Cableboarding not wakeboarding?

[LFADAM]

I saw a poll today on ww.com and it reminded me on my thoughts on the topic but they were saying something a little different than what I think...wakeboarding was named because you are pulled behind the boat and you use the WAKE to do tricks. Cable riders dont use a wake, they use the CABLE systems tension to do tricks. I know Ill probably get flamed for this but I think that it should be called Cableboarding or waterboarding or something. Anyone else agree? It just seems unfair that cable and boat are so different so when someone lands a double s bend to blind on cable, people start saying someone landed a double sbend to blind wakeboarding when that trick would be 9 times harder behind the boat, which is really WAKEboarding.

[kyle]

LFADAM, the reason it is still wakeboarding is because you are riding a WAKEboard. Does that mean when you are wakeboarding behind a boat and hit a slider, you are now SLIDERboarding..NO!! People that ride cable no the difference between doing a double s behind the cable and behind the boat. Only a few people can even do Double S to blinds on the cable and I would compare the dificulty of that trick to that of a ts/hs 9 on the wake. The next point is that these "cable" riders you speak of also KILL it behind the boat. When you take a cable kid and put him behind a boat, wonders happen. Take a look at Jimmy Lariche and Adam Errington killing Jr. Mens right now, or Keith Lidberg riding super strong on the pro tour (only to name a few, i could go on for pages). These are all cable riders that have transitioned to boat and are destroying it. You give Rob Mapp (one of the only guys doing double s to blinds) a boat wake and i bet by the end of the day he would stick one. Check out this website for some cable riding and some cable riders riding boat, you will be pleasantly suprised:
www.trufei.com
Not to mention, the most impressive thing with the cable riders is that when they do get behind a boat, there is no such thing as switch and regular. They kill it either way. Thats one joke that goes around the cable that if you hit a trick switch but you can't do it regular, than it doesn't count as doing it switch.

[kyle]

Oh yeah: Mark Kenney--Cable Rider

[jpminter]

speaking of s-bend to blind... anyone have a video of one?

[kyle]

jpminter, www.trufei.com

The more I think about this post, the more angry i seem to get, especially with someone already saying it should be called something else on the polls. What I don't understand is that this is coming from you LFADAM who I have seen videos of and they have had some pretty decent riding. You of all people being an advanced wakeboarder should know that wakeboarding behind a cable, hitting kickers and sliders, and trying flats tricks (don't know if you have), is still very dificult and requires talent as a WAKEBOARDER.
It is mind blowing to see some of the talent the cables have produced, and in my personal case, the cables have definately increased my abilities ten fold as a wakeboarder. Not only have they built up my rail abilities, but when i take tricks to the wake from the cable, i can land them much easier. My first mobe was a pete rose, and without the cable, that sure as hell would not have been possible, and i contribute that trick to cable riding 100%. I have learned every glide possible behind the cable, and have also been able to take them behind the boat and land them within one or two tries. Riding the cable also gives people a chance to wakeboard that never would get the chance and it allows for more recognition within our sport. If someone says that cable riding should be called something else, than they simply haven't done it, and if they have done, sucked so badly at it that they figured it was the cables fault and their must be some extremely different technique than used on the boat. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN TECHNIQUE, and it is cable riders who you will see have the best edging technique and the best ability to wait for their pop, alongside being able to ride switch.
I am writing this as a boat rider who went to college and didn't have a boat to ride behind so i took up the cable, and then when i was able to go home, ride the boat again, and without the cable, I would not be able to do half the stuff i can do today

Here is a clip of me when i was learning petes at rixen, the only way i was able to learn the trick was being able to try it 1000x and I don't think i landed it until about a month after this video:
http://photos.wakeboarder.com/showphoto.php?photo=3549&cat=500&ppuser=112

http://photos.wakeboarder.com/showphoto.php?photo=3550&cat=500&ppuser=112

[atolman]

That would mean we'd have to use a bunch of different names for the sport.

example: wakeskating should be called waterskating when done on the cable/ jetski...or winchskating.

