04' SAN

02Byerly132 · Outlaw Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Posts: 119 City: Chatt town

Does anyone know what the changes on the 04' SAN will be? I know they are going to start building them in July, and I was wondering if anyone knew what changes they were going to make. Thanks.

wakejunky · Outlaw Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 147 City: Cal.

Correct Craft is usually very conservative with any changes. I would suspect very little. Although they will be changing their board racks, now that they have teamed up with NVert.

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BIGMAC · Posted: Apr 17, 2003 4:53 pm Post subject:

I will tell you what I wish they would have for 04.
1 integrated ballast kinda like the new xstar
2 with new ballast comes new storage in the rear compartments
3 do something with that stupid clamshell stuff. Make it like a regular boat if nothing else.
4 rotating driver seat
that's all I can think of right now.

Slaytwebeling · Addict Joined: 05 Feb 2003 Posts: 892 City: Houston

Roating chair seat never thought about that but that would be awsome.

Dirty$outhRida · Addict Joined: 24 Feb 2003 Posts: 665 City: Austin, Tx.

ya that would be cool if they did that

Magellan · Soul Rider Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Posts: 255 City: AZ

I JUST GOT MY 03 vlx AFTER THE 02 LAST SEASON. THE SPINNING DRIVER SEAT IS THE COOLEST THING ON THE BOAT.

Jim M · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 2933

Yeah the cockpit in the SAN is the sleekest looking and everything is easy to get to but its a shame the seat doesn't swivel. Other recommended changes-

Repostioning the factory head unit- at least make a secondary control panel on the main dash so you don't have to turn to the side and search for the right button.

The low pylon is worthless, make it an option or just make it removeable.

Standard removeable 3rd observers seat behind drivers seat, it would add 1-2 more to capacity.

More custom options like what Mastercraft is starting to do, everyone wants an original boat, so offer more decals, more interior detail choices, more unique color schemes.

Jack V · Outlaw Joined: 19 Feb 2003 Posts: 207

Hey Jim,
You can get any color combination you want with the nautique. You can put anywhere from 1 to 5 different colored stripes on the boat. Just get creative.
With the head unit, are you talking about the radio? they put it in the glove box now with a little display gauge at the touch of your fingers.

RanMan · Outlaw Joined: 14 Apr 2003 Posts: 186 City: Pittsburgh

If they made the new Super Airs like the existing Centurion Avalanche, then they'd have a good boat. Drink cooler accessable from the drivers seat. Stereo in front of driver instead of side. More ballast with fill/empty switches on driver console. Cool swoop tower. Gel coat graphics. Snap out carpet. Swivel Drivers seat. Massive storage. Maybe if Correct Craft sees what else is out there, they'll start building it into thier boats too. And charging 15k more. Cool

Josh R · Posted: Apr 21, 2003 3:55 am Post subject:

If they made the new Super Airs like the existing Centurion Avalanche, then they'd fall apart...

RanMan · Outlaw Joined: 14 Apr 2003 Posts: 186 City: Pittsburgh

Ahh, Mr. Robinson hasn't seen or ridden in a new Avalanche. Don't speak of what you don't know.
Maybe older Centurions had problems. The '02 Avalanche is dope, trust me.
Anyone remember the '75 Ford Thunderbird? And people still buy Fords today in spite of that piece of crap in their history.
Wink

Josh R · Posted: Apr 21, 2003 4:42 am Post subject:

Actually I have seen and riden in a new '02 Avalanche.
I did a photoshoot with some of the Aussie pro's. Wake was horrible. Everyone agreed.

So don't speak of what you don't know....

BIGMAC · Posted: Apr 21, 2003 7:36 am Post subject:

Ran
Don't speak of what you don't know??????????
Drink cooler accessable from the drivers seat??
Put a cooler behind the seat
Stereo in front of driver instead of side.
It is. 2003s have the control in front of them.
More ballast with fill/empty switches on driver console. 2003 has that also.
Cool swoop tower.
That's personal opinion which Imo is fugly
Gel coat graphics.
Quess you are stuck w/ the same graphics for life.

Jim M · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 2933

Thanks for the info Jack, I didn't know they repositioned the factory decks. I am going out in a 03 SAN 210 in a week or so, should be nice. I don't mean the color schemes and stripes, I just mean more after-market customizations- Mastercraft is starting to offer different decal layouts, trailer details, different rims, just lots of added detail to add some flare. It adds up though, I sure don't plan on buying a new $55K boat this year.

RanMan · Outlaw Joined: 14 Apr 2003 Posts: 186 City: Pittsburgh

OK, guys. Nice to see CC put the stereo in front of the driver in '03. I guess they are seeing what other manufacturers have already done. Like, before them. As for the wake...Please. I've ridden behind a '01 SAN, '91 Barefoot, '9? Excel, '96 Super sport, '02 Moomba, and my Avalanche. All have good wakes. They ought to, all are V-drives. Unless you are a pro, which most on here are not (including myself), I defy you tell which is which blindfolded. I can tell the Moomba difference only. As for the Nautiques, please. They are good boats no doubt. But I'll go with a manufacturer that is on the cutting edge of technology. How many out there are going to change their graphics? You're saying stickers are better?Cooler behind the seat? How about built-in in the walk through. Is CC putting in snap-out carpet yet? Still the ballast valve thing behind the driver? What is CC doing that is so different or new or better? For 15-20k more?
One last note, IMHO, the better boarder you are, the less the wake matters. The best rider on the river here rides behind a Searay Cuddy Cruiser I/O with a homemade tower. Raleys, verts, spins, he sticks them all. And, BTW, is happy to get the oppty to ride behind my 'lil old Avalanche on occaison.

Dees · Posted: Apr 21, 2003 10:35 am Post subject:

blah blah blah. "ballast thing behind the drive" blah blah blah. k you use your avalanche and when it breaks down give me a call.

i will agree on one thing you said, "the less the wake matter". And that's the only smart thing you said.

DRAGON88 · Posted: Apr 21, 2003 11:45 am Post subject:

yea Nautiques are so behind the times.... ooh wait no there not.... Randy i rember you from the old site.

you must be a pretty crappy rider to not beable to tell the difference between the wakes of diff boats.

as for the walk through, ive seen old sea rays whith walk through transoms. cutting edge??

my decals have been holding up just fine. If you want to think that Centerons are "cutting edge" than i am sorry. but you are entitled to your oppinion, i mean i can see why your in denile, i wouldnt want to admit that i wasted 30-40k on a peice....

so bash away.... Rolling Eyes

RanMan · Outlaw Joined: 14 Apr 2003 Posts: 186 City: Pittsburgh

This is so fun. So my Mercruiser powered boat is going to break down? Hmmm. last I checked Merc' was the most popular power package on the water. How about my Perfect Pass, or Faria gauges, or Teleflex controls? What's in your boat? Please... Remember, Centurion makes the hull. Only the hull. BTW, same with CC. And 'Bu, and Moomba, and, oh yeah, everyone else. PCM, Indmar, Merc' - They are marinized factory-made Chevy or Ford engines. As for me being a crappy rider. You're right I am. But that depends on how you define crappy. To Bonifay, we're all crappy. To the stuffed Bikini crowd, we're Bonifay. Who are you trying to impress? Cool

As for cutting edge-Check out the ICS construction on the new Centurions. That's cutting edge.
And as for wasted money, well, the 15k I saved I spent on my motorcycle. Not a Harley. Mr. Green

King of the Tigers · Posted: Apr 21, 2003 12:13 pm Post subject:

I've never ridden behind a Centurion. But I've sure read and heard a lor of horror stories about them basically falling apart. I've had my Ski Nautique 2001 for 15 years and have had no problems. I wish the same to your Centurion.

Jim M · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 2933

If you are a CC owner, you will more than likely not be concerned with the rest of the boat market, and you def won't be trying to compare CCs to Centurions or Moombas. CC is known to be the pinnacle due to outstanding consumer reports year after year, from retaining a high # of repeat buyers, and of course they excel in all published field tests. You don't spend $55K from hype or b/c of cool decals. For the graphics recommendation, that is just a minor detail that would be cool to play with for current CC owners or for new orders. Taking the price down $15 is my only true recommendation.

