NOOOOO.....THE LAKERS LOST

Mister C · Posted: May 15, 2003 6:29 pm Post subject: NOOOOO.....THE LAKERS LOST

Lakers are out, and yes, this was started before the game was actually over, but technically it was over before it began cuz they have been sucking majorly. Oh well, now i can just root for the ducks and hope a southland team gets to some kind of championship this year.

WIDE-A-WAKE · Soul Rider Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 370 City: Otis

I would have to say that the lakers suck period.

Mister C · Posted: May 15, 2003 6:38 pm Post subject:

No, they were good the past couple of years, but they never quite got it together this year.

Jello John · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 1936

YESSSS.....THE LAKERS LOST

The Ducks will lose...you know it's going to happen! Surprised

Dragonlady8 · Guest

Not over until the fat lady sings.......and when she does sing it will be loud and long.
I don't want the lakers to win.

Mister C · Posted: May 15, 2003 6:42 pm Post subject:

The ducks are not going to lose (kinda like the lakers werent going to lose); this time, socal wont be let down.

jumalian · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 7625 City: san diego

The Lakers suck, period? What have you been smoking? Why do you guys hate them so much? 'Cause they won 3 straight? Rolling Eyes

Oh well, they couldn't kept winning forever. I'm willing to bet they'll come back stronger next year (w/ a power forward) and win it all again.

Thanks for a great season, Lakers! Cool

Mister C · Posted: May 15, 2003 6:44 pm Post subject:

The lakers have needed a power forward ever since AC green left. Every year they say they're gonna ge ta decent power forward, and every year they never do.

Jello John · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 1936

I'm sick of seeing the Lakers. With exception of Shaq and Kobe, I find them to be a very boring team to watch. I want to see a new champion this year. I'm rooting for the Spurs right now. Mr. Green

WIDE-A-WAKE · Soul Rider Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 370 City: Otis

Jumalian,
I haven't been skmokin anything, just becuase they have Kobe and Shaq, everybody thinks they can roll over every team with ease. Its about time someone stoped them.

Dragonlady8 · Guest

Never been a laker fan coming from San Diego.
But I do want the Ducks to win

jumalian · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 7625 City: san diego

Yes, they've said that in recent years, but there are power forwards available next year, in Horace Grant, who was quoted in a Bay Area newspaper as wanting to play for the Lakers, and Karl Malone, telling a Utah paper that L.A. is one of the teams he's interested in. Yeah, these guys are old, but they can still play. Anyone, other than Samaki, please! The Lakers need to make some big moves, and after this loss, I think they will.

BW · Addict Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 602

I hate the lakers, i am glad they lost. Most of them are selfish players and i dont like their style of play. I cheer for one guy on that team....mark madsen, he is what basketball is all about.

jumalian · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 7625 City: san diego

So because they're confident and think they can win, that means they suck? Nice logic.

pooser · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 4738

Everyone is just hating on the lakers is beacause they have been the best team the past three years. I do think this year they didnt deservre a championship with the way they were playing against the spurs. hopefully next year they will come back strong and bring the championship back to la.

Mister C · Posted: May 15, 2003 8:44 pm Post subject:

Amen to that. Bring a championship back to LA and madsen is what basketball is all about. Hustling up the court, even though he knows that he probably wont get the ball. Hes a real player.

Todd Armstrong · Addict Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Posts: 758 City: Battle Ground

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

BW · Addict Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 602

It isnt that the Lakers are cocky, because there is a big difference between being cocky and confident. I just dont like how they handle themselves on the court and their style of play. I think if you want to watch real basketball then watch a Jazz game. I know they are out but they play the game how it was supposed to be played, they are just missing someone to compliment malone down low, Ostertag doesnt cut it. The lakers just seem like they are too good to do the grinding stuff in basketball, but madsen is the exception.

Dees · Posted: May 15, 2003 9:21 pm Post subject:

maybe shaq will lose some weight, fatty. in the best nelson voice (point at L.A.) HA HA

where da moose at know

Premier135Chick · Guest

People were pretty bummed out in my bar tonight that they had lost.

