"Fakie" vs. "Switch"

tedamenta · Outlaw Joined: 25 Jul 2004 Posts: 104 City: Breckenridge

I once knew a snowboard instructor who was adamant about the distinction between and the proper use of the words “fakie” and “switch”.

It seems like most people in the wakeboard community use the word “switch” when they really mean “fakie”.

Just an observation…

DRAGON88 · Posted: Jun 28, 2005 9:35 pm Post subject:

The distinction is???

In skateboarding fakie and switch are different. (fakie being like a switch stance nollie.)

But seeing as your feet are in the same position on a wakeboard, I don't see how there could be a distinction...

Of course what would the pro riders/ magazine writers know about wakeboarding? I mean you're probably right and they are probably wrong...

Cameron · Outlaw Joined: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 180 City: Down Under

Isnt switch the way you come into a trick and fakie or revert the way you come out of it..? I mean i've never heard anyone say 'come into the wake fakie'.. or say they did a 'tantrum to switch'.. I'm not sure its a big deal as long as people know what your reffering to, there are so many different names these days; switch, fakie, revert, half-cab, blind... they just all apply differently to differnt tricks..

waker1der · Outlaw Joined: 12 Oct 2004 Posts: 102 City: London UK

your stance is either regular (left foot forward) or fakie (right foot forward) when you change or 'switch' your stance then you are riding switch regardless of whether you ride regular or fakie. if you approach the wake riding switch then it is half-cab

FunkmaztafoX · Outlaw Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Posts: 238 City: Charlotte

no, that's goofy (right foot forward)

re re · Addict Joined: 02 Jul 2004 Posts: 723

jason_ssr · Posted: Jun 29, 2005 3:54 am Post subject:

in wakeboarding it cannot be distinguished. It is skating terms talking about foot position. Skating is a directional stance. Both feet point in the forward direction slightly. Wakeboarding is a bi-directional stance, as it is symetrical in either direction.

Switch is riding forward with a forward stance opposite your strong stance.

Fakie is riding in a forward stance in your strong stance but riding backwards.

craiger · Soul Rider Joined: 03 Feb 2003 Posts: 498 City: Plano

so, I ride normal (LFF).. let me see if I get this..

On my skateboard, if I'm riding with my right foot in the front, and my toes are pointed more towards my right (the direction i'm going), that is switch.

If I'm riding with my right foot in front, but my toes are pointed more towards my left (the direction I'm going away from), that is fakie?

FunkmaztafoX · Outlaw Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Posts: 238 City: Charlotte

i believe so yes.

interesting, this post is, i didn't think you could get so many different stances and terms for them so confused,.

jason_ssr · Posted: Jun 29, 2005 5:37 am Post subject:

yes. basically. it is also you foot position on the board. When riding LFF, your right foot is on the tail and you left ins in the middle favoring the nose. Riding with your feet in that position, but going to you right (backwards) is fakie. If you were to ride RFF and have your left on the tail and right more cented riding to you right, its switch.

craiger · Soul Rider Joined: 03 Feb 2003 Posts: 498 City: Plano

I see...

on a different note, and to briefly hijack the thread, I talked with you Jason about my buddy taking kb lessons tomorrow in Corpus. The forecast is for winds 10-20mph. Will that be enough for them to get a quality lesson? They are concerned the winds won't be strong enough...

jason_ssr · Posted: Jun 29, 2005 6:41 am Post subject:

Yeah, it should be good in the afternoon. It is on the coast, so as the sun heats up the land, thatland will heat the air above it and it will rise. This sucks the colder air off the water creating even more wind than they actually forecast. its a thermal effect. it will be plenty for basic lessons. they wont be bombing 50ft jumps, but they will have some fun.

craiger · Soul Rider Joined: 03 Feb 2003 Posts: 498 City: Plano

sweet, thanks for the info.

hijack over, carry on...

pooser · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 4738

link to skate stance explanation
http://www.skateboard-city.com/skateboard-trick-tips.php
skateboarding is the only boardsport with a distinction between switch and fakie as far as i know. i usually say switch if its the begining of a trick and fakie when they land, like switch boardslide 270 out or boardslide 270 out to fakie, cuz if you are doing a switch trick you are popping with your back foot and when you land with your opposite foot forward on a skateboard (from a non-switch/nollie trick) youd be landing fakie. it doesnt really matter tho.

tedamenta · Outlaw Joined: 25 Jul 2004 Posts: 104 City: Breckenridge

pooser · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 4738

fakie and switch are both stances. they both have the opposite foot forward. its just whether you pop of the tail or nose. there is no way to distinguish between fakie and switch on a wakeboard when you are not ollieing or popping.

