what really is the difference about a i\o to a direct drive

hyperlite4285 · Newbie Joined: 11 Oct 2005 Posts: 2 City: Hartsville

i have a 19" chaparral that throws a pretty nice wake but all you see on the videos are direct drives. we bought the boat last summer and i was going to save up and get a new boat for next summer, but last year i waited a liitle to long to winterize it and the motor busted so i had to put a new motor in it. i guess i am just curious about what the difference is in between the wake size and the pull of a tower. i put a 5 1/2" pylon on my boat and it does pretty good i guess? i was just wondering how much of a difference a real wakeboard boat is for the rider

QNev · Posted: Oct 11, 2005 7:39 pm Post subject:

Well... Most D.D.'s and V-Drives usually have a hell of a lot more horsepower (over 300 standard), and most i/o's are about 190-210 HP Standard. Direct drives tend to stay more on track, and you will not get as much of a speed change as you would with a DD or VD.

I agree with you! I/O's own the whole world of wakes.

One downside, is you cannot surf behind i/o's. Sad

Mcmenamp · Posted: Oct 11, 2005 8:10 pm Post subject:

When you have a real wakeboard boat you don't have to mess with any trim in order to not have any wash in the wake. Most real wakeboard boats have a smooth wake all the way through.

gmarkham1 · Addict Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 505 City: janesville

I love the comment 'a real wakeboard boat'... what exactly is a real wakeboard boat in your opinion? most manufacturers got lucky with old ski boat molds, not designed as a 'wakeboard boat'.

a few comments do hold true though...
The wake is harder behind an inboard
they track better
hold speed better
Handle better at speed
are somewhat safer due to the fact that the prop is under the boat instead of hanging out behind the boat

All that being said, I still rather ride behind my I/O then most older ski boats converted to wakeboarding!

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ballywho · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 1725

madCat, If you give me enough weight I can make a DD make the same or better wake than a VD.
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buckthis · Posted: Oct 12, 2005 12:30 pm Post subject:

also, the inboard doesn't have an outdrive to winterize and lube(some u-joints on the outdrive cannot be lubricated until the outdrive is taken out), this is a pain for one person to do.

LFADAM · Posted: Oct 12, 2005 5:32 pm Post subject:

ballywho, if you give me enough weight (and a new engine Mr. Green

) I could make my jon boat wake the same or better than a v drive.

The point is they are naturally better because of their weight distribution (and a little added weight from the Vdrive components)

Pope · Addict Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 526

I have ridden a 210 Sea Ray i/o (with plenty of horsepower) for almost going on 6 years now... this differences I have found are (as they relate to wake riding):

- often hard to control the washiness of the wake
- very hard to maintain a constant speed
- need to pay attention to the trim to control the above
- when you want to plane with a lot of wieght in the boat... it is usually at a higher speed than most wakeboarders would like to ride at
- the ride up the wake does not seem as clean
- the release off the wake is also not as clean
- simply a different wake

With 2 50lb dumbells allways lining the engine compartment & the largest normal shaped fat sack (500-600lbs?) plus a packed cooler & friends in the boat it puts out a sweet wake.

Oh, & we have a sweet Boss tower on it which has also made all the differnece in the world

all of the comments above about how tough it is to be precise with the boats speed and wakes washiness can be combated... I am always stoked to ride behind my boat... wieghted down it is better than my Uncles 21' new V-drive Malibu (which he criminally refuses to let me through a fat sack in)... but would i rather ride a SAN or a properly wieghted V-drive... you bet

QNev · Posted: Oct 13, 2005 8:25 am Post subject:

Just think, those with i/o's have what many people are paying an extra 500 or so on their 'bu's. That would be the wedge Wink

. The wedge works kind of like trim to get part of the boat down instead of using ballast to make a bigger wake.

mjmurphy53711 · Outlaw Joined: 02 Aug 2005 Posts: 242 City: madison

the main difference between i/os and inboards in terms of wakes is the fact that the wake on an i/o only cleans up so far back and you usually have to ride at a faster speed to harden/clean the wake up.

bayliners throw a great wake when weighted down properly (translate=loaded) because they have a nice deep v to sink.

i/o's do suffer in the horsepower department imo.

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gmarkham1 · Addict Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 505 City: janesville

http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/1/258189.html?1128818973

check out the first set of pics posted on that thread..... you wouldn't ride that???

ballywho · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 1725

Sure I'd ride it, but don't even bother comparing it to an inboard's wake. And handling with that much ballast is reeeally bad.
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gmarkham1 · Addict Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 505 City: janesville

why not? that is better then some inboards I have been behind, plain and simple!

ballywho · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 1725

I rode behind an OLD ski nautique DD with very little ballast a few weeks ago in saltwater and the wake was pretty similar to that. I've never ridden behind a VD or ballasted DD so that's what I'm comparing it to. Besides, he says right in there that he can't turn at speed with all that ballast.
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mjmurphy53711 · Outlaw Joined: 02 Aug 2005 Posts: 242 City: madison

plain and simple to me is the fact that i/os and older dd's are not comparable to x2's sans, vlx, avalanche etc. A boat designed for wakeboarding is a boat designed for wakeboarding, i/os arent, and older ski boats arent.

gmarkham1 · Addict Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 505 City: janesville

hello junior... those pics are behind my boat, no you cant do a double up, but the river isnt really wide enough anyways! other then that you just cant make real sharp turns!

ballywho · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 1725

Is that "junior" put there to attempt to insult me?

