scarecrow help????vid included

benji · Posted: Sep 17, 2005 3:19 am Post subject: scarecrow help????vid included

dudes(and dudettes) i have a massive hangup on the fact that my scarecrow goes whipped out and way out behind me as you will see on the vid.

I used to be able to do frontrolls pretty consistantly but now every time that i go for this move (ts f/roll) it turns into "the ugliest scarecrow of all time"

Any advice from you guys would be greatly appreciated.

http://www.wakepics.com/img/17102

Benny...from oz.

bhamglassman · Soul Rider Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 338 City: Bellingham

do the 180 on the way down, not on the way up. i think that's what the problem is...

LFADAM · Posted: Sep 18, 2005 7:51 am Post subject:

Looks fine to me

kuehn · Outlaw Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 186 City: London. UK

Hello, i would say easily rectified. your approach is pretty so so makin the trick not the best looking. Well i dont like to be mean but when you get it right the style will flow. for one you have nailed it so thats the hard part out of the way!
Change your approach by making sure your butt is in and not sticking out. This will change where the energy of the trick is coming from. it is important on the scarecrow to have your hips up!. secondly on your way in have your shoulders a bit more open to the boat and not so closed away. (i hope i make that clear being a slalom ski term!) lastly back off your edge at the wake this will pop the board up and over and not so much behind you. (watch the spray line in the clip, its constant all the way up the wake).
Hope im not being too technical. Cool

Dude did u leave your board shorts at home? Laughing

good luck and i hope you get it sorted

benji · Posted: Sep 18, 2005 3:07 pm Post subject:

kuehn · Outlaw Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 186 City: London. UK

Youll get that sorted in no time would like to see a clip when your sorted, good luck and dont forget the big badass shorts! Cool

natxbrotha · Criminal Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Posts: 68

if you notice in your video benji, you are actually turning your head to look over your shoulder like you would do for a 360. this is making your scarecrow look like a weird off axis spin almost, but not really. look down to initiate the flip and everything should be back to normal in no time.

Thomas P. · Addict Joined: 16 Feb 2003 Posts: 717

as mentioned above, you are opening up off the wake, which causes the board to travel around the back. try edging thru the wake first, popping up then throwing yourself down like the frontroll first, then tighten the rope to your left hip to complete the crow.

J_DOGG · Posted: Sep 19, 2005 11:12 am Post subject:

I think you just need to look down off the wake more....and front flip it!

I'm going through the same phase now, I went from a perfect over the top flip to possible crow mobe into a laid out why can't I do this simple trick anymore.

All my boys tell me I'm not front rolling it anymore they are usually 100% right!
A good indicator would be the smack I took to the head Sunday with the handle, no way it should be that close to my face when doing a crow.

We all regress to progress at some point.

kuehn · Outlaw Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 186 City: London. UK

J dogg, surely in your case its pushing the handle down and not lifting it up off the wake?

Amy · Criminal Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 92 City: State College

kuehn,
I finally landed my crow 4 times last weekend. Then went out the next day and I was 0 for about 50. I gave up. When I land the crow I am usually in the back seat and cannot pull myself over the board to land and ride away. Each one I do, I think I'm going to land, but cannot dial in the last part. What do you think the problem is? I am punishing my knees every time I land. Crying or Very sad

Thanks,
AMy

J_DOGG · Posted: Sep 21, 2005 3:49 am Post subject:

kuehn, correct the first thing I have been doing lately is letting the handle way out right off the wake...... not like me at all.....

Funny thing is once I dial a trick in and can spot the landing super easy I start to think I can cheat the trick. Clearly not working for me. LOL....

I'll make it a point to focus on pushing the handle down off the wake next time out.
That should help me front roll it more.

Amy, you could be leaving a bit early, not giving your self enough height to get your feet back under you. I'm having handle issues now and that might also be the case for you as well.

wtbamoomba · Addict Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 808 City: raleigh

that looks alot more like an off axis 3 than a scarecrow, do what everyone else said and push the handle down to make it a front "flip", then throw in the 180 either at your peak or on the way down, whatever is more comfortable for you

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

J_DOGG, I think I have the same problem. When I first started throwing them it was a straight frontroll with a late 180. Now I think I've gotten sloppy and am throwing it out to the side.

Same thing happened with my backroll. I used to have a perfect clean rotation backroll and now I've got some mexican in it. It's just so much easier to flip if you tuck your head. Crow mobes are fun on the tramp. I haven't attempted one on the water.