Jello John · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 1936

Madsen is only fun to watch for a little while, until you realize that he really is one of the worst players in the league and has few skills. I root for him too, but it's just because I can't believe he's even been around this long.

jason_ssr · Posted: May 16, 2003 5:14 am Post subject:

The reason everyone hates the Lakers is all about class. Everyone likes a classy champion. Michael was a classy champion, Shaq is not. Shaq calls people names in the media like he was in 4th grade! No class at all. Kobe acts like he can win every game they play if he felt like winning that day. Remember when he had his high point game this year? When asked what happened, he told the public that Phil asked him to score more and take over, so he did. Like all Phil had to do was say "win this" and he says "ok, I will" and all he needs is the nod from Phil to win. Remember when Micheal scored 63? When asked what happened he humbly said he was fortunate to get into one of those rare zones and that nobody shoots that well. That is class. When they play its isnt about basketball, its about making the highlight reel. That may make them money, and it may sell out the stadium, but it doesnt win championships against solid basketball teams. The Lakers have done well for 2 reasons, and that is they have 2 atheletes who can win despite poor basketball, and free agency has kept solid teams from staying together long enough to really be productive and they have taken advantage of that weakness in the league in general.

jumalian · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 7625 City: san diego

Jason, Michael was also told to get the rest of the team more involved. Remember, Michael even played point for a while. So now, it's Kobe's turn. He was asked to take more shots. Sure, he thinks he can win it for the Lakers, night in and night out. Michael was the same way. He thought he could single handedly tear the opposition apart. And yeah, he was criticized, just like, if not more than Kobe has been.

Michael has also been quoted as saying he could beat anyone. Is that cockiness? Sure. But it's okay for Michael to be cocky, and it's not for Kobe to be? That's ridiculous. These are professional athletes. They think they can beat anyone and everyone. Look at Ruben Patterson, the self proclaimed "Kobe stopper". No one talked about him being cocky.

As for Shaq, it's been an ongoing thing between he and the Kings for the past, what, 4 years? It's all in fun, bro, that's just the type of person Shaq is.

"When they play, is about making the highlight reel."

Do you know the guys personally? Didn't think so.

"The Lakers have done well for 2 reasons, and that is they have 2 atheletes who can win despite poor basketball,"

Wrong again. You don't win 3 championships in a row w/o good coaching, all star players, and teamwork. Just ask Pippen.

Jeremy Coe · Soul Rider Joined: 27 Feb 2003 Posts: 408 City: Auckland

Okay, Im not an expert here, but to liken Kobe to Michael in terms of playing ability is a farce...And Michael, while confident, never came across as being cocky to me. I'm sorry, but Kobe is nowhere near as good as Michael was, and, if Jordan said that, Im sure he wasnt as young as Kobe is when he said it....

jason_ssr · Posted: May 16, 2003 6:35 am Post subject:

I didnt say Micheal wasnt as cocky or even more than Kobe, and apparently wasnt that great of a guy off the court, but in dealing with the media he kept everything classy. Kobe doesnt seem to be concerned with curbing his arrogance to the media.

THAT is why so many hate the Lakers, which was the question you asked.

Also I might add, that an argument can be made that any one of 5 players could be the best player in the league. When Mike was in his prime, there was no question who was the best. That might have given Mike a little slack when he spouted off(which was rare).

Ive been around alot a basketball and I have run around with one of them enough to know how they play. And, from a money standpoint its not a bad idea.

I cant believe you would use the word teamwork with a straight face!

jumalian · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 7625 City: san diego

You better believe I used the word teamwork with a straight face. Do you honestly believe the Lakers would have won 3 straight with just Kobe and Shaq doing the work? What about defense? 3 pointers? Rebounds? Last I checked, Shaq and Kobe didn't get all the numbers. They did produce a lot of the numbers, or even most of 'em, but not all. Fisher, with his 3s, taking of charges, making the extra pass. Fox, with his good defense and making the open shot. Horry...would you leave this guy open, even though he was slumping? Madsen, you will never get more effort than what you will get from him. Shaw, like Horry, would you leave him open behind the arc? Devean, another Madsen (effort), but with a lot more skills. The Lakers, a 2-man team? You're obviously biased towards one team, and that one team not being the Lakers.