OK, so you can't do d-ups. Meaning you probably can't change course if there is an obstuction near you. Seems like bad idea to me... But thats just me Rolling Eyes

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I really dont care if it's your boat or not, I know that i/o's dont handle for sh*t with ballast in them. Hole-shot sucks too. All in all, inboards were made for this, i/o's aren't.
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K-dub · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 14760

ballywho, for someone with SO little experience with different boats, you sure talk alot of smack about something you know absolutely nothing about.

-pure comedy, I tell ya'!-

ballywho · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 1725

K-dub, First of all, if you have something against me please tell me in a pm. You really must hate me or something.

Second of all, I'm going almost purley off what gmarkham1 states. In the link posted the owner of that boat says that it doesn't handle. Are you going to argue that? Read the friggin link. After that gmarkham1 says,

J-Ro · Posted: Oct 13, 2005 3:40 pm Post subject:

ballywho · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 1725

I guess you don't believe me. OK then, here we go.

50+ offshore fishing trips, I drive mostly the night shift sinse I can stay up late easily. None of these trips were less than 50 miles each way out to the grounds, about 40 of which are in complete darkness.

15miles a day, 5 days a week for 2 months. 8 years and counting. My job is 7.5 miles away by boat. This doesn't include out daily wakeboarding

4 deliveries, avereging about 600 miles. the longest being 1200.

3 weeks cruising the carribean

18 distance races (sailing). 3@190+/- miles, 2@600, 6@100 7@250 3@(depending on the route we took)300

Is that enough?

A list of the boats: alot of these are sailboats but quite a few are powerboats
Carrera (86 ft)
titan (72)
Raven (44)
Shockwave (my favorite, 94ft)
^^ These are the custom sail boats that I race on.

3 Swan 45's
1 Mumm 30
1 Melges 24
1 Laser 28
ALOT of 420's
ALOT of laser's
^^^ These are the production sailboars I have raced on

Swan 45 (twice)
Pearson 36 (twice)
^^^These are the boats I've delivered

Albemare 27, 32, 45
Boston Whaler 27
Rampage 38
^^^ These are the boats I go offshore fishing in regularly

Boston Whaler 11, 13
Mako 17
^^^These are the boats I have run to work in.

That's about it, and 2 45 ft catamaran's in the carribean

DO NOT say that I just got on because I rode with my Dad. All the deliveries he was there, a few of the races, and most of the offshore trips but I worked hard and put in the time to get on these boats.
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K-dub · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 14760

your little list doesn't mean dick for how much you know about the boats that this thread is about.

and you don't have me beat in "time on the water" there bud. Keep trying though.

I'm over twice your age, and have been around boats since the day I was born....

and i have no problem to take to p.m. puffy.....you just leave yourself open to bashing way too easily. Take it like a man.
You are giving CTipping a good run for his money on the village idiot title lately.

Mr. Top Hat · Outlaw Joined: 03 Sep 2005 Posts: 237

K-dub, i like you

ballywho, i dont like you

today i rode behind a 2005 Xstar and an old malibu ski boat. the wakes dont even compare. the malibu had a nice wake and all but when i saw the wake on the xstar i was just speechless. DDs and I/Os can have great wakes, but when you compare them to a "wake specific" boat they just dont measure up.

ballywho · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 1725

Mr. Top Hat, I know you don't like me. And just so you know, you just agreed with me.

K-dub, If you are so experienced, please by all means, prove it somehow. Or "sack up" and admit when you're wrong. I will by all means take it like a man, I'm just wondering why you seem to hate me and anything I believe. I have been on boats since I was born also, and until you prove otherwise, I will think for more time total.

Mr. Top Hat · Outlaw Joined: 03 Sep 2005 Posts: 237

ballywho, i never said anything about agreeing with you, i just said i dont like you

ballywho · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 1725

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Mr. Top Hat · Outlaw Joined: 03 Sep 2005 Posts: 237

ballywho, you are an idiot. i never said i either disagreed or agreed with you. i strictly said i dont like you. not liking you has nothing to do with whether my opionions are similar to yours.

ballywho · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 1725

Whatever. Fine, Mr. Top Hat, why must you always argue with me? Laughing

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Mr. Top Hat · Outlaw Joined: 03 Sep 2005 Posts: 237

ballywho, because you think your smart when your really a jackass

Vampyre · Addict Joined: 12 Oct 2004 Posts: 622 City: Ooltewah, TN

Well, it is funny, yet sad, that I can always count on the same BS at the end of every thread... they allllways stray off topic into the same testosterone match.

Mr. Top Hat's sig says it all.....

Hockeyplayer · Posted: Oct 13, 2005 9:53 pm Post subject: