360, Tantrum-Blind, or Whirlybird?

wake1ghuth · Outlaw Joined: 03 Jul 2003 Posts: 177 City: Columbus

I can't get the 360! Evil or Very Mad

FS or BS!!!! I don't know what the heck my prob is. I've got a good BS 180, I've been grabing it and landing it blind. I don't know... the 360 just wont come. Is a Whirly or Tantrum to blind a good way to go if I decide to forgo the 360 for now.

What's harder, Tantrum to Blind or Whirly? The 360 is pi$$ing me off... I think I'm gona cry! Crying or Very sad

Also... what's harder, Tantrum to fakie or Tantrum to blind?

ballywho · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 1725

Can you do a regular tantrum? You should learn them first.
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elyse · Posted: Jun 23, 2005 7:10 am Post subject:

wake1ghuth, don't feel bad. The best rider in our area (most likely) can do tantrums, backrolls, BS 180'2 grabbed 180's, raleys, frontrolls, scarecrows etc and can't stick a 360. I guess its just one of those things?

wake1ghuth · Outlaw Joined: 03 Jul 2003 Posts: 177 City: Columbus

Ballywho...Yes, big and layed out or up and down with a grab.

wake1ghuth · Outlaw Joined: 03 Jul 2003 Posts: 177 City: Columbus

wakechick182, Thanks for the encuragement Laughing

I'm getting some sort of tennis elbow from repeated attempts. I have landed a few BS 360's in past years but it's compleatly gone from me now. ARRRRRRGH! I'm gona have to move on to something else for a while.

ontrider · Ladies Man Joined: 30 Jul 2003 Posts: 16491 City: Russia

Personally I would rather go for the whirly, but if your blind landings are really strong go for the tanny to blind.

Yes, 360s are a pain... I love when I do one totally perfect, except as i ride away the handle snaps out of my hands.... so i drift until i sink Sad

bradb · Outlaw Joined: 09 Jan 2004 Posts: 204 City: Parksville

wake1ghuth,
If you are comfortable with bs 180s, bs3s should come pretty quickly. work on your bs 180s with a handle pass instead of landing them wrapped. Once you get that down solid, do the bs 180 nice and early off the wake, and after the handle pass, reach for the handle with your back arm. This will bring your hips and board around the rest of the way for the 3.
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wake1ghuth · Outlaw Joined: 03 Jul 2003 Posts: 177 City: Columbus

Thanks B...

I swear I'm doing all of that... I hate to say it but, I think it might be my board. I used to land BS 360's on my old board but ever since I switched to the '04 I can't hit it. Tonight I'm gona go back to my old board and see if I hit it.
I just know I'll probly stomp it on my first try and then resent my new board! Has anyone ells had trouble spinning the 04 byrely? I can't believe that EQ could have that much of an impact, but I can't get it figured out.

anyway the whirly seems like a prety smooth rotation... what was everyones bigest hang up while learning them?

Thomas P. · Addict Joined: 16 Feb 2003 Posts: 717

i had no trouble at all spinning on an 04 byerly. in fact, its the board i learnd to spin h/s and t/s o/a 5's on. it is a very up and down style board with some sick pop. this is key for spinning b/c of less line tension and smoother landings onthe down wake help you from poppin the handle.

getting the handle ahead of spin will avoid all whirly "hang-ups".

holdsworth · Posted: Jun 23, 2005 2:34 pm Post subject:

tantrum 2 fakies are pretty easy for me. with a FS 3, try to start up, edge heelside on the start up wake (from in to out) and throw the 3.

K-wood Kid · Posted: Jun 23, 2005 3:21 pm Post subject:

Tantrum to Fakie isn't very easy at all. Now you would think its pretty simple but truthfully you have to land over your toes or you slide back onto your @ss which makes it pretty difficult. If you do ts backrolls you could try a wrapped ts roll2blind like some of the girls on the PWT.

wakeboarder_360 · Posted: Jun 27, 2005 7:55 am Post subject:

Tantrum to fakie is way easier than tantrum to blind in my opinion. I would go with a whirly but keep tryin your 3's. With the whirly cut in mellow so the handle is easy to get over the head, some people have the misconception you need to cut really hard and go big. Also make sure you do the tantrum first then when you know how high you are you set the speed of the ole 3.

colefooter · Posted: Jun 27, 2005 11:33 am Post subject:

What all do you have ts? Don't want to leave that out.

