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PostPosted: Aug 23, 2006 2:50 pm    Post subject: Getting up ?? The right way vs wrong way? Reply with quote

Hellos all,

I've watched numerous vids, read through 20+ articeles, and visited 10+ web pages in hopes of finding the right way to get up. Everyone seems to have a different verision of how to get up.

I first tried the slow and steady method.
board perpendicluar to boat
keep relaxed, arms out, dont muscle.
bend knee's
Let the boat pull you up.

I seemed to turn into a human boat anchor... After about 3-5 seconds of plowing my grip gives up.

Then a fellow nieghbor decided to give me some tips and pull my on his boat.

The "arm ripping" method.

He said to point the board parrel to boat, and begin standing as soon as he hits the gas on the boat. After a 4-5 attempts of tug of war with the a 300+hp boat, i realized that my arms where probaly 2 inches longer.

So which is the right way?

Can you ride around sideways accross the lake (as my training vid suggested) and take your time getting up? Or does that only apply to people that are jack diesel "water" peoples that have been watersking / waking since there 5 years old.

Some of the things i "think" may have caused my failure, during the slow and steady method.

Rope was made for watersking, 75ft very stretchy.

I didnt have my arms on outside of knee's.

I wasnt poiting my toes, i was possibly keeping the board at a 90 degree angle.

The person driving boat is as lost as i am when it comes to watersports Smile
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PostPosted: Aug 23, 2006 4:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting up ?? The right way vs wrong way? Reply with quote

zerobane wrote:
Some of the things i "think" may have caused my failure, during the slow and steady method.

Rope was made for watersking, 75ft very stretchy.

I didnt have my arms on outside of knee's.

I wasnt poiting my toes, i was possibly keeping the board at a 90 degree angle.

The person driving boat is as lost as i am when it comes to watersports Smile


Ok, I'm still a newb myself, but here's my opinion for what its worth....

Bingo on all FOUR counts!

1. A long, stretchy waterski rope can make a huge difference. My first rope was a nylon cheapy. Though it was marketed for wakeboarding, it was basically a ski rope with a wake handle. I rode that rope for about 2 months until getting a Spectra rope. The difference was night and day. This does not mean that you can't get up and ride a ski rope, but it certainly doesn't make things any easier, especially if you're just learning. If you don't want to spring for a spectra rope, then at least try shortening the one you have. I'd probably try 65 ft and see if that helps.

2. Arms go OUTSIDE your knees.

3. A big part of getting up on the board is getting it to plane out from being underwater. If you angle the board downward, the flow of the water will force it DOWN rather than up. Try flexing your ankles upward by pointing your toes to the sky or something similar. You want the water to flow UNDER the board and force it to the surface. Think of the board as the flaps on a plane's wings. Adjust the angle accordingly to get the appropriate amount of "lift".

4. The boat driver is an integral part of boarding. A bad pull just makes for a crappy experience. I can't really offer more than that because there are so many different types of boats. My little runabout requires a WOT to get a boarder up. My buddy's 28 ft. big block parasail boat only takes about 1/2 throttle. This is something you'll just have to experiment with.

Hope this helps. Hang in there.

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PostPosted: Aug 23, 2006 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Rope was made for watersking, 75ft very stretchy.

I didnt have my arms on outside of knee's.

I wasnt poiting my toes, i was possibly keeping the board at a 90 degree angle.

The person driving boat is as lost as i am when it comes to watersports


hokay so,
I am not a watergo-er been wakeboarding/skiiing since im 5 but
In my experience getting up, which I got up my 2nd try and I always get up now, I've always kept my arms inbetween my knees when starting, I don't know whether that is "wrong" but I think whatever works for you, works for you. The rope shouldnt make a big difference, I started out on a nylon line and found it ok, but changed to all spectra once I learned how to jump and such, thats where it makes the most difference. As for your toes, that could be a key thing, you want to plane out on the water so you slide with it.

When I ride a big engine wakeboat, I come up perpendicular to the boat and can slide like that all day, but I usually ride a 120 hp I/O so getting up is a little different. I find that I start perpendicular, but as the boat begins to pull I get compressed in, and immediatly start to turn the board (this helps me plane out on the water aswell) and can then pop up.
I dunno how your driver accelerates, but on my I/O we basically floor it to get someone up, then cut back when they are standing.

Hope this helps, although I'm not too hot with advice

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PostPosted: Aug 23, 2006 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put my arms outside my knees. i sit in the water in quite a tight ball. your butt should be near the board. you want to point your toes some, so water us going under your board like HHI Dave says. if you feel like your playing tug of war, then point your toes more.

you can ride around the lake with the board perpindicular to your travel direction. you can ride around the lake in the sqaut position i described: your back will hurt, but you can do it.

once the board is planing on top of the water, it is time to stand up and turn the board.

i tell my friends and family, you can't stay in your ball too long.
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PostPosted: Aug 24, 2006 5:34 am    Post subject: Getting Up The Right Way vs The Wrong Way Reply with quote

The wayI learned was as explained.. except when the boat powers up push the board under water as your standing up. You may be trying to plow up like on skis, this wont work. As you push the board under it should automaticly plane to the surface.
Getting up should be pretty effortless.

