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C4Avalanchen
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 Posted: Nov 29, 2005 2:52 pm Post subject: 06' MC X1 $39,000??? |
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I was in my local dealership (Cope & Mcpheters) checking out the 06's when I came across this boat.
2006 MC X1
White & red
Triple ballast
310hp RTP-1
Teak platform
Dual axle trailer (kind of cheap looking)
Stereo w/4 speakers inside
Zero-flex tower (No board racks)
Thats it, no PP, no racks, no mirror, or any bling for that matter. The only optionial items were the cheap looking trailer and the stereo.
List price was $51,999!!! RIDICULOUS!!! I thought this was a $39,000 ENTRY LEVEL boat, what's going on here! |
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Brit Rider
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Unless they are going to tackle the "entry level price point boat" idea seriously they are wasting their time.
They should have just stayed producing it as what it was.. for the bling bits you lose from the 2005 X2 to the 2006 X1 it seems totally un worth it!
Problem with MC is their profiteering, from their point of view its great.. from the consumers view it sucks!
basically they can only make so many boats in the amount of production slots they have. so their thinking is if they can make a $50k boat and it will sell then whats the point in making a saleable $20k boat? no financial sense...
The X1 needs PP, Tower, ballast, racks and a trailer... and before you know it... you're at 50k... 2005 X2 Money minus a few bling bits...
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actually the X-1 comes with pp. but it's not pp it's the mastercraft cruise thing. it's not quite as accurate, but it does basically the same thing.
the point of the X-1 is to reach the people who are just looling to get started in a family boat. which is why it's so empty. yeah, some things are a given to add, like board racks, and a front balast bag. others are more personal, which is why they left those out.
but honestly, if your looking for a boat but have the price scare you, then maybe a mastercraft isn't for you. They aren't targeting to the hardcore riders. moreso towards families. |
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| Posted: Nov 30, 2005 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| The X-1 310hp doesn't comes standard with PP. The 350 does. |
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Brit Rider
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midwest wake, As you said.. it does not come with perfect pass.
I think who its aimed at is not what is relevant here.. its the point that it was billed as MC's budget boat and its not. once you add the necessary option for the euopean market such as a CE package and euro Trailer its a $75k boat to us Brits.
I can buy a Super air Team for that... and enjoy a bigger boat with more options, a 330 hp engine as standard, PP as standard, tower, racks and everything else i desire - and get this - I can even take my family out on it. 
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oshensurfer
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| snowboardcorey wrote: | | For 06' all of the MC engines come with MC cruise even the 310. |
That's what I was told at the dealer as well.
I also think the X1 pricing is completely misleading. Once you add the basics of what every single boat owner wants, you are right back at the 50k mark.
Seems to me that MC thinks they have a market in the stupid boat buyer category.  |
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Bambamski
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| Posted: Nov 30, 2005 10:56 am Post subject: |
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It shouldn't be a shock to anyone that a decently equipped X-1 is in the 50 range. Malibu did the exact same thing with the V-ride. A 39k v-ride came with nothing. Add what you need to wakeboard with it and it's in the mid to high 40's.
With the V-ride they toned down some of the interior, dash and gelcoat patterns. I haven't seen an X-1 in person. Did they tone it down from the 05 X-2? I saw an add the other day from the dealer that I bought my boat from last year. 55k cdn for a loaded 2005 x-2. What's that, around 47k u.s.? Seems like a pretty good deal. I think you could probably get it for less than that as well.
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| Posted: Nov 30, 2005 11:13 am Post subject: |
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If I was in the market, I would buy an X-1 with only the stock equipment.
We only ride 5 months of the year, and I have a life other than boating, and besides, I would rather add in stuff myself, making it more custom and not having to stretch the cost of 1000 dollar PP out over the life of the loan with interest.
I'm probably in the minority, though.
