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brian_216
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PostPosted: Jul 05, 2006 7:44 pm    Post subject: Newb question- toeside W2W Reply with quote

I tried to search and could not find much detail. Im getting better at going W2W heelside (I just have to remember to hold on to the rope once im up there) What is so different about jumping toeside? I just cant seem to get the board to edge hard enough going in, also having trouble keeping 2 hands on the rope coming in to the wake. maybe its some weird mental thing like riding switch, any suggestions?
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PostPosted: Jul 05, 2006 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's more difficult because it's an unnatural position for your body to be twisted like that. Remember to keep the rope in at your hips when you takeoff just like hs jumps. Start with small jumps then work on w2w, get your technique down so you're popping off the wake properly, then start taking a wider and wider approach until you're going w2w. Another thing that helps I find to practice getting your timing is do inside out ts jumps. Start in the middle and cut out and jump off the wake to the outside, it'll give you the proper feeling of popping.
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PostPosted: Jul 05, 2006 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When edge out before you make your HS run do you kinda mosey on out or do you edge out pretty hard? You can use that time also to get more comfortable with your toeside edge.
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PostPosted: Jul 06, 2006 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

burntorange77 wrote:
When edge out before you make your HS run do you kinda mosey on out or do you edge out pretty hard? You can use that time also to get more comfortable with your toeside edge.


I used to charge out with the slalom skier cut, but started to try edging out more gracefully. I tried it again tonight, its weird I hit it at a 45 degree angle and have no speed. Guess I need to grow a set and try harder. just feels really weird. I did finally land a stalefish W2W in the flats, it felt good. How many years riding does it take most to be able to do inverts? some people make it look so easy. I have been riding for 2 months now- am I making good progress?
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PostPosted: Jul 06, 2006 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How many years riding does it take most to be able to do inverts?


I hate these questions Laughing What's a year riding? I took maybe 15 sets last year of like 15 mins on average. So a year of riding for me is about 4 hours. Laughing All you can do is do your best, don't worry about how fast other people learn stuff.
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PostPosted: Jul 06, 2006 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just hold ur edge, pop by standing tall, pulling the handle in and down, and "pushing" off the top of the wake.. the "pushing" off will help you progress to Scarecrows, front rolls, and TS backrolls.
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PostPosted: Jul 07, 2006 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With toeside, you REALLY have to lean into it alot. I get alot more drag when I cut in toeside, so I have to lean in/cut that much harder.
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PostPosted: Jul 08, 2006 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

when i do toe side, i really sucked at first, so much i almost ignored it, within the last month ive been really pushin the toe side hard, i need to lean twice as hard as i do heel side, and i have the same issue as you, with 2 hands on the handle i cant jump at all, infact i just nose dive into the water. when i cut in hard with 1 hand i can rip it decent, but no where near as good as my heel side
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PostPosted: Jul 09, 2006 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ontrider wrote:
Another thing that helps I find to practice getting your timing is do inside out ts jumps. Start in the middle and cut out and jump off the wake to the outside, it'll give you the proper feeling of popping.


I'll second that. Last week I really started working on my TS W2W. Yesterday I landed my first TS W2W in the morning, by the end of the day I was landing wake to wake consistently and my jumps felt really clean. Here's what I did to progess to landing TS W2W:

1. Practice one wake TS jumps.
2. Practice inside-out TS jumps (this step is VERY important. You have to learn how to land on your toes and leaning against the rope if you want to go TS W2W...this is the easiest and best way to do it).
3. Charge the wake harder TS
4. PROGRESSIVE EDGE. Once you can land on your toes you'll feel much more comfortable with your one-wake jumps and landings. Once I started to get a feel for a TS progressive edge it was only a few more jumps before I went W2W.

All the same principles for HS W2W (specifically progressive edge, stand tall) apply for TS, but technique is even more important on TS.

Summary - - Use a progressive edge (slightly bent knees), stand tall at the trough of the wake, line tension should be most at the top of the wake.

Good Luck.
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