybe try not to bend your legs to much? I'm not sure what could be going on...

jpk · Outlaw Joined: 07 Aug 2005 Posts: 215 City: Redmond

Sounds like your trying to set too hard of an edge and just hold it to cut out. Your bindings probably are not your problem.

Keep a straight posture (no exaggerated bend at the waist over your toes) and point your chest in the direction you are cutting out. Hold the rope close to your leading hip as you are cutting out and pull it in tight as you lean against the rope to cut out. Increase your lean gradually as you cut out until you've taken the rope out taught. That is as far as the rope will let you go and it is time to flatten out to cut back in.

Pconn5 · Criminal Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 85

Wow thanks for the information. I am probably just trying to cut too hard and then letting off. Also maybe i am actually just getting as far as i can and just need to learn to cut at the wake a little harder. I'll try to get someone to video me tommorow if i go and see what you guys think. thanks for the help.

Blindside_137 · Posted: May 20, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject:

Sure thing Pconn5. A video might be a lot of help. I'm thinking maybe you are trying to bend your knees and leaning to cut away from the wake.

But you should be keeping your legs nearly straight and stiff...

tpj · Outlaw Joined: 31 Jan 2007 Posts: 158

i had the same problem, dont cut out as hard, go a little less and u should stop doing that

Pconn5 · Criminal Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 85

Yea thanks for the help.Went out today and tried to just cut out a little less hard and tried to speed the boat out a little and it helped a lot. It basically eliminated the problem. I thought i should just ask for some w2w help here imstead of starting a new thread. I can make it 3 quarters of the way across the wake but just cant get all the way across. Should i be trying to pop a little more? Also on my progressive edge how long should i be waiting to start a hard cut. Watching th book dvd they said i should be able to take no cut at all and just let the boat pull me in and i could ollie the whole wake. How come i cant even come close with a progressive edge?

jhilly8982 · Addict Joined: 04 Oct 2006 Posts: 782 City: Northville

is the handle at your hips? cause it should be, do you edge in properly?

Pconn5 · Criminal Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 85

I believe my problem is that i am starting my edge too soon and too hard. It doesn't feel like i am when im at the wake but im probably loosing speed. So when should i really start leaning hard on the rope? At like 5 feet out of the wake?

pet575 · Posted: May 22, 2007 12:47 pm Post subject:

I believe The Book said to start the hardest part when you get to the foam on your way in.

Pconn5 · Criminal Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 85

Ok so i still have not been able to go w2w yet and its getting pretty frustrating now. I got some video today of a few jumps that i need to get up and will post it later. Maybe this will help you guys help me out a little. I need to watch the book some more and keep trying.

EDIT: OK i got the video up. Prepare for the worst air ever!

http://media.putfile.com/Wakeboard-86

sabastianunf · Posted: May 28, 2007 3:51 pm Post subject:

Your wake seems washed out on your heelside - try moving some weight around in the boat to get a better wake. Also looks like you are going too slow - how fast is the boat going (should be 21-23 mph). Only true way to measure speed on water is GPS - your spedo may be off. Also you are not getting a good edge or good line tension as you approach the wake. You may want to work at feeling the edge out and getting a progressively harder edge as you come up to the wake. If you can not get your board to edge harder that you currently are you may want to go with a smaller board. I am a little heavier than you are and I ride a 140 which is a little to big for me.

Pconn5 · Criminal Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 85

I haven't used gps to see how fast the boat is going and don't have gps to do it with but the speedo says that the boats going 22. I think this is off because the boat used to go about 40-45 and now it says it tops out at 35-37. Ill try to go a little faster next time out. Also which side of the boat should i weight to clear up the wake or should i just shorten the rope slightly? Also speeding the boat up might clear it up. And for my progressive edge are you saying I'm starting my edge too fast or I'm not edging hard enough? Thanks for the help. Unfortunately i can't get a smaller board so I will have to do with what i got. I have ridden a smaller board before and it just felt awkward and too small. thanks for the help.

sabastianunf · Posted: May 29, 2007 2:32 pm Post subject:

For a progressive edge you want to ease into it and gradually cut harder. Just go to the outside and let the boat start to pull you toward the wake. As you get closer to the wake start leaning on the edge harder and harder. As you lean/edge harder you will build line tension. By the time you hit the wake you should be putting alot of force on the edge of the board and a lot of tension on the line. Hold that edge until the top of the wake. At the top of the wake you want to stand up tall to get the full effect of the pop off the wake. More speed will probably help clean up the wake but you may also want to have someone in the boat that can move from one side to the other until the wake is the same on both sides. Shortening the rope will work but that is the easy way out and will hurt you latter on. You get the most pop off the stepest part of the wake which is just ahead of where it truns over and into white water. Later on you will need to hit that sweet spot in the wake to pull off more advanced tricks.

Pconn5 · Criminal Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 85

Ok so i think next time out i need to work on my edging so i can increase how well i edge. Do you think i even have a hard enough edge or do i need a harder edge that is also more progressive? Also should i be bending at my knees more?

Lastly can you explain an ollie edge? How is it that someone can take no cut at all and clear the whole wake while i can take a slightly hard cut and not even come close?

sabastianunf · Posted: May 29, 2007 10:18 pm Post subject:

I would say just more progressive. It's all about riding more and getting comforatable. I'm not a pro myself but the more I go out the easier it gets.