You've been around a lot of basketball, you say? Then you know what it takes to win. Though the Lakers didn't have what it took to win this year, they obviously did the last 3 years. And what it took was teamwork. If you think all it took was 2 players, talk to Stockton and Malone.

jumalian · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 7625 City: san diego

Jeremy, none of us are experts here. But for you to say Jordan never came off as cocky, well, that just tells me you didn't watch him, nor his interviews enough. Is it wrong to be cocky? Hell no! If I had the skills that Jordan had and Kobe has, hell, I'd be running up and down the court, and taking everyone on. It's just the nature of the game.

I used to play ball all the time. For a while, I got to the point where I could beat anyone off the dribble and take it to the hole, amongst the trees. I could go up, hang, fake one hand, switch to the next, then shoot and make it. Was I cocky? Sure. I had the skills to back it up. And I wasn't even getting paid!

You're right, Kobe isn't as good as Michael was. I don't think anyone said he was. But Kobe can get in grooves that is comparable to the grooves the Michael got in.

And when Michael made the comment of being able to beat anyone and everyone, he was older when he said it than Kobe is now.

Jeremy Coe · Soul Rider Joined: 27 Feb 2003 Posts: 408 City: Auckland

yeah, I see what you're saying Joe, although I just think Kobe comes across as being a punk sometimes and I really don't think he has been around long enough to act as though he owns the league. I do happen to agree with you about the lakers teamwork though, and because of this, I hasten to add that I doubt Kobe would be seen as as good a player as he is seen as being had he been in another team..the clippers for example Smile

jumalian · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 7625 City: san diego

Jeremy, believe it or not, Kobe's been in the league for 7 years now.

I think I'd be cocky, too!

Ranks #2 in the NBA in Points Per Game(30.0)
Ranks #14 in the NBA in Assists Per Game(5.9)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Steals Per Game(2.21)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Minutes Per Game(41.5)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Minutes Played(3401.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field Goals Made(868.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Field Goal Attempts(1924.0)
Ranks #18 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goals Made(124.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Free Throws(601.0)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts(713.0)
Ranks #14 in the NBA in Assists(481.0)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Steals(181.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points(2461.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Triple-doubles(5.0)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes(12.25)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Field-Goal Attempts Per 48 Minutes(27.15)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes(8.48 )
Ranks #7 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes(10.06)
Ranks #15 in the NBA in Steals Per 48 Minutes(2.55)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Points Per 48 Minutes(34.7)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Total Turnovers(288.0)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points(2298.0)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking(28.02)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes(32.43)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Turnovers Per Game(3.51)

Jeremy Coe · Soul Rider Joined: 27 Feb 2003 Posts: 408 City: Auckland

statmaster joe Smile

Point taken, I'll pipe down Smile

jason_ssr · Posted: May 16, 2003 8:19 am Post subject:

having extra guys on the floor does not teamwork make. Yes every one of those guys are great players, heck, they are in the NBA! However, all they do is pick up junk. Maybe that is their roll, but thats not teamwork. You dont see Kobe working to get Horry off. You dont see Shaq making the extra effort to free guys up on the baseline. Shaq makes shots for himself, and Kobe makes shots for himself. There is no teamwork involved. The other guys are there to bail the big two out. Sure they make some shots, they are freakin pros!

Stockton and Malone!! HAHA!! You are comparing to guys who were average atheletes on an average team full of more average atheletes to two of the biggest atheletes the game has ever seen. Only thing Stockton and Malone had was heart and they rode that to the playoffs constantly. If stockton and Malone were half the atheletes that Kobe and Shaq are, they would have a couple of rings to show for it.

I agree that the Lakers have put the best game on the floor for three years, but it isnt because of teamwork.

In these days of free agency, the team who can put the most 1 on 1 players on the court will win. Shaq, best 1 on 1 center in the league. Kobe, best 1 on 1 guard in the league. However as more teams try to keep players long term, the teams will become greater than just the sum of their parts and the Laker type teams will not fair as well.

jumalian · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 7625 City: san diego

What's your definition of teamwork?