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PostPosted: Aug 24, 2006 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are lots of different techniques for getting up. Arms in, arms out, balled, standing, etc, etc. I personally do not ball up. I have my legs at 90 degrees and my back straight. My arms are always above my knees. But the one thing that all these techniques have in common is that the board must be underneath you to ride it. If the rope is being pulled out of your hands you are keeping the board too far out in front and it is just plowing thru the water. When the boat starts let the board go down in the water and get on top of it. Lean back to balance against the pull of the boat and you will come right up. All the other stuff is just personal preference.
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PostPosted: Aug 24, 2006 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sit in the water just like I sit in a recliner. Totally relaxed and just hanging out, top of the board is maybe a little above the surface of the water, its just floating. I use a cheapie ski rope also. As soon as the boat starts to move, there is a ton of pressure on the board. For me, as soon as this pressure starts to build, the board is forced under water and my body starts to rise, as soon as this starts to occur, I start to angle my board by lifting my left foot (I ride normal) - at this point I am about shin deep in water. By lifting my left foot, I bring the nose of the board towards the surface which in turn makes a ramp so the board will plane. And then i pop right up.

My brother-in-law couldnt get up. We tried at least 15 pulls and he couldnt do it. He kept leaning forward, and the board would get forced down and then he would go face first or fall to the side. I think his problem was that the boat pulled and he would bend at the waist at which point his hands moved in front of the board, and then the pressure would push on the board, and since he was in such an awkward position, it would just pull him right over. You do not want to do this, you want to keep your feet closer to the boat than your hands. Lean back and push on the water with your feet.

A very exaggerated example would be for you to be floating on your back, with your feet aimed at the boat. Lets assume you attached the rope to the bottom of the board, as the boat moved it would be pulling you and the water would be hitting the bottom of the board, due to the pressure, it would want to force it either up or down, with your body still straight, if you could manage to get it to slowly start to rise, the board would pop on top of the water and you would be riding (welll, if you could get the rope from the bottom of the board into your hands). Now lets imagine that the boat is stopped, and you are laying there, and you sit up and bend at the waist as far as you can, so that the handle and your hands are closer to the boat than the board. As soon as the boat starts to pull, the board will be forced back and down at the same time your upper body is pulled forward, resulting in you being pulled along for a few seconds until you either lose your grip or fall over forwards.

Keep in mind, that getting up does not have to be a fast process. If the boat is moving at 10mph, you can hang on all day long and be drug through the water. Its not you versus the water, its you using the water and the pressure to get your board up on a plane. My wife was the driver, and she hadnt driven before. One time she didnt give it enough gas, and I swear it took about 10-15 seconds to get up. I was hanging out in the mid-shin half turned position for abour 5 seconds until the boat got up to speed.
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PostPosted: Aug 24, 2006 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the Tips!

Went and bought a decent wakeboard rope; Accurate / Apex along with some gloves, i have computer programmer hands Razz

I think the putting knee's together and pointing toes are one in the same, i noticed when your strapped in and you put your knee's your toes automaticall point at angle.

I think the feeling is starting to come back to my arms, going to give it another try this weekend. Smile
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PostPosted: Aug 25, 2006 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found the easiest way for me was to point the tip of the board at about
1 o'clock or 11 o'clock depending on which way you want to ride. I have my back leg flexed and my front leg about half straight. As the boat begins to pull stay on your back foot to keep the tip of the board up and the board will start to rotate and plane, now you can begin to transition to standing. My father in law tried and tried last summer but he couldn't get it. He tried again this summer and got up on the second try. He has a knee replacement on his right side and still slaloms, skis backward on trick skis, and now wakeboards.

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PostPosted: Aug 25, 2006 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tell your driver to put the boat in gear at idle speed. Try to slide the board down and under you. this will give you the feeling of how to pop up out of the water. try it a few times and then tell the driver to give you a good, steady pull. there is no reason to jerk you out of the water at full speed. Good luck.
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PostPosted: Aug 29, 2006 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know the feeling about being a human boat anchor. and I figured out i wasn't bending my knees enough and i was leaning too far forward. So the cure would be to lean back (but not too much) and bend your knees enough to keep the board in front of you.
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PostPosted: Aug 30, 2006 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My experience has been that most people get up better when the boat driver slowly accelerates instead of floring it. My sister was falling on her face so I drove really slowly and she popped up at about 5 mph. And the trim needs to be all the way down, but I guess that's obvious because you start with the trim all the way down if you plan on planing the boat anyways.
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PostPosted: Aug 30, 2006 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know how you're holding your hands. For me, after failing numerous times trying to get up with hands positioned with both knuckles up, I tried holding the handle like a baseball bat (but with more space between my hands) and got up the first time.
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PostPosted: Aug 30, 2006 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no need for the driver to "gun it"...a solid progressive pull will work well here -Let the boat do the work...start off with board perpendicular to the boat with arms out over the board - do not push with your feet or pull with your arms - looking at it from the side, the board will be vertical in the water... as the boat starts, let it's pullcompress you into a ball where your butt is against your heels, point your toes slightly towards the boat, this will cause the board to go from a vertical orientation to a 45 degree angle causing water to run under the board so the board starts to plane onto the water - don't stand up too soon...you can ride in a crouched position for a long time before having to stand...as you stand the board will plane on top of the water horizontally...once you stand, bend at the knees, not at the waste - chest up!!! You want a strong athletic stance with your weight centered over the board - lots of folks have too much weight on their rear leg.

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PostPosted: Aug 30, 2006 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put my board pointing at 11 'o clock and the boat just pulls me up...once im up..i finnish rotating the board to make it straight.....
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