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C4Avalanchen
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I don't know if SOME of you guys understood what I was posting, but that X1 with the options I stated is a $41 to $42k boat, max! If you look in all the magazine ads, you get a single axle trailer and no stereo for $40k. A dual axle trailer and stereo shouldn't inflate the price to $52k! What's funny is, that was their "sale" price, the MSRP was $58k! I live here in Nevada, and I was wondering if my dealer inflated the price or what. Have any of you guys seen a $40k X1? I wasn't really blaming Mastercraft as much as I was my dealer. Also, a 20 foot 90 inch beam world class wake boat is not a family boat! Unless your kids are named Parks and Shane. And a little advice to you Midwest Wake, lots of the guys on here have paid well over $50k for our boats, including me. So i'd go easy on the "SCARED OF PRICE" and "MASTERCRAFT IS NOT FOR YOU" statements! You are after all only 17 and probably not a boat buyer.
Brit Rider and oshensurfer, nevermind this comment. I agree with both of you. |
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$40k. A dual axle trailer and stereo shouldn't inflate the price to $52k!
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That must be SOME trailer. Is it self-propelled?
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C4Avalanchen
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| Posted: Nov 30, 2005 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, it pushes your tow vehicle on uphill climbs! HaHa! I'm hoping the stereo has 6 trillion watts too!! |
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That's Cope & Mcpheters for ya!!!
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| Posted: Nov 30, 2005 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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Ultimate did the same thing with the Vride. Since there are only so many boats that a manufacturer can make a year, each dealer gets so many. Since they are in demand, the dealer raises the price knowing that they are only getting 10 or so for the year (If that many). It's a good idea by the boat companies that is getting bastardized by the dealers.
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| Posted: Nov 30, 2005 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| J-Ro wrote: | | Ultimate did the same thing with the Vride. Since there are only so many boats that a manufacturer can make a year, each dealer gets so many. Since they are in demand, the dealer raises the price knowing that they are only getting 10 or so for the year (If that many). It's a good idea by the boat companies that is getting bastardized by the dealers. |
That make sense J-Ro. To top it off you can't buy a boat out of your area as well. If they know they can sell the boat for that price why not ask that much. |
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C4Avalanchen, They are just trying to fool someone into over paying. You are right that isn't but a 42k boat OTD. It is no big loss for them to have to sell that boat at the end of the year for 40k, but they are hoping someone will walk in there that doesn't know a thing about MC and take it off their hands for 50k. It is a win win situation for them.
As for the whole $39,999 I wouldn't get to excited about it that is just marketing for you. The car industry has been doing it for years. |
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| Posted: Nov 30, 2005 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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God....I LOVE IT.... Keep jacking the prices of boats every year. Makes me feel soooo good about the boat I have. This keeps up, I will sell it for more than I paid....  |
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I know I feel kinda stupid buying a big new boat with all the options.  But seriously it will hit a plateau at some point when the "fad" people in wakeboarding go away. Although it would be nice for the market to continue to appreciate. 
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| Posted: Nov 30, 2005 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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i was looking on the MC website and saw this
TOW BAR HEIGHT TO WATERLINE
29'
what does that mean? |
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As for the whole $39,999 I wouldn't get to excited about it that is just marketing for you. The car industry has been doing it for years.
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That simply is not accurate. First off the car industry is not very comparable to the boat industry.
But if one were to compare, cars almost always sell for less than what the advertised price is (MSRP) and if you buy one for more or at MSRP you better be buying an Enzo. Now if you want to compare boat buying to an ENZO, ok. I say this because a wake boat is a LUXURY item, not a staple or necessity. Generally speaking, the higher end, the less bargining power because 1) its a luxury item, people pay more and 2) the are less made so the supply is short..
That said, I still dispise the misrepresentation and the price "fixing" the wake boat industry is getting away with.
The "let me get you in the door with this fancy ad for a $40k MC and upsell another $10k in accessories" that any normal wakeboat owner would want is just plain retarded. It's even more retarded to say you have a price point boat, when really it's just an incomplete wake boat.
I also don't think Malibu does it quite as bad with the V-ride as MC on the X1. The V-ride has a bunch of options any shmo would want.....like.....Carpet and has a much nicer fit and finish than the X1. The X1 just looks cheap. The V-ride is pretty slick, IMO.