[LFADAM]

Ok I see where you guys are coming from with riding a WAKEboard on cable and winchskating/wakeskating, and I should mention that I have a lot of respect for cable riders...I tried cable once at Rixen and I dont see how you can launch in the turns 10 ft+, its incredible. I just think its different than boat riding...not better or worse, just different. I guess it could go both ways, I mean it is different but at the same time nobody wants to call it sliderboarding or waterboarding or winchskating, but at the same time...you could argue that Kiteboarders ride a board VERY similiar to a wakeboard, some even learn riding a wakeboard. I just wanted to see peoples thoughts on the matter. I didnt mean to cause a big uprising although I kind of expected it. I apoligize If I offended cable riders, you guys kill it and cable is a great way to learn wakeboarding and also great if you cant afford a boat.

[Craig-R]

damn LFADAM you really hit a chord with kyle, ...
i agree with kyle though in that the name should stay the same because they are similar in so many ways just as wakeskating and riders sliders have the name wake in them despite not always using a boat wake.
btw that first pete rose attempt was sick

[jpminter]

kyle, wow! Some of the vids on that site are sick. Jimmy La Riche rips! I only checked out the first few though.

[nfn]

In other board sports they don't change the name. For example skateboarding is skateboarding whether you are riding vert or street. People don't call it vertboarding or streetboarding. Personally, I think it should just be called cable wakeboarding, how it already is.

[kyle]

jpminter, yeah i highly suggest everyone check out that site, some really great riding...once again WWW.TRUFEI.COM

[jpminter]

I just watched a guy do a double s-bend to blind or a s-bend 900 if you want to think of it that way. There are a lot of good vids on that website.

[Dragonlady8]

Keith Lidberg is awesome on the cables and look how well he did this past weekend in MN.
BTW Philip Soven spent alot of time on the cables as well.

kyle, I'd read your post if you had a few more paragraphs...... you shouldn't post when you're
angry

[kyle]

[Craig-R]

[Dragonlady8]

Craig-R, So is Keith, Dallas, Adam, Kyle.........

[Craig-R]

[LFADAM]

kyle, haha sorry man! Didnt mean to ruin your day, just getting some feeback on a topic of discussion. Man, I would have felt sooooo bad if you blew your knee today because you were mad. Man I could never wake/water/cable/sliderboard (jk) ever again! Hope there arent any lingering bad feelings...

[RC4]

I don't understand why this discussion would make anyone angry. Personally, I think LFADAM has a great point. There is no wake in "cable wakeboarding." Does that make it less of a sport? Absolutely not.

As for the argument that Skateboarding is the same name no matter what the surface, thats because all the boards are based on "skates." Take a look at Snowboarding, its all on snow no matter if its downhill or halfpipe. I think the point is that whoever came up with the original term for wakeboarding should have given it some more thought first. hahah!

Also, the argument that its all wakeboarding because you use a wakeboard is flawed. There are now "wakeboards" that are based on the "snowboard" shape. So, theoretically, some people are using snowboards on the water, but that doesn't mean they are snowboarding.

Anyway, waterboarding would be a much more accurate term, although it just sounds stupid to me. I guess we will have to live with the term wakeboarding, since it has already been established. I don't think we should have a different name for everything (like cableboarding, sliderboarding, wakeboarding, etc.). I think we should change the name wakeboarding to something more accurate so it can be used no matter if you are behind a boat or attached to a cable. Anyway, if you are offended by this, then you get offended way too easily in my opinion.

[jpminter]

Watching these cable videos really makes you realize the importance of loading the line and line tension. Thanks LFADAM! You made my day at least.

[jpminter]

RC4, I just noticed your location. Where do you ride? I am from Central VA too.

[kyle]

RC4, you don't even want me to comment on your post, I am taking deep breaths right now to refrain from all of the bad thoughts that are about to come out of my fingers