And you better believe any experienced rider can notice wake differences from different v-hulls and weighthing schemes. Stuff like how quick the wake bucks/throws you, how the boards rocker reacts to releasing off the lip, how easy the transition is to time coming into and off the wake, any experienced rider should notice that stuff after a few hits. I am by no means a pro rider but I can tell when the boat drops or gains 1 mph, or when the wake is about to wash, or when the lip is too heavy or steep. Maybe that comes from knowing what a Super Air wake looks like when properly weighted.

You can be complacent about your own boat, that is very admirable b/c its yours, but neglecting differences across boats and knocking Super Airs is making a pretty big stand. And being worth the extra $$ is nobodys busienss but the buyer.

chase · Outlaw Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 190 City: Clermont, FL

I have had many come out on my boat and "every single one of them" commented on the wake of my SAN! Granted some said it was too big or too steep but most said it was the best they have ever ridden behind! As a matter of fact, a guy that frequents these boards rode behind the my SAN once and sold his Moomba to buy one! You may be right on some of your points, however, the extra money is towards something, in this instance it was for a better wake!

By the way, please blindfold me and let me take your test. That is a real stretch and total bullcrap, most anyone could tell a difference!

BIGMAC · Posted: Apr 21, 2003 1:46 pm Post subject:

Ballast valve is in front of the driver Ran. I would try to justify my purchase too whether I spent $25000 or $55000.

mkcarte2 · Outlaw Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 168 City: raliegh, nc

who patented the first tower?

RanMan · Outlaw Joined: 14 Apr 2003 Posts: 186 City: Pittsburgh

This is sooo fun. But, you guys are right after all. CC does make unquestionably a great boat. My opinion is that it is not that much better than the others out there. And that all manufacturers basically use the same vendors for their manufacturing operations. From Gel coat to engines, everybody uses the same handful of vendors. So perceived quality is based on long term history. OK, fair enough. It's great that the 2001 Nauty is still going after 15 years. The new Centurions, and others, are built better than ever before. So let them make their own testimonial as they stand the test of time. As for your 2001 Nauty, c'mon, It's time to sink that tub and buy something fresh.
Finally, as for the wake, it would be nice if there were objective means of gauging wake size, shape, kick, firmness, etc. Instead of biased opinion. I guess I am not good enough to tell. Just don't tell the stuffed Bikini crowd. Wink

chase · Outlaw Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 190 City: Clermont, FL

Good recovery, RanMan! I used to laugh when people would get offended by others' opinions and now I think I must be getting laughed at! Embarassed

Oh well, to each his own, as long as you're having fun!

RanMan · Outlaw Joined: 14 Apr 2003 Posts: 186 City: Pittsburgh

Ride on Chase-man!

core-rider · Addict Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 531 City: Huntsville, AL

I'm not gonna get caught up in the middle of this arguement, but... I am a stickler for detail! Every boat manufacturer needs to step up something, but CC is IMO a step ahead of everyone in that area.

Take hull construction for instance... Have you compared the difference in the looks between CC, Mastercraft, Supra? You will see horrible waves down the side of Mastercraft and Supra, but CC is much more straight. Now, no boat will be perfect but the more straight the better!

Now to the dash... Look at the difference in how different dashes are laid out. CC has a very "user-friendly" dash that also looks good. Most of the other companies are still using toggle swithes that are big, bulky, and ugly. Even the new X-star that has been made out to revolutionize the wakeboarding boat industry has these ugly toggle switches that say, "Look at me, I'm stuck 5 years in the past!"

About the only thing I have read in this thread is that CC hasn't done in their boat yet is the snap out carpet. Big deal, I think that is for companies that don't put good quality carpet in their boats, so they give you the option of taking it out so it won't get wet.

My opinion if you really take time to look at the differences in the manufactures you will more than likely find that CC is the most well rounded boat from a stand point of quality. If you don't want too, or can't afford one fine, go to another company and buy one cheaper. There's nothing wrong with that, but you will sacrifice some quaility. That's it, I'm done...

RanMan · Outlaw Joined: 14 Apr 2003 Posts: 186 City: Pittsburgh

Hmmm, look at the dash...closely. Yeah, if CC is still doing those high tech rubber faced push on-off switches with the green 'on' indicator lights then I'm glad you brought up that point. In bright sun (any good day on the water) you can barely tell if they are illuminated on not. Not so 'user friendly'. Often on the '01 San I've ridden in they have been left on without notice. Yeah, I prefer a good old fashioned toggle. And, btw, there is not a toggle in sight on my dash. Just, tach, speedo, depth finder and Perfect Pass. Oh, radio too. Maybe CC saw that was a good place for it after seeing mine. Everything else is on the right side console. Ballast, lights, engine cover lift, blower, horn. And those are toggles. Handsome covered toggles with red LEDs poitively indicating on and off. Some things just work better. One last note, the SAN I rode in had the depth gauge on that side panel too. Kind of an odd place for that critical info to be hidden. Also, try as I might, sighting down the side of my hull, I can't seem to find those horrible waves you talk about, unless you mean water waves. As for the carpet, maybe you prefer to lug a shop vac to your boat. But after a day of kids, food, beer, suntan lotion, crumbs, river water, etc, it's nice to snap out the carpet, roll it up, take it home and pressure wash it clean. Hang it over a saw horse or two to dry and Viola! Like having a new boat every weekend. And you don't have to freak when the kids spill the juice again. I am a stickler for detail, also, and I like clean. That old low-tech permacarpet on the Nautiques just keeps getting dirtier. Yuck.
Of course, as I said before, CC makes a great boat. But is it 15k better? Debatable. Cool

Dees · Posted: Apr 22, 2003 8:34 am Post subject:

sound like a good way to wear the carpet out. have you ridin behind a 03 SAN. your comparing an 01 SAN to your 02 what ever it is. here the dash moron. depth finder is in the 2nd Serial Faria gauge from the left, also air/water temp is located on the same guage. Yep to me it looks like there still using the green led indicaters. That's funny they look red to me. but if you cant make them out, it the ballast lights are on and the start light. And it alss looks like to me that the blower, heater, shower, lights, bildge etc are all right in that panel. Humm let compare my 1978 toyota celica to your tow truck. Your truck probable has electric windows huh. but yes your truck is probable nice but for 15k more. debatable

J_DOGG · Posted: Apr 22, 2003 9:07 am Post subject:

Jim said it best, you wont see me comparing my boat against any other.

I love my boat, and paid the extra $ for most of the reasons Jim mentioned.

PEACE

Dees · Posted: Apr 22, 2003 9:23 am Post subject:

im not concerned with the other on the market either. I'm just calling out this moron because of the bumb things he's saying. You can buy, ride, drive and sink what ever the hell you want,. I could care less about you $hitty snap in carpet. Oh ya, CC does make a REMOVABLE floor mat if you want one. And its even comes in two pieces so you can take the one out that gets grape juice/sun tan lotion etc on it.

How much river water are we talking about any ways (are you floodin the front, like the xstar at the PWT). Ours never gets wet. When peeps are done riding they stand on the swim platform or sun deck and most of the water is off of them when they get in.

RanMan · Outlaw Joined: 14 Apr 2003 Posts: 186 City: Pittsburgh

C'mon, moron? Please. I'm just not one to sit idly by when blanket generalizations are made by Nautique owners regarding the quality of other manufacturers boats. Objective comparison is the only way to make points. Opinion does not sell. Yeah, I am talking about an '01 SAN. So are you saying that that year they sucked? Funny, according to many Nautique owners on this site, every Nautique since time began is the gold plated best, with the first and best of everything.
As for wearing out the carpet. It's dirt that wears it out. And as for how much water is in the boat. Plenty. Ask anyone with kids. They don't stand on the swim platform to drip dry everytime. Just wait. You'll see.

petesmithj · Newbie Joined: 17 Feb 2003 Posts: 22

I have a question - not that I want to get involved.. but! Can you run your hand down the inside of the hull - like under the engine compartment without getting shards of fiberglass in your fingers..?

Dees · Posted: Apr 22, 2003 10:46 am Post subject:

well Ive never ridin in a 01 Nautique, I never said they sucked (your putting words in my mouth).

Nothing against you as a parent but sounds like you need........aw never mind I cant belive I swooped to your level.

Avalanche RULES

Well you ride in your 40k boat and I'll ride in our 54k

chase · Outlaw Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 190 City: Clermont, FL

My LED lights are hard as heck to see in the daytime and my carpet is taking a beating but, damn, I love my boat! Wink