J_DOGG · Posted: Sep 21, 2005 7:23 am Post subject:

Wakebrad I hear ya Bro it's like a golf swing some times......

kuehn · Outlaw Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 186 City: London. UK

We hear lots about the 180 in the crow. when to do it, late? early? ect ect. Have the tension and the approach correct and it happens for you. No tension equals a poor 180.

Phil · Addict Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Posts: 636 City: Chattanooga

Who the hell wears board shorts and a full wetsuit. You look even more retarded when you do that.
Anyways. COme in slower and pop more straight up and keep the handle lower...Either way it doesnt really look that bad.

Celtic Boarder · Outlaw Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 103 City: Cavan

"Who the hell wears board shorts and a full wetsuit. You look even more retarded when you do that"

Now that's the best advice you'll find in this thread.

marcuskg · Posted: Sep 22, 2005 5:57 am Post subject:

wel....for all the people who ride in the sea where its cold and you dont wana feel naked, you wear a full wetsuit and boardshorts.

WakeBoaRrder180 · Outlaw Joined: 11 Apr 2004 Posts: 158

lol that flip looks pretty sweet to me..id be happy to do any inverts consistently no matter how sloppy they looked

Celtic Boarder · Outlaw Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 103 City: Cavan

"dont wana feel naked"

Don't get ya. Dr. Phil hit the nail on the head "You look even more retarded " Laughing

kuehn · Outlaw Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 186 City: London. UK

AMY
sorry didnt see your message. Well done for nailing your crow. I remember when i landed my first and i was punishing my knees too. The smallest of things it can be but when i go over the footage from first learning to now just seems to be confidence and aggression at the wake which i lacked when i first nailed them. Being strong pops you up without much effort. Sometimes something as simple as have your head up on the approach can make all the difference. The power and energy should be generated through you hips all the way up the wake. head down equals shoulders down equals poor pop. dont know how shapiro gets away with it!!!

Would be great to see a clip too. An important thing to do is after lets say 5 failed attempts make sure you take a break as the weaker you get the worse and more frustrated you become. Good luck with getting them consistant. Cool

pointlessrider_01 · Newbie Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Posts: 7

just slow it down a little and tuck a little more and i think you will pull it pretty clean. peace

wake_quake · Posted: Sep 26, 2005 12:04 am Post subject:

wow that looks weird. i cant really help cause it just looks so weird

Amy · Criminal Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 92 City: State College

kuehn,
Thanks for your help! I will film the next time I go, should be Thursday....I am very aggressive, when I cut in for my crow. I cut out wide, and really concentrate on leaning away from the boat. Do you think I could be too aggressive? Is there such a thing?? Then I really look over my right shoulder, (I'm goofy), and think up and away. I pull the rope in to my left hip, and from there think about riding away switch. More times than not, I'm wickedly in that back seat..... ugh. So frustrating, especially when ya land some.....
I will post a vid. for you later this week,
Amy
Is it cold now in the UK?

kuehn · Outlaw Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 186 City: London. UK

Yer its getting cold amy which is really sad. oh well i still winter ski though. Im goofy too. And yer you can cut aggressive as long as its progressive and you have enough time to stand upright as you get to the wake. This will send you straight up and not so much up and back. If your coming up short on the 180 then as you come around LOOK for the BOAT that way you will keep your head up and you will be able to visually adjust the landing and not feel like your banging your head against a brick wall not knowing whats going wrong. for example you will see how far your handle is away from you for example. The only other thing would be your not dropping your shoulder into the wake as you get inverted enough to initiate the full 180.

Butt checking is the most common problem of all and not much fun Puppy Eyes

Its so difficult to tell without a clip. So many different senarios.

Cant wait to see the vid Laughing

lakeislife · Newbie Joined: 24 Mar 2006 Posts: 47 City: Broken bow

my problem with the crow is when I hit the wake I stay leaned back and end up racking myself on the side of the wake.

I dont have anything to say about cheeking!

BoarderX · Posted: Apr 19, 2006 1:24 pm Post subject:

The trick shouldnt even hardly start till your at the peak of your jump... it sounds like you wont have any time to pull it off if you wait till then, but that will give you the ability to pull that handle and start your rotation because the rope should be fully loaded.. Just wait and try it. you'll be surprised... wait wait wait.