Stockton and Malone average??? You just told Wakeboarder.com you lack of NBA knowledge.

Stockton:
Selected in 1996 as one of the "50 Greatest Players in NBA History"
NBA's all-time leader in assists (15,806) and in steals (3,265)
Two-time All-NBA First Team selection (1993-94 and 1994-95), six-time All-NBA Second Team selection (1987-90, 1991-92, 1992-93, and 1995-96), and three-time All-NBA Third Team selection (1990-91, 1996-97, 1998-99).
Five-time NBA All-Defensive Second Team selection (1988-89, 1990-92, 1994-95, 1996-97).
Ten-time NBA All-Star selection who played in nine consecutive games from 1989 to 1997, averaging 7.8 ppg, 8.2 apg and 1.67 spg
Named co-MVP with teammate Karl Malone of the 1993 All-Star Game in Salt Lake City, dishing out 15 assists, with nine points and six rebounds
Holds the league record for most seasons with the same franchise (19; 1984-85 through 2002-03)
Finished the 2002-03 season with 19,711 points
Ranks second on the NBA's all-time list in games played (1,504)
Broke John Havlicek's record of 1,270 games played with one franchise when he suited up for the Jazz vs. Detroit on 11/26/00.
Played in every game in 17 of his 19 seasons.
Missed only four games in his first 13 NBA seasons, all in 1989-90, before missing the first 18 games of the 1997-98 season while recovering from off-season left knee arthroscopic surgery.
Played in 609 consecutive games from 2/13/90 through 4/20/97, the eighth-longest streak in NBA history.
Holds record for most seasons leading league in assists (nine, 1987-88 through 1995-96), most assists in a single season (1,164 in 1990-91), and highest single-season assists-per-game average (14.5 in 1989-90).
Accounted for seven of the nine seasons of 1,000 or more assists in league history (Kevin Porter and Isiah Thomas) and posted the top four single-season assist totals.
Served up the 15,000th assist of his career at Houston on 3/10/02.
Became the all-time NBA steals leader in a 112-98 victory over the Boston Celtics on 2/20/96, breaking Maurice Cheeks' record of 2,310.
Led the NBA in steals in 1988-89 (3.21 spg) and 1991-92 (2.98 spg)
Finished 2002-03 with a career field-goal percentage of .515, the fourth-best percentage by a guard in NBA history behind Lewis Lloyd (.524), Maurice Cheeks (.523) and Magic Johnson (.520).
Participated in the NBA Playoffs in all 19 of his seasons.
Appeared in the 1997 and 1998 NBA Finals against the Chicago Bulls, averaging 12.3 ppg, 8.8 apg, and 2.0 spg, while shooting .495 (55-111) in 12 contests.
Hit the game-winning three-pointer at the buzzer in a 103-100 victory over the Houston Rockets in Game Six of the 1997 Western Conference Finals to propel the Jazz to their first trip to the NBA Finals.
Matched the NBA Playoffs single-game record with 24 assists against the L.A. Lakers in Game Five of the 1988 Western Conference Semifinals
A member of the men's basketball "Dream Team" that won the gold medal at the 1992 Summer Olympics in Barcelona and the 1996 Dream Team that won gold in Atlanta.
During career, named NBA Player of the Week six times and Player of the Month once (February, 1988).

