tips for getting higher

lukep90 · Outlaw Joined: 10 Apr 2006 Posts: 124

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snowmonkey · Outlaw Joined: 30 Jan 2006 Posts: 103

edge in hard and keep your legs stiff, but not locked, what ever you do don't lock your knees

BoarderX · Posted: Apr 20, 2006 8:14 am Post subject:

yea edge hard, but more important is it being progressive.. start off in slow just letting the boat pull you in naturally.. by the time your coming up to the wake the rope tension should be the highest.. stand up as you get in the trough and keep your legs stiff and the handle in close down at your waste.. when you get the pop pull the handle in and push down on it. fly high playa..

lukep90 · Outlaw Joined: 10 Apr 2006 Posts: 124

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money_mike · Criminal Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 67 City: phoenix

BoarderX · Posted: Apr 20, 2006 6:03 pm Post subject:

maybe by locked knees they just meant locked in place.. not necessarily locked straight? As long as they're stiff they wont absorb the pop, but if your knees flex when you hit the wake or you bend at the waste hard you most definately will lose most of your pop.. Beyond that its just your style points...

I think when people say "stand as tall as you can" they're saying it pretty generally, just trying to give the right idea to the person learning.. once a beginner starts trying to "stand tall" and they figure out how to get a feel for the pop, at that point you start doing it over and over again and figure out whats best for you. Don't take it *too* literally... but if you think *stand tall* in your learning state, im sure itll help you figure out the mechanics. Once you really know the mechanics to pop you can do it in just about any posture you want to...

money_mike · Criminal Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 67 City: phoenix

maybe thats why ive been having so much trouble locking my knees and keeping my edge because ive been trying to lock them straight, hmm it doesnt seem like i can lock them without making them perfectly straight but ill try to figure it out

BoarderX · Posted: Apr 21, 2006 10:08 am Post subject:

*shrug*

Maybe so... Another important thing is look where your going.. If your up in the air and your looking at the boat, naturally its going to make your body position and momentum be sorta going towards the boat as you land. You'll be landing flat and squirly.. If you land looking the direction your body is going, towards the other shoreline or whatever, it should help you to learn to land in control and in your edge. If you land flat and you lose rope tension your pretty screwed.. as long as you land in your edge and keep the rope tight, your golden. 90% of the time I watch people wrecking on w2w jumps, I bet the last thing they saw was the boat... You shouldnt even worry about the boat until your in control and edging out away from that bad ass w2w you just nailed.

Liquidmx · Addict Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 755 City: San Jose

Money Mike... When you are coming into the wake it should feel similar to squating around 200lbs. If you get this feeling all the way through the wake, you should be good.

money_mike · Criminal Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 67 City: phoenix

yea that is exactly the feeling i get i think i just need to time it so i get the full extension of the squat feeling at the top of the wake. Like completing the squat towards the top correct?

pbfoot · Criminal Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 67 City: Grand Rapids

ya dude just load the line by setting a steady progressive edge. getting height is all about technique. pull the handle down to your hips as you build your edge and when you feel the pop from the wake straighten your legs and you'll soar.

think of it this way...if you're jumping on a trampoline with someone and u want to get shot up in the air you have to have the right timing and you have to straighten your legs so that you can harness the energy and fly up into the air...if you don't want to catch the load you bend your knees and you don't get any air. so think of your progressive edge as building the tension of the trampoline and then you have to wait for the timing of the wake and straighten your legs to get the pop.

here's a wipeout of mine http://www2.gvsu.edu/~vereshmj/r2rfall.mpg
its a good example of a progressive edge and absorbing the wake without having a really hard cut.

good luck Smile

DaBigKahuna · Criminal Joined: 20 May 2003 Posts: 60 City: Honolulu

pbFoot - one of the best analogies I've heard. Cool

Thomas P. · Addict Joined: 16 Feb 2003 Posts: 717

if you lock your knees at any time, you will soon be very sorry that you did.

keep your body ridgid when riding up the wake to accomplish 2 things:

a. use the energy of the wake rather than absorb it.

b. keeping line tension rather than giving it back to the boat.

howabouttheiris · Addict Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 677 City: Austin, TX

Another good example is to look at the opposite..... aka mogal skiing.

The legs are allowed to piston up and down without resistance, they hit mounds 2x the size of the wake in the video above and do not move their shoulders more that 6 inches.

marcuskg · Posted: Apr 26, 2006 8:00 am Post subject:

Have you tried riding a board with 3-stage instead of continous rocker? That will definatley increase vertical pop. Just a thought.

howabouttheiris · Addict Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 677 City: Austin, TX

I piped in on this topic last year supporting the straight leg approach for learning the progressive edge.

I see a lot of folks doing really weird moves right at the wake trying to increase the height, but it is very easy to go W2W with your legs locked straight, no 3stage rocker, no fatsacs, no tower, and a good progressive edge. As well it will simplify the last second as you hit the wake and let you pick out the contribution of the progressive edge.

Start at the outside standing upright, lock your legs, lean back as you edge in to the wake, getting your butt/shoulders closer and closer to the water as you approach. (thus progressive)

You will feel the pressure increase on your body as your shoulders get closer to the water. If you are not on a good edge you will slide out.... BUT if you are on a good edge you should be able (in 5 feet or so) generate so much pressure that when you release it at the wake it will easily catapult you across.

Only do it a couple times stiff legged though, as you are probably not doing good things to your knees.

goulet · Newbie Joined: 27 Apr 2006 Posts: 11 City: Lakefield

Okay...so everyone is saying locked legs....
Arnt you supposed to jump off the wake kinda???

snowmonkey · Outlaw Joined: 30 Jan 2006 Posts: 103

dont jump off the wake imo it look super sketch

howabouttheiris · Addict Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 677 City: Austin, TX

What you should do is straighten your legs (stand tall) as you reach the wake.... do not lock you legs.

You do not need to jump at the wake.... just keep your legs from absorbing the wake.

key_daddy · Criminal Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 51

Do you start to stand tall at the bottom of the wake to when the tip of your board reaches the top of the wake?

Beeman · Newbie Joined: 29 Apr 2006 Posts: 46 City: Hot Springs