Doing Inverts and Spins

russell21 · Newbie Joined: 11 Aug 2005 Posts: 40

Hey I am pretty good at riding now going across the W2W no problem with alright height i was just wondering if this is enough height to do inverts and spins

ontrider · Ladies Man Joined: 30 Jul 2003 Posts: 16491 City: Russia

russell21, yessir! You don't need to go huge to flip and spin.

Ctipping · Posted: Sep 17, 2005 4:28 pm Post subject:

Looks like you'll be fine for learning a hs/ts fs 360 and possibly a tantrum or a backroll. With inverts, it's not usually the height you can get on a straight air that counts, It's the edge and release off the wake. Choose one of the moves you think you can do and work on it.

J_DOGG · Posted: Sep 19, 2005 11:39 am Post subject:

I guess I have one question, why do you have slack in the line on a HS Indy grab????????

Cuz you are not loading the line properly and not using a progressive edge.
You are either pumping the wake like a snowboarder or you are flattening out right before the wake and getting bucked into the air.

IMO - Honestly now, I'm not tryn to be a joker.... I would think you need a bit more height in order to even get a handle pass off in time. If you did try to pull a 3 with that jump technically you would have nothing to pull against, you have no line load.

Just keeping it real.
The guys above are right you do not need a lot of air to spin or flip but you do need a good edge and proper release off the wake.

IMO - you should not be generating slack like that on a HS Indy grab and that's good indicator something else is off.

J_DOGG · Posted: Sep 19, 2005 11:43 am Post subject:

Before I need to start defending myself, I do agree the slack is minimal but it's there non the less.

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

That's plenty of height for a 360. I can do an ollie 360 in the flats. With no tower you're going to struggle with inverts probably. It's definitely possible but your technique has to be perfect.

J_DOGG · Posted: Sep 19, 2005 11:55 am Post subject:

Wakebrad, I hear you, I do them off rollers all the time. So you and I both know we spin those much faster than the W2W version.

I just don't think with that height or lack of for that matter he will be able to go W2W.

Every crash I took learning the W2W 3 many years ago was landing backwards casing or clipping the second wake!

DunDunDun · Posted: Sep 19, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:

my falls are from my nose diving under the water, why?

natxbrotha · Criminal Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Posts: 68

you can definitely learn 3's, 5's, and a whole array of inverts with that wake and line length and what not... all it takes is good technique. i learned to spin w2w 3's and 5's with that much height at 55ft... you dont have to worry about casing the wake, so you can really concentrate on your edging/take off and the other stuff. do a search on the forum here and read through some posts on tricks you want to try.

jpminter · Posted: Sep 20, 2005 12:20 pm Post subject:

That's enough height for spins, but probably not for inverts. Might I suggest you learn all your 180's before trying the 3? The 3 will come a lot faster if you have your 1's down first.

WakeBoaRrder180 · Outlaw Joined: 11 Apr 2004 Posts: 158

what kind of boat are you behind?

bhamglassman · Soul Rider Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 338 City: Bellingham

inverts will probably be a struggle, but it's plenty of height for w2w 180's and 360's. it's not uncommon for people to do ollie 360's...

WakeBoaRrder180 · Outlaw Joined: 11 Apr 2004 Posts: 158

i do inverts without goin wake to wake. you dont need much air at all to do an invert and you deff dont need much air to do spins Very Happy

Enzoborder230 · Posted: Oct 06, 2005 4:06 pm Post subject:

DunDunDun, wait longer, youre getting pulled slightly off axis, those falls suck so bad

kuehn · Outlaw Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 186 City: London. UK

Little unfair critisism on one photograph i think. the boat is curving a little which may give you a loss of tension after what would be the peak.

Post a vid?

QNev · Posted: Oct 08, 2005 2:51 pm Post subject:

J_DOGG, People can throw 3's off flat. I think with that height it should work. I too was getting about that when I tried my first tantrum and came very close to landing it. More height wouldn't be too necessary, unless you were doing a raley...

LFADAM · Posted: Oct 09, 2005 3:02 pm Post subject:

You dont need any more height for an invert than a w2w 3. I can do a w2w 3 behind my malibu easily but its in the shop right now so Im back to my unweighted towerless I/O with a similiar wake to yours. This weekend I went out and tried frontrolls. (Never landed one) and should have landed it. I think I needed even less height than a 3. I didnt even try a 3 because I knew I wouldnt be able to get it around. I was only getting about 2.5 feet of air (from bottom of the board) on my TS jumps/ frontroll attempts. As long as you have good technique, you can get an invert behind your wake. Ive seen people like Northwestrider do tantrums (bel airs) in the flats and other people do backrolls and R2Rs going out of the wake. Its all in technique.