I too, think and hope that once the fad passes, boat pricing will normalize. |
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| the msrp and the nationally advertised price are diffrent, there is like a 7k diffrence and the dealers can ask whatever they like for the boats |
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| ill be glad to share pics with anyone too, my boat is the one on the mc website |
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| Posted: Nov 30, 2005 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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As for the whole $39,999 I wouldn't get to excited about it that is just marketing for you. The car industry has been doing it for years.
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"That simply is not accurate. First off the car industry is not very comparable to the boat industry."
oshensurfer, I believe you have misunderstood what I have said. I'm refering to Cope & Mcpheters not MC. I have no dout you can pick up an x-1 for a little over 39k. However, the way it looks from my view they want someone who isn't very familar with this boat line to come in there and end up paying their asking price. Either that or they have provided themselves with one hell of a cusion.
"That simply is not accurate"
Hahah I'm going to laugh all night about that line. However it is quite true. You can go to www.chevrolet.com and see a current example of it. Look under silverado trucks. "Starts at $19,065" oh but what is that below it? "Price as shown $46,615" good god! Same with the x-1 though, starts at $39,999, and of course you can pay more if you wish. The car industry has been doing that for years. They put there rock bottom out there, and it looks like the same tactics are coimg into the boat industry. Hey If you want to spend 40k on a wakeboat with nothing wake about it be my guest. |
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I am curious what the price differences are straight from the dealer for different areas of the country. Take boats similarly equiped and compare what dealers are getting away with in different parts of the country. I know some people are weird about telling what they paid for something or telling how much they make but I don't give a crap. I just bought a 2006 Sunsport 24V with everything but the Gravity Games edition and paid $53K + TTL I thought that was a pretty good damn deal considering what most new boats with the same options go for. IMO MC & CC are overpriced for sure.
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The x-1 would be on my short list if I was buying a new boat right now. I do not need all the extras. The x-1 has the same interior, tower, construction, base engine, and of course hull as the 2005 x-2. With standard MC cruise, one bag ballast, and basic trailer the only extras I would look at are rear ballast, wakeboard racks, and stereo. Not sure what MC charges for these options but $2k in the aftermarket world and a couple weekend projects would more than cover this for me.
I guess I may be able to get a great deal on an x-1 at the end of the year when my dealer has 6 remaining since no one else is interested. |
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If someone were to buy an X1 for the $52k, would they not take a serious hit in resale as the boat would be perceived as being $39k due to MC's ubiquitous advertising campaign?
I know I wouldn't want to pay over the $39k advertised price for a 1y.o. X1 in 07. irrespective of the options.
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God I am glad my boat is paid 4.
I saw the new MC's at our local shop. Nice, but good lord man! I can get a sick 2005 boat, and a new truck for a new one of theirs. |
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only extras I would look at are rear ballast, wakeboard racks, and stereo. Not sure what MC charges for these options but $2k in the aftermarket world and a couple weekend projects would more than cover this for me.
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BINGO! That's exactly how I feel.
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I also don't think Malibu does it quite as bad with the V-ride as MC on the X1. The V-ride has a bunch of options any shmo would want.....like.....Carpet and has a much nicer fit and finish than the X1. The X1 just looks cheap. The V-ride is pretty slick, IMO. |
Depends on the dealer oshensufer
The Malibu dealer around here has had the monopoly on the inboard market for years. It's only been the last 2-3 years we've seen other dealers come in for a piece of the pie. They seemed to think they could ask anything for their boats and people would pay it. The V-ride last year was advertised at the boat show for the same price as what I paid for an 05 X-2. It has nothing to do with MC or Malibu and everything to do with the dealer. The 05 X-2 made the 05 V-ride look like a bayliner IMO. You couldn't even compare the two and yet the BU dealer jacked the price on them because he thought he could. I didn't see one V-ride in our area last year. I haven't seen what they did with the X-1 so I can't comment on them for comparison. |
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Want a cookie?
oshensurfer, I agree with what you said. Reason is, when you go to the dealership for a $19k truck, you know it's going to be stripped down. You also know that a loaded one may cost upwards of $40k. MC advertises this boat as an out of the box bonafide high end wake boat, which it isn't.
