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Jay Dutton Wakeboarder.Commie
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Posted: Oct 18, 2005 8:52 pm Post subject: Lib Tech Skis are here! |
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W/Magne Traction!
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chavez Ladies Man
Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 27375 City: Roseville
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Posted: Oct 18, 2005 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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Sweet!!!!!!!
IMO - they should have made 166 and 176, or better yet, 165-170-175-180.
176 is pushing it for me with those dimensions.
I will definitely take a good hard look at these though......
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Damon Wakeboarder.Commie
Joined: 30 Nov 2004 Posts: 2097 City: Federal Way / Bellingham
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Posted: Oct 18, 2005 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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Whaaaaaa??? Lib tech makes skis!!! Never thought I'd see the day!
188?? And only a 98mm waist? Who do they plan on selling those sizes to? Too skinny to claim them as powder skis.
They would have been fine with like a 172 and 182.. i dunno, maybe magne traction has something to do with the giant size.
How much are they gonna be?
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chavez Ladies Man
Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 27375 City: Roseville
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Posted: Oct 19, 2005 8:59 am Post subject: |
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Laugh Damon, you could be right on the sizing vs the magne traction.
172 I could handle...
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billyjodonjimbob Soul Rider
Joined: 27 Jun 2003 Posts: 280 City: Seattle
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Posted: Oct 19, 2005 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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that is interesting. never thought I would see the day that lib tech made skis.
magne traction was developed because two point contact (ski geomtery) didn't cut it for snowboards ...... or so they say anyway.
I guess snowboard geometry works for skis then.
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jryoung Ladies Man
Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose
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Posted: Oct 19, 2005 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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I guess snowboard geometry works for skis then.
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Why do you think skis went to parabolic shapes.
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billyjodonjimbob Soul Rider
Joined: 27 Jun 2003 Posts: 280 City: Seattle
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Posted: Oct 19, 2005 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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They went to parabolic shapes to carve / turn better.... I know that. I mean, I have done extensive research and developed many products / ideas realated to ski /snowboarding physics, ski shapes, and on snow dynamics....
I was using a bit of sarcasm in my post.
Part of the marketing, (at least the way I read it) for magne traction was that the geometry was unique for snowboarding and wouldn't work on skis. But then they made skis with it anyway....just thought it was kind of silly.
I personally do think it would work in a similar manner, but I haven't yet gotten to try a magne traction board yet to see how well it actually works. But I hear it is awesome, and the concept does make sense.
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Jay Dutton Wakeboarder.Commie
Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 1059 City: Park City, UT
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Posted: Oct 19, 2005 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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I've only seen the pro form prices so I assume they're going to be around $600-700 for a pair.
Mike Olsen, the founder of Lib Tech told me he invented the parabolic shape and presented it to K2 or somebody back in the day, they completly blew him off. 10-15 years later after he talked to them, look where skiing is today-everything is shaped. Snowboards used the technology way before skiis.
I've heard rumor that lib has pressed a handful of skiis over the years that were pretty bad ass and very $$$$$.
I've ridden the Magne Traction snowboards and have on the way to me, I can say that it kicks ass and really works. I don't really ski and am not nearly as knowledgable about skis as I am snowbooards so I have no idea how they will work. You never know, they may change the industr?
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jryoung Ladies Man
Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose
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Posted: Oct 19, 2005 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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billyjodonjimbob, My buddy just got a magne, I'm pretty excited to try it and see how it works.
My question regarding skis is that the weight distribution on a turn is totally different. Simply put, the weight is placed in the center of the ski allowing better contact at the mid-point as opposed to a snowboard where and even (or close to it) distribution of weight is put roughly half way between the center and tip and tail.
Who know's though, I always thought it would be fun to strap on a pair of planks again for fun, this may get me to do it.
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chavez Ladies Man
Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 27375 City: Roseville
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Posted: Oct 19, 2005 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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jryoung, strap on my planks for a set. You may not want to go back.
You will be mezmorized by the shiny stainless steel!!!!!
And your description of weight distribution is pretty spot on for skis.
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J-Ro PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 5662 City: Rocklin
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Posted: Oct 19, 2005 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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jryoung, Your right but the flex of a ski is set so that when you properly edge, the tip and tail bite just as much as the waist. Same theory as to why, when carving a board, you push your knees together.
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jryoung Ladies Man
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Posted: Oct 19, 2005 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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chavez, I'm already sure I don't want to go back to skiing
So if Magne revolutionizes the skiing industry will Alta, Deer V, Taos, and Mad River allow magne skis in their hill. After all they are all about "pure skiing".
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Damon Wakeboarder.Commie
Joined: 30 Nov 2004 Posts: 2097 City: Federal Way / Bellingham
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Posted: Oct 19, 2005 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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It also seems to me that when I snowboard, carving is more of a true S... where as skis are more... stretched out I guess... I dunno, maybe it's because I'm not very good at snowboarding... I actually don't know where I'm going with this one.
Anyway, its hard to determine how much they are going to stray from the traditional parabola from those drawings... I've seen a snowboard with magne traction, and it is pretty evident that there is something different on the edges. Maybe these skis won't be. We'll see, I definatly want to demo some.
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xxMetalheaDxx Criminal
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 91
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Posted: Oct 19, 2005 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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Oh great whats next... skiers wearing there pants around there ass and cuting us off!! We might be in trouble there gonna pull the same sh it we do to them!!
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Jay Dutton Wakeboarder.Commie
Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 1059 City: Park City, UT
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Posted: Oct 19, 2005 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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xxMetalheaDxx wrote: | Oh great whats next... skiers wearing there pants around there ass and cuting us off!! We might be in trouble there gonna pull the same sh it we do to them!! | THey've been doing that for a while now. The new school skiers and snowboarders all fall into the same demographics, they're the same thing except they ride facing down hill and we ride sideways. In fact a lot of the "core" snowboard shops I work with are carrying twin tip and freestyle skis now like 4Front, SRFCE and Armada.
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wakejumper17 Outlaw
Joined: 25 Aug 2005 Posts: 234
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Posted: Oct 20, 2005 3:15 am Post subject: |
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skis have twin tips so you can go into jumps and land them backwards although my opinion is you can go backwards without twintips cause i sure can and i dont have them looks like a park ski
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chavez Ladies Man
Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 27375 City: Roseville
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Posted: Oct 20, 2005 7:50 am Post subject: |
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wakejumper17, thank you Captain Obvious!
Now try landing switch on anything but a groomer without a twin tip.
When you wake up with a concussion, tell me how sweet your trick was.
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Damon Wakeboarder.Commie
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Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 957 City: The Cats in spanish
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Posted: Oct 20, 2005 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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chavez wrote: | Sweet!!!!!!!
IMO - they should have made 166 and 176, or better yet, 165-170-175-180.
176 is pushing it for me with those dimensions.
I will definitely take a good hard look at these though...... |
Maybe they'll make some "junior" sizes for you if you write them
On a separate note, I can't wait to try my Magnetraction board
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Damon Wakeboarder.Commie
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chavez Ladies Man
Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 27375 City: Roseville
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Posted: Oct 20, 2005 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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Laugh Damon, I'm gonna take a guess, but I'd imagine they can be drilled where you want them to be drilled.
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Damon Wakeboarder.Commie
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chavez Ladies Man
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Posted: Oct 20, 2005 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Laugh Damon, actually Line has a binding setup like that.
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I wish all skis had a setup like that. My last set of Volants looked like Ray Charles got drunk and took a drill to them.
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