Malone:
Selected in 1996 as one of the "50 Greatest Players in NBA History"
Two-time NBA Most Valuable Player (1996-97, 1998-99), one of only nine players in NBA history to win the Maurice Podoloff Trophy more than once
Eleven-time All-NBA First Team selection (1988-89, 1989-90, 1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93, 1993-94, 1994-95, 1995-96, 1996-97, 1997-98 and 1998-99), two-time All-NBA Second Team selection (1987-88 and 1999-2000), and a 2000-01 All-NBA Third Team selection
Three-time NBA All-Defensive First Team selection (1996-97, 1997-98 and 1998-99) and a 1987-88 NBA All-Defensive Second Team selection
Fourteen-time NBA All-Star selection who played in 12 games (missed 1990 game due to injury and the 2002 game due to family illness), including 10 consecutive contests from 1991 to 2001
Named MVP of the 1989 All-Star Game in Houston after registering 28 points and nine rebounds, and named co-MVP with teammate John Stockton of the 1993 All-Star Game in Salt Lake City after tallying 28 points and 10 rebounds
Ranks second all-time in points scored with 36,374, behind only Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (38,387)
Holds the NBA record most consecutive seasons scoring 2,000 or more points (11, 1987-88 to 1997-98 ) and shares the record with Michael Jordan for most career 2,000 point seasons (11, 1987-88 to 1997-98 )
Tied Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (17) for most consecutive seasons scoring at least 20.0 points per game (17, 1986-87 to 2002-03)
Scored a career-high 61 points, the most by a Jazz player since the franchise moved to Utah, against the Milwaukee Bucks on 1/27/90
Scored a Jazz playoff-record 50 points and grabbed 12 boards against the Seattle SuperSoncics on 4/22/00
Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in free-throws made (seven, 1988-89 to 1992-93, 1996-97, 1997-98 ) and most consecutive seasons leading the league in free-throws made (1988-89 to 1992-93)
Passed Moses Malone (8,531) to become the NBA's all-time leader in free throws made on 3/24/01 vs. the Washington Wizards
Became the all-time leader in free throws attepmted on 12/10/01 against the Mavericks
Ranks second all-time in field-goals made with 13,335 behind only Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (15,837)
Ranks second all-time in minutes played at 53,479, trailing only Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (57,446)
Ranks seventh all-time in rebounds, with 14,601
Appeared in the 1997 and 1998 NBA Finals against the Chicago Bulls
Named to the 1985-86 NBA All-Rookie Team and finished third in Rookie of the Year balloting after averaging 14.9 ppg and 8.9 rpg
A member of the men's basketball "Dream Team" that won the gold medal at the 1992 Summer Olympics in Barcelona and the 1996 Dream Team that won gold in Atlanta
Winner of the 1997-98 IBM Award
During career, named NBA Player of the Week 22 times and NBA Player of the Month seven times
Notched his third career triple-double with game-highs of 29 points (11-13 FG) and 12 rebounds, and 10 assists, in a 99-82 win over the L.A. Clippers on 5/4/99; recorded his second career triple-double with 32 points, 13 rebounds and 10 assists against the Toronto Raptors on 2/27/97
Twelve-time NBA All-Interview First Team selection and 1999-2000 All-Interview Second Team selection

BW · Addict Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 602

If you take Kobe and Shaq and put them on any team in the NBA i think you can almost garuntee making the playoffs. Now take any team in the nba, leave them with only their star players and then add in the lakers supporting cast and i doubt they'd do so well. The Lakers success is based on Kobe and Shaq regardless of who is playing around them. The Lakers have superstars in two spots at center and guard, where as most teams only have 1. The spurs have Duncan and Robinson but they both play down low so it is easier to stop. You can see how long it took for them to be able to create a system where the 2 guys in the post cannot be stopped.

jason_ssr · Posted: May 16, 2003 11:01 am Post subject:

Joe, re-read. I didnt say average players, I said average atheletes. Stockton was not the biggest, strongest, fastest, or a leaper. Malone was not either, though a legit argument can be made for strongest, there were other who were right there. Stockton and Malone are a legendary duo. But they did it with heart and brains, not athletic ability.

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

OK hold the phone... I dislike the Lakers as much as the next guy but I'm not going to make things up about them or talk trash on what they have done as a team. REMEMBER I'm FROM SACRAMENTO...

It was proven this season that the Lakers needed teamwork from the supporting cast in order to win titles. Shaq and Kobe were constants in the past 4 seasons. Production from Fox (injured), Horry (2 for 40 in this series), George (sprained ankle), and Fisher is critical to the Lakers winning titles. The supporting Cast virtually disappeared this year. Horry had a horrible shooting slump in the playoffs. Last year he was the man with the stroke that devestated my team. No Haters here. I respect what the team has done but they need to make some trades for a more athletic supporting cast.

My boys pulled it of last night. Lets see if they can take it in Dallas.