I should go into Cope & McPhetres and get the sales pitch from them. Crap, I can hit their showroom with a rock from my house....actually I know I can hit it 
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Two things about this that still floor me.
1. The price of boats continue to rise unabated. Crazy that you are realisticly looking at 45+ K for a stripped "price point" boat.
2. Why does MC feel they have to continue to lower the X number and price on argueably their best hull. Can't the X-2 be the X-1...or X-37...or whatever.... Jesus, someone trying to sell the thing is going to have to spend $1000 in print costs trying to explain, the old X-Star, that was once the X-2....then became the X-1, but remains their best hull. |
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That simply is not accurate"
Hahah I'm going to laugh all night about that line. However it is quite true. You can go to www.chevrolet.com and see a current example of it. Look under silverado trucks. "Starts at $19,065" oh but what is that below it? "Price as shown $46,615" good god! Same with the x-1 though, starts at $39,999, and of course you can pay more if you wish. The car industry has been doing that for years. They put there rock bottom out there, and it looks like the same tactics are coimg into the boat industry.
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SouthWaker,
You're not comparing apples to apples bro. My point is very simple. You walk into a car dealer and you want to buy "x" vehicle with the "y" model package. MSRP is $40K. You damn well better walk out of that dealer paying less than that, even after fees.
Similarly if you walk in and buy a current year in season X1 with an MSRP of $40k, you will never walk out of that dealer paying less than MSRP after fees, even if you buy the basic model with NO upgrades, unless you have connections. J-Ro's post explains it simply also. by | Quote: | | MC advertises this boat as an out of the box bonafide high end wake boat, which it isn't. |
which is what really irks me.
| Quote: | Hey If you want to spend 40k on a wakeboat with nothing wake about it be my guest.
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I'm not saying anyone should do this. I'm saying quite the opposite. It's retarded....ughhh. Forget it.
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Depends on the dealer oshensufer
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I agree Bambamski, I'm more or less talking about the Factory driven pricing and the strategy behind offering an X1 at $39999 and it has dick for accessories that anyone who wants a wakeboat would desire. Buying that boat strictly for the hull, I can understand, but not at $40k. I want a whole shload more stuff in my boat for $40k.
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The x-1 has the same interior, tower, construction
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Delbert,
That's not correct. The tower is different in that you can't even add swivel racks to it. You have to add standard MC racks as an option, and the interior is very different in terms of finish. The dash is cheap and the interior really has none of the touches that make the MC a beautiful boat. The trailer is completely the opposite end of the spectrum also as far as quality. Drum brakes, etc. etc. and depending on the dealer, it's ALSO an option..
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I should go into Cope & McPhetres and get the sales pitch from them. Crap, I can hit their showroom with a rock from my house....actually I know I can hit it
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J-Ro, I have listened to those beepity beeps and that's why I'm so adamate and perturbed about this subject. And also won't buy an MC even if I did like the boat better than the VLX. Which I don't. 
E.J., EXACTLY on your number 2. I've been saying that since they started the number swapping. I totally understood why they did it on the XStar and Bu did it on the VLX, but the other stuff is stoopid. |
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Neognosis
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I'm more or less talking about the Factory driven pricing and the strategy behind offering an X1 at $39999 and it has dick for accessories that anyone who wants a wakeboat would desire.
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Like I said, though I'm in the minority, it seems, I would buy the boat with no options just for the engine and hull and trick it out myself. Or, I would spend the money on my family and other stuff, but still have a kick-ass wake for the few hours a week we get to spend boarding.
I actually think that there is a market for stripped down wakeboats. My malibu d-drive right now has zero options on it, except the tower and cd player, and front balast. But I'm not as wealthy as you guys, and all I wanted, and all I could spend money on, was a good hull and a newer engine. That's what mattered to me, I was willing to give up all the bling siht to get down to the business of wakeboarding.
But like I said, I seem to be the minority here. I think riding is about the pull and the wake, not necessarily the bling.
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