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

you guys need to work on your spins man. going for a whirly but can't land a 3? If you think the board is the problem you're initiating the spin too early. Wait until you're at the peak of your jump before you start spinning. If you try to spin off the wake you'll go off axis every time.

Practice your handle passes on the ground or on a tramp.

wakeboarder_360 · Posted: Jun 28, 2005 5:00 am Post subject:

Wakebrad, you can land a whirly without having a 360. I can only 360 fs and have whirlys consistant. But it is important to try and balance hs and ts as well as atleast try 3's. Try a ts fs 3, scarecrow, or ts backroll.

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

wakeboarder_360, I know it can be done. It just means you are a lop-sided rider. It's like being able to do raleys and tantrums on your hs and can't jump on your toeside. You have to balance your inverts with spins just like you have to balance your switch riding and toeside.

amuszyns · Newbie Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Posts: 46 City: Phx

eh, I say go with whatever style of riding is most fun for you...unless you're trying to compete, then you need to be balanced.

wake1ghuth · Outlaw Joined: 03 Jul 2003 Posts: 177 City: Columbus

I'll never compete, but I do try to keep it pretty even. Wakebrad, is right I'm just tired of failure... I'd like to move on and then come back a little later. I'll be heading out tonight and tomorrow with my old Byerly set up, we'll see how it goes????

pointblank12 · Soul Rider Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 313

wake1ghuth, what is your problem on your 3's? maybe we can help? is it the handle pass, or what?

wake1ghuth · Outlaw Joined: 03 Jul 2003 Posts: 177 City: Columbus

I think I may be rushing the spin... not spinning too early but spinning too fast???? I get the handle pass every time but when I land.... I don't know... everything just seems out of control??? I don't know what to focus on near the end of the trick. I think I'm over rotating???? You know how on tantrums you come down looking right at the wake with the nose of your board pointing more towards the boat than out into the flats. That seems to be the position I’m in every time I come down from a 360, and from there I just kinda hit hard on my heals and fall away from the wake landing on my butt. This is a BS 360 by the way. I can't seem to slow my rotation. If you have any mental tips for this I would be glad to hear em....??? Thanks for the help all! Embarassed

pointblank12 · Soul Rider Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 313

try doing frontside 3's. i think they're easier. dont focus on spinning at all, just jump and if its a good jump throw the handle pass and just turn your head the way your gonna spin. but dont think about the spin. it will come with the pull of the boat, after initiating the pass. on the landing, ur just gona have to lean forward a little more. and bend those knees. this is how i throw my 3's

als132 · Soul Rider Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 462 City: shoreline

yah dude, your gonna have to learn spins because if you can spin, your radder than most other people. its just sad to see really good people that can do sick tricks, but cant spin, or have ugly spins. learn it. as far as tantrum-blind or whirly, i'd say whirly. tantrum blinds are pretty hard, ive been working on them and their kilin me. with the whirly, you can use the whip of the ole to spin you, with the tantrum to blind you have nothing so you just gotta be strong and keep the handle in at your waist.

AndyAndy · Addict Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 660 City: cutchogue

ive only been riding for 2 years and maybe im just weird, but i started doing spins before inverts, i landed my first 3 a month after i started and even now am inconsistent with them but can at least land one per session, but for some reason i cant figure out back rolls, i can do scarecrows tantrums and 3's but i cant do a backroll

AndyAndy · Addict Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 660 City: cutchogue

ive only been riding for 2 years and maybe im just weird, but i started doing spins before inverts, i landed my first 3 a month after i started and even now am inconsistent with them but can at least land one per session, but for some reason i cant figure out back rolls, i can do scarecrows tantrums and 3's but i cant do a backroll

bhamglassman · Soul Rider Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 338 City: Bellingham

wake1ghuth, maybe youre trying to learn them to big. do them 1-wake instead of wake to wake and i think theyre way easy. especially if you're overrotating. i just got my w2w 3's consistent but i learned them 1-wake first.

Evacool · Newbie Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 21

Cut in like a regular w2w jump, at the peak of your jump pull to your back hip (experiment how hard you need to) and you'll start spinning, if you bend your knees while attempting the spin it will throw you off balance. Once you get the initial spin down ork on the handle pass and spot your landing. It will take a while.