Colclough999 · Soul Rider Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 410 City: Boston

B_Fool · Soul Rider Joined: 15 Aug 2004 Posts: 373 City: Cen FLA

Anything with your non-strong foot forward is called switch.

The term fakie is one of the gayest words I've ever heard. It is slowly being pushed out of wake. Much like saying heel side off axis 540. It's now heel off 5. When someone says fakie in our boat, we get to throw bologna at them.

tedamenta · Outlaw Joined: 25 Jul 2004 Posts: 104 City: Breckenridge

Food for thought:

http://www.psia-rm.org/pdf/Snowboard/RMCertStandards3.pdf

Bernstein · Criminal Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 87 City: Birmingham

FAKIE IS NOT A TERM USED IN WAKEBOARDING [theres regular, goofy, switch, one foot out (shane bonifay used to do a trick like this called the judo) frontside, backside, toeside, heelside

Craig-R · Guest

Bernstein, obviously fakie is a term used in wakeboarding when you have front to fakie and tantrum to fakie....

i think saying heel off 5 sounds kinda gay Colorful

Tyler~Moore · Posted: Aug 27, 2005 8:11 am Post subject:

Bernstein, you really are a tool...You should research before you come out acting like the man... like craig-R said...tantrum to fakie and front to fakie... he owned you...

Ian_82 · Addict Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 803 City: Longview, WA

i think its funny it the THPS series, especially the first couple games, it used to say switch nollie. which would be a fakie ollie. as for my contribution, switch and fakie are the same thing. to distinguishwhich is which, it depends on what foot is on the tail. or nose. since you cant do that in wakeboarding, it is pretty much an irrelevant term.

Kodiac18 · Criminal Joined: 29 Jul 2005 Posts: 69

johnaulick · Posted: Aug 28, 2005 5:29 pm Post subject:

switch sounds alot better than fakie.. fakie just sounds dumb

blind5 · Outlaw Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 181

there is no such thing as fakie on a wakeboard, because you can't ride in different foot possitions. Snowboarding is the same way.

For instince if you are left foot forward, then right foot forward would be switch right? If you were riding switch and wanted to get into fakie, then you would have to move your right foot to the nose of the board, naturally your left foot would move more towards the center of the board, instead of the tail.

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re re · Addict Joined: 02 Jul 2004 Posts: 723

Technically, no fakie, but there are tricks that include the term fakie as stated above.

If you want to get rid of the term "fakie" from wakeboarding, we need to redefine or rename a few other things.

jzwake · Addict Joined: 12 Dec 2003 Posts: 801

Fakie is held over from when Boards were directional and it was more proper to say fakie. Tantrum and fronts to fakie were being throw on wake tech big airs and other pointy boards in 93'-94'. Fakie was kinda correct back then, But the same trick were called to Revert by some. Switch wasn't said as much back then either. Fakie doesn't really exist anymore on wakeboards.
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LFADAM · Posted: Aug 29, 2005 12:29 pm Post subject:

In skateboarding:
fakie:riding opposite from your strong direction. (RFF if you are naturally LFF) with your front foot on the nose and your back foot near the middle. Basically your switch nollie position.

switch: Riding opposite from your strong direction with your feet not in nollie position.

In wakeboarding:
Switch: essentially riding backwards
Fakie: Same as switch
Revert: Doing a trick with a 180, usually at the end, causing you to land switch
Half Cab: Beginning a trick switch and landing regular. (180, 540, Backroll, etc.)
Blind: Doing a trick involving a BS 180 so you land without seeing your landing area. Usually on BS spins but an exception is a TS 360, it has a blind landing because the handle pass is late. Blind can also refer to spinning. In that case it is a backside spin.(ex. Blind 5 is a BS 540)

re re · Addict Joined: 02 Jul 2004 Posts: 723

Half cab=only 180. Cab if it's over 180.

LFADAM · Posted: Aug 29, 2005 2:51 pm Post subject:

re re,

Wow. Cab is an abbreviation of Half cab. Kinda like Roll to Revert. Its really a Backroll to Revert.

LFADAM · Posted: Aug 29, 2005 3:02 pm Post subject:

Well, the more I think about it, I see what you mean re re I guess your right in a way if you knew what you were saying which I now think you did. My apologies on the bashing.

Concussedrider · Newbie Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 21

no such thing as riding fakie in wakeboarding.....

blind5 · Outlaw Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 181

half-cab is a term used when you are riding switch and land regular.

a "cab 5" is correct, not a "switch 5" because you took off switch and are landing regular.
A "switch 3" is correct, not "Cab 3" because you took off switch and are landing switch.

so you can only do cab: 1s, 5s, 9s, and 12s

and switch: airs, 3s, 7s, and 10s

fuk_all_this@hotmail.com · Criminal Joined: 17 Aug 2005 Posts: 56